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Brazil has an estimated population of 206 million according to the census. About 48 million people with an STD. That's almost 25% of the population. I know you like statistics Lira and it doesn't look any better here in the U.S. Brazilian women are gorgeous curvey women in general, but every rose has it's thorn.

Well people just shouldn't have sex if they need to get off. They're what's supporting STDs. In fact they should probably just die for not choosing partners who have undergone rigorous testing.

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Originally posted by Dj Skez Brazil has an estimated population of 206 million according to the census. About 48 million people with an STD. That's almost 25% of the population. I know you like statistics Lira and it doesn't look any better here in the U.S. Brazilian women are gorgeous curvey women in general, but every rose has it's thorn.

Well, yeah, I guess the challenge lies in remaining in the 75%

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Well people just shouldn't have sex if they need to get off. They're what's supporting STDs. In fact they should probably just die for not choosing partners who have undergone rigorous testing.

Come on, Hal, you know that's neither my argument nor a consequence of what I'm saying

You're right, it wasn't fair, but nothing is right until you start pointing the fingers solely at people who kill others. It doesn't matter what the reason is. To compartmentalize the issue of murder is to undermine everyone's individual participation in each derivative instance, and thus to devalue individualization, itself.

I voted for Marijuana legalization and I won! (Okay, so I had some help)

How many Mexicans have you saved this year?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Companies like Nestle, Apple, and Coca Cola peddle their products and the violent enforcement of slave labour to optimize their profit margins.

Well said. My brother works as a salesman "brand ambassador" for Coca-Cola, the perks he gets are nice. Including a 2012 Nissan Maxima paid for by the Corporation including insurance payments and gas with an Amex account. He also makes about as much as I do even though I work more hours. People can rant all they want about these big Corporations but at the end of the day they mean too much to the economy to stop them.

Also, DJ Skez, if something tarnishes Coca-Cola's image, they're quick to repair in order to make sure they don't see their profits plummet. Ziptnf can tell us quite a lot about the suspicion there was about Coca-Cola being involved in the murders of Colombian villagers a while back, and how Coca-Cola actually took several measures to prevent being involved in these assassinations in the first place.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I voted for Marijuana legalization and I won! (Okay, so I had some help)

And I think that's awesome!

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On How many Mexicans have you saved this year?

I saved a Spaniard, does that count?

There's no denying their crooked ways. Did you know that Coca Cola is still the top selling drink and Diet Coke is now #2, they just bumped Pepsi to #3 according to U.S. sales ending in 2011. If only the sheeps we call consumers knew of the long term effects of soda in the human body.

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Originally posted by Lira Also, DJ Skez, if something tarnishes Coca-Cola's image, they're quick to repair in order to make sure they don't see their profits plummet. Ziptnf can tell us quite a lot about the suspicion there was about Coca-Cola being involved in the murders of Colombian villagers a while back, and how Coca-Cola actually took several measures to prevent being involved in these assassinations in the first place.

Or about washing their hands clean after the fact when the local Union was organizing for a $0.05 raise for every worker?

I went up to my shoe sales man and said where do you get your nikes. he replied china. I said good day to you sir. he said the second pair are half off. I hung back up my jacket

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Originally posted by Vector A I dunno, throwing up one's hands and just not bothering with any moral battles at all (since fighting all of them effectively would be impossible) strikes me as even worse than addressing one or two of them selectively.

The point is more that any person living in first world society inevitably has blood indirectly on their hands, and the moral battles people choose to fight are generally decided by what comfortably fits with their lifestyle. Which is not so much an invitation to carte blanche ignore moral battles, but rather a good reason not to be so high and fucking mighty when other people don't pick the same ones.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The point is more that any person living in first world society inevitably has blood indirectly on their hands, and the moral battles people choose to fight are generally decided by what comfortably fits with their lifestyle. Which is not so much an invitation to carte blanche ignore moral battles, but rather a good reason not to be so high and fucking mighty when other people don't pick the same ones.

