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Seriously, and that's why their list also includes a list of free, online podcasts... right?

That quote is referring to the unmixed artist compilations, not mix CDs.

I don't know, I feel like there's some truth in their statement. In the re-issue fever of the last few years there's really been a surge of compilations that compile old/forgotten/rare material.

That said, the traditional mixed CD is as dead as ever. I wasn't really amazed by any of those this year, with Zip's fabric entry probably being the most interesting.

ahhhh, ok.

It's absolute horseshit. Go back to the first half of the '90s and compilations were probably the most important medium for dance music outside the 12" single, in the days before commercial DJ mixes became common and when dance music LPs were still a novelty. You could not name a compilation released in the last half decade that has been nearly as important as Articial Intelligence, Caf� Del Mar or Logical Progression.

It says over the past few years, so their point of reference obviously is the mid 2000's and not the early 90's.

I still dispute that suggestion. Clicks And Cuts? Pop Ambient? Box Of Dub?

RA lives in some alternative universe in which dance music only existed from 87-90 and from 2005- present. Its as if anything that happened in the 90s isnt important or can be ignored.

trance is ignored but i don't blame them , trance is white RA is black.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos trance is ignored but i don't blame them , trance is white RA is black.

they have their heads up Richie Hawtins ass, no one is more white than Richie or the minimal movement in general. And its just not trance, the entire progressive movement is ignored from the 90s. So is all the techno that was produced then. You notice the trance being ignored because its probably what most people associate with 90s dance music most strongly but the fact remains that a techno track released today sounds radically different than one released in 89 and the biggest reason is because of the stuff numerous artists in different genres did in the 90s until now. The entire electronic movement has occurred through numerous contributions by numerous artists over the years and ignoring an entire decades worth of that contribution to somehow draw a straight line from today to Detroit and Chicago for some hipster retro cool vibe is nothing but selective amnesia at best and downright fraud at worst. RA reminds me of rolling stone magazine who continually somehow tries and ignore the fact that Pink Floyd actually occurred, and they somehow even do this while reviewing a radiohead album which is a near impossible feat.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos trance is ignored but i don't blame them , trance is white RA is black.

Totally man. j00F and shit. No love.

thats something i don't understand, i agree trance may bee too comercial vomitive and as you say it may remember the 90s eurodance cheese but Richie Hawtin should be too commercial too. I like his sets but for sure there are more talented djs. As a producer he sucks in my opinion. Spastik is inmensely overrated and only the poison pro remix stands, credits for him because maybe in 1993 when i think it was released was amazing. The few tunes he releases now are crap... in such a hipster ambience it should be neglected but no, it's not the case.

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Originally posted by paulversuspaul RA lives in some alternative universe in which dance music only existed from 87-90 and from 2005- present. Its as if anything that happened in the 90s isnt important or can be ignored.

Gotta give 'em credit for keeping all their pre-2005 reviews up. Including all the cracker-trance releases. Heck they even have trance reviews for 2005!

I'm actually surprised their forum doesn't call them out on it more often.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos trance is ignored but i don't blame them , trance is white RA is black.

It's taken me 5 minutes to try to formulate a response detailing how stupid this statement is, and this is the best I've been able to come up with.

Please, stop acting like you've been around, and stop acting like you know.

don't be faking the funk son.

calling AVANAVANA

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Originally posted by Sykonee Gotta give 'em credit for keeping all their pre-2005 reviews up. Including all the cracker-trance releases. Heck they even have trance reviews for 2005! I'm actually surprised their forum doesn't call them out on it more often.

I know. The best is whoever reviewed Reflections gave it 4.5 stars and the review seemed to imply it was perhaps PVDs best album

Now i like reflections and think it has a couple of really great tracks but any review talking about the greatness of time of our lives is beyond foolish and this is coming from me who is as big of a sane pvd fanboy as anyone.

Reflections review

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Originally posted by paulversuspaul I know. The best is whoever reviewed Reflections gave it 4.5 stars and the review seemed to imply it was perhaps PVDs best album Now i like reflections and think it has a couple of really great tracks but any review talking about the greatness of time of our lives is beyond foolish and this is coming from me who is as big of a sane pvd fanboy as anyone. Reflections review

Holy cow, 1,600+ words. Who does that for trance reviews?

