WTF National Security Agency records all of the phone records of Verizon customers

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Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Jun-12-2013 15:12:

Can someone please IP ban Alfi already?

Posted by Redd on Jun-12-2013 15:17:

zgoogle = alfi?

alfi aint that bad is he?

Posted by enydo on Jun-12-2013 15:20:

After reading more about this whole thing, I think the people that are still insanely pissed are just the people who don't understand technology.

The government is not "wiretapping" you. They are not listening in on anything. They simply ask the companies who host and house all this data to hand it over, and they comply.

This has been the case in telecommunications, at least, for a long time now.

Posted by srussell0018 on Jun-12-2013 15:20:

Alfi sends people PMs with details about how he is going to murder them. He might think it's "trolling" but really it's just psychotic behavior.

Posted by zGoogleman on Jun-12-2013 16:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Can someone please IP ban Alfi already?

Fuck you, I put up a lot from you. So just cause I want to see some justice in the world makes me a bad person? Fuck you. Seriously fuck you you good for nothing child-killer.

Posted by srussell0018 on Jun-12-2013 16:04:

Alfi must be off his meds again.

Posted by Redd on Jun-12-2013 16:22:

child killer? whats going on?

Posted by Spacey Orange on Jun-12-2013 18:30:

Can someone please tell the ACLU and the Electronic Frontier Foundation to withdraw their lawsuits because tranceaddict gumshoes have discovered no illegality.

Posted by srussell0018 on Jun-12-2013 18:33:

Oh the ACLU, because they never cry about things that don't infringe on civil liberties at all. How do you not grasp the concept that everything you do on your phone, on your computer, etc. is stored somewhere. That is NOT your property, it belongs to your ISP or your cell phone provider. With a subpoena, ANY law enforcement agency, not just "the administration" can access that information.

Jesus fuck how is this so incredibly difficult for people to understand. Seriously, just read an article about what's ACTUALLY happening here. The information was obtained by COURT ORDER. There's no fucking secret NSA operation to listen in on all of your phone calls. In fact, the NSA didn't even gather the information, it was fucking given to them by Verizon, Google, etc.

Posted by Spacey Orange on Jun-12-2013 18:50:

Why can't people read? One issue is the granting of general warrants which the fourth amendment proscribes. Check.

Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Jun-12-2013 18:54:

http://rt.com/usa/no-cell-privacy-expectation-399/

2006!

http://yahoo.usatoday.com/news/wash...nsa_x.htm?csp=1

Posted by idoru on Jun-12-2013 18:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Spacey Orange
Why can't people read? One issue is the granting of general warrants which the fourth amendment proscribes. Check.

quote:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The ToS on most of the websites involved in this issue all basically say that, by signing up, anything you do on their website is their property. Facebook owns your status updates, your messages, your photos, and so on and so forth. Anything they request in the warrant is not your property. You have no say in the matter. Not only that, but if you did your research, you'd know that the warrants you're talking about aren't necessarily unconstitutional.

Granted, data laws need to be reassessed to "keep up with the times", but those warrants are still OK by law.

Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Jun-12-2013 18:57:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
Granted, data laws need to be reassessed

This is exactly what people need to be fuming mad over.

Posted by idoru on Jun-12-2013 18:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
This is exactly what people need to be fuming mad over.

Precisely.

Posted by enydo on Jun-12-2013 19:11:

READ

YOUR

TERMS

OF

AGREEMENT/SERVICE

You know, those big long things everyone just skips over? Yeah, you own NONE of that data. It is not yours.

Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Jun-12-2013 19:17:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/gu...-snowden,32785/

hahahahahaha

Posted by idoru on Jun-12-2013 19:20:

Posted by hardcore trancer on Jun-12-2013 19:21:

The Daily Show did a nice piece on NSA the other night:

Posted by srussell0018 on Jun-12-2013 19:32:

I hate that he is filling in for Jon Stewart. He's awful.

Posted by hardcore trancer on Jun-12-2013 20:04:

quote:
Originally posted by srussell0018
I hate that he is filling in for Jon Stewart. He's awful.

He is alright but no he is no Stewart.

Posted by enydo on Jun-12-2013 20:06:

He actually did way better than I thought he would. Enough to where I think he did fairly well.

Posted by srussell0018 on Jun-12-2013 20:12:

I can't stand that high pitched stupid British accent.

Posted by Lews on Jun-12-2013 20:15:

Yeah, but you hate everything British.

Posted by srussell0018 on Jun-12-2013 20:15:

That is not entirely inaccurate.

Posted by Spacey Orange on Jun-14-2013 22:46:

i read a couple of cases and have concluded that under current case law, the fourth amendment is not violated when police review the telephone numbers, duration, and frequency of inbound and outbound calls placed within and ending in the united states. i was wrong in my belief that it was. this aside, the reasoning used to permit this is rather dubious. moreover, just because police can legally do it, does it make good public policy? i think not

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