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Originally posted by Lira No, I don't feel either dignified or righteous. I feel fucking afraid because I'm here where we have to deal with all the violence produced by these groups.

Also, I'm surprised by how most of you seem to ignore some of the key points and keep addressing arguments I've ever made because you feel insulted. It was going all fine and dandy until page 1, when I believe people just started reading the title and didn't bother with the details. That's the only explanation I can find for tackling arguments I never made.

This is what I'm saying:

• For the millionth time, I'm not telling people to quit using drugs, I'm just telling you to boycott drugs from developing countries;
  
• This is, in short, a plea for the legalisation of drugs in your countries, as you've got the infrastructure to deal with this problem;
  
• There are organisations that control/supervise the commerce of legal products/substances, and they can act as whistle-blowers. No such mechanism exists with drugs - everything happens in the dark because of its illegal status;
  
• There are whole armies funded by drug trafficking, so powerful that they often outgun our police forces (as rdevito mentioned in the other thread). I've yet to see a Coca-cola armie, an iron mining gang, or a criminal Adidas syndicate.

You know what? I'm on Team Lira now. I think I always was. To elaborate:

-To stop crime, we must stop doing criminal things. We Must also outlaw crime and murder. which leads me to:

-It is our responsibility as developed nations to immediately legislate those things that indirectly affect the goings on of neighbouring nations. After all, change starts at home. Just, you know, not your home. It's as easy as voting 1-2-3. Call now.

-Read the labels on your drugs, people. If they say 'Made in Mexico' or 'Made in Colombia' on the wrapper (drugs come in wrappers, right????), promptly turn about-face from the Burger King parking lot you arranged to meet your dealer at, and hope they don't shoot you for wasting their fucking time. Because the drug trade is the same as brutal violence. It has nothing to do with expansive crime syndicates in the first place. Nope. Hey, look, BK chicken fries in the adjacent parking spot- score!

-Corporations do not commit violence and have security forces to enforce their business in countries foreign to your own. This didn't need to be said, as it's self-evident that transparency is multinational business' motto. One might even say their reputations depend on it.

-Boycotting has a profound effect on black market trade and the safety of others. Because because.

rofl

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On -To stop crime, we must stop doing criminal things. We Must also outlaw crime and murder.

Now, this bit is pretty obvious, innit?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On -It is our responsibility as developed nations to immediately legislate those things that indirectly affect the goings on of neighbouring nations. After all, change starts at home. Just, you know, not your home.

My discourse is not any different for people here either. I'm as much a supporter of legalisation here as I'm a supporter of legalisation abroad.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On -Read the labels on your drugs, people. If they say 'Made in Mexico' or 'Made in Colombia' on the wrapper (drugs come in wrappers, right????), promptly turn about-face from the Burger King parking lot you arranged to meet your dealer at, and hope they don't shoot you for wasting their fucking time. Because the drug trade is the same as brutal violence. It has nothing to do with expansive crime syndicates in the first place. Nope. Hey, look, BK chicken fries in the adjacent parking spot- score!

I never said drug trade equals brutal violence, otherwise I would be against drug use altogether.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On -Corporations do not commit violence and have security forces to enforce their business in countries foreign to your own. This didn't need to be said, as it's self-evident that transparency is multinational business' motto. One might even say their reputations depend on it.

When was the last time you saw a big corporation committing terrorist acts repeatedly ravaging a whole country or a corporation threatening the security of a large metropolis in such a dramatic way the armed forces had to be deployed?

I'm not saying big corporations are the capitalist equivalent of UNESCO. However, they're much easier to deal with than criminals in general.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On -Boycotting has a profound effect on black market trade and the safety of others. Because because.

Because this is their main source of profit.

Come on, mate, it sounds like you're disagreeing with me just for the hell of it. You're attacking straw men, even though my position isn't nearly as extreme. I know you're smarter than this

Am I being punk'd or something? What the shit?