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Originally posted by paulversuspaul They have their heads up Richie Hawtins ass, no one is more white than Richie or the minimal movement in general. And its just not trance, the entire progressive movement is ignored from the 90s. So is all the techno that was produced then. You notice the trance being ignored because its probably what most people associate with 90s dance music most strongly but the fact remains that a techno track released today sounds radically different than one released in 89 and the biggest reason is because of the stuff numerous artists in different genres did in the 90s until now. The entire electronic movement has occurred through numerous contributions by numerous artists over the years and ignoring an entire decades worth of that contribution to somehow draw a straight line from today to Detroit and Chicago for some hipster retro cool vibe is nothing but selective amnesia at best and downright fraud at worst. RA reminds me of rolling stone magazine who continually somehow tries and ignore the fact that Pink Floyd actually occurred, and they somehow even do this while reviewing a radiohead album which is a near impossible feat.

I'm not sure how often you read RA, but your perception of it is waaayyy off. They have the biggest hard-on for 90's techno & house, suggesting they ignore the 90's is simply ludicrous.

Also, Hawtin isn't even cool anymore, infact he's kind of been shunned in the past few years because he's stuck with this mnml plong stuff after everyone else jumped ship. I've had this weird revelation with the last Villalobos record, minimal has been so dead and shunned for the past few years that it's almost sort of getting interesting again because only a few people are still doing it. At least when it's done right - I'm talking about Villalobos or the Romanians here, Hawtin's plong stuff still is dreadfully boring.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos As a producer he sucks in my opinion. Spastik is inmensely overrated and only the poison pro remix stands, credits for him because maybe in 1993 when i think it was released was amazing.

What the fucking fuck are you talking about, you have literally have absolutely no fucking clue what you are talking about. Have you even listened to 1/10th of his discography? Plastikman is one of the most influential techno projects of all time and while some of it hasn't aged so well, a huge amount of it still stands up today. Even if you think it sucks by todays standards (it doesn't), he has secured his place in the electronic music hall of fame just by historica significance. And let's not forgot stuff like FUSE, which is just flat out a masterpiece, period.

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Originally posted by enydo calling AVANAVANA

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Originally posted by Woony What the fucking fuck are you talking about, you have literally have absolutely no fucking clue what you are talking about. Have you even listened to 1/10th of his discography? Plastikman is one of the most influential techno projects of all time and while some of it hasn't aged so well, a huge amount of it still stands up today. Even if you think it sucks by todays standards (it doesn't), he has secured his place in the electronic music hall of fame just by historica significance. And let's not forgot stuff like FUSE, which is just flat out a masterpiece, period.

i am not going to discuss, he owes the fame to something obviously and i haven't listened to his full discography, i was referring to his latest stuff though, released under Richie Hawtin alias.

However i don't really like nor his early trancey stuff nor the fuse stuff (i quite like it, considering it was produced around 20 years ago i'd say it's brilliant objectivelly)

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Originally posted by Woony the Romanians here,

Saw Raresh spin live a few years ago. Got to speak with him as well, one of the nicest guys ever.

The list is so F*cking prectictable. Im so F*cking tired of these tiresome techno dj's getting top spots for no apparent reason year in, year out. Techno as a whole is wholly exaggerated to the spilling point.

Same old same old...

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Originally posted by dj christian The list is so F*cking prectictable. Im so F*cking tired of these tiresome techno dj's getting top spots for no apparent reason year in, year out. Techno as a whole is wholly exaggerated to the spilling point. Same old same old...

The list is confined to the RA realm so I'm not surprised by any of the results. Step back and look at what RA represents:

The Hipster.

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Originally posted by Chimney Saw Raresh spin live a few years ago. Got to speak with him as well, one of the nicest guys ever.

I'd kill for a re-issue or digital release of all the Arpiar stuff and shit. There's also the Understand label which launched last year and their shit is already impossible to get.

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Originally posted by dj christian The list is so F*cking prectictable. Im so F*cking tired of these tiresome techno dj's getting top spots for no apparent reason year in, year out. Techno as a whole is wholly exaggerated to the spilling point. Same old same old...

There's like 3 pure techno DJs in the top 20. What the hell is your point?

And Mark, your taste is exactly the same as these hipsters, you're just 6 months late on everything

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