Wait, all right. Seriously now, what do you think I'm arguing for? We're clearly having some sort of misunderstanding here.

Living in Europe I doubt drugs I use come from mexico. I grow my own drugs.

You're espousing that people ought to not buy drugs that originated from South America.

But...

1. Nobody knows where their drugs come from. Nobody asks, because frankly, nobody fucking wants to know. In fact, the very notion of knowing their origin is why most everyone questions what you really know about the matter and thinks your proposition is extremely naive.

Can you imagine asking? Do it. Pretend you're buying cocaine from someone who is not your friend. What would you say? I really want to hear this.

2. Even if someone personally abstained from purchasing a substance because they think it will cut down on crime (haaa), what happens? The product goes away, right? The demand dissipates because of your personal objections. Everyone stops buying and selling because some cop got beheaded 10,000 miles away. Drug dealers just throw that shit away. You're a fucking cartoon if you believe this.

Drugs aren't like grocery store milk. There are no 'unsold drugs'. There are only drugs that someone hasn't paid to use yet.

3. Abstinence is not an effective deterrent for human behaviour. Abstinence is not an effective deterrent for human behaviour. Abstinence is not an effective deterrent for human behaviour. Abstinence is not an effective deterrent for human behaviour. Abstinence is not an effective deterrent for human behaviour.

4. Decriminalization of substances is the only way to change anything. I know we both agree on this, but this does not happen overnight, or even overdecade. Blaming people who purchase drugs (and nobody buys drugs FROM cartels, yo) *is* shaming them for their behaviour, so you're going to have to accept that people accuse you right back for being anti-drug and anti-user. I know you think that you save face by saying that you have no problem with people who only buy locally grown/manufactured or something, but that's simply not the climate that an overwhelming majority of illegal drug users can brook, casual or otherwise. For starters, the current penalties greatly delineate between recreational users and intentional distributors. If you get caught making drugs, you are absolutely fucked. Fucked to the point where you could probably stomach the loss of some brown people you never knew in the first place rather than rot in prison, yourself. It's not a difficult decision for people to make.

5. Don't go chasing waterfalls, please stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to.

As far as i agree with Lira, i think the problem is much deeper than just people buying drugs. The problem lies on a very basic and at the same time, the most important value of a nation: Education. There are thousands of hundreds stories like this here in Brazil:

Poor boy, living in some favela, don't have a good education because he can't pay for a private school and his only alternative are the public schools. Public schools here in Brazil are -most of them- utterly shit, without any kind of basic structure. Therefore, the kid won't have a chance of a good job. Wich means he will be poor for the rest of his life. One day, the poor kid looking for a job starts to see one of his friends with a new watch and new shoes, so he asks: "Whoa, dude! Pretty cool! Where did you get these Nike shoes?", his friend: "I'm one the avi�ozinhos (like a messenger) of the traffic boss here! He is treating me very well! He told me he needs another avi�ozinho. Could be you, if you want. He will also give me a gun and teach me how to shoot! How about that, hun?"

And there you go, another good guy lost to the traffic because he simply has no chance to succeed in life. Another criminal, murderer, drug dealer was born. Like every single day, just because our politicians are fucking corrupts assholes and don't invest in Education.

Crap education + corrupted politicians + people buying drugs = uncontrollable situation.

I believe the same thing is happening in Mexico, El Salvador, Honduras, Colombia, Guatemala.....there's no education, politicians don't give a crap, no quality of life, you have no alternatives...Now you will say: "Of course there's another alternative: sports!". Again, you will end at the Education problem. Sports must be introduced in schools, specially public schools. Well, already told you how public schools are.

Education is the only solution. Thanks for reading.

My friend used to get ounces of coke that were broken right off the brick that you could see the Peruvian seal stamped on.

That's the one.

this is sharing similar territory as porn and prostitution. Except asking an addict to stop taking drugs is rather funny. Of all the reasons to get clean, pretty sure that isn't going to be the one.

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