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Or ask colonel to come to your rescue, who didn't exactly give any definitive answers or refutation eigther other than "well, it could be these others things too" which is fine but it consitant with cognataive dissonace and fiding excuses to accomodate a preconceived notion and worldview.

Ok can i just point out that "consitant with cognataive dissonace and fiding excuses to accomodate a preconceived notion and worldview" is essentially what every counter theory behind the collapse has been about. They are all based on the preconceived notion that it couldn't have fallen due to the plane impact alone because it seemed to fall at free fall speeds.


Now everyone pop a midol, sit back and get back to the realm of constructive debate, or else im going to recommend we take this to the COR so we can all act like arse holes.

As expected, your reponse is nothing more than an assertion of ludirous quantitative statements and entirely lack any qualitative. Congradulations, give yourself a pat yourself on the back, again, continue with your dellusional rant of obsenities (based on your assertions of "intellectual dishonesty"). An oversimplistic take and understanding has nothing to with "intellectual honesty" and is counter intuitive to your baseless value judgments. In my defense, I've acknowledged loosing my cool myself, so your emotive accusation isn't something I haven't acknowledged myself but to a fairer and milder degree. But it on issues regarding human suffereing and opression, not claims of getting upset regarding intellectual dishonesty, which isn't exactly believable. And now PKC will loose his mind once again. You're obsessed with this thread, and harrasing (not arguing) any one who isn't a believer of the pancake theory. It really speaks volumes about your internal conflicts and insecurities, just something you might want to consider... before you decide to reply with the Wrath of Odin, very uncharacteristic of a pothead, or someone who's subconscious is in harmony with their conscious mind.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp Ok can i just point out that "consitant with cognataive dissonace and fiding excuses to accomodate a preconceived notion and worldview" is essentially what every counter theory behind the collapse has been about. They are all based on the preconceived notion that it couldn't have fallen due to the plane impact alone because it seemed to fall at free fall speeds. Now everyone pop a midol, sit back and get back to the realm of constructive debate, or else im going to recommend we take this to the COR so we can all act like arse holes.

Just to let you know Colonel, I appriciate your civility once again. We were debating the subject in the past, unfortunately I lost interst a long time ago for reasons already metnioned and others. I'd have to do a fair bit of research and studying to discuss finer details with knowledge you take for granted by virtue of your major. Frankly, I've lost all motivation to undertake something like, especially that just for the sake of discussion.

absolutely elements within the US government had somethign to do with it. What it is, I dont know, but who stands to gain more from it. 911 is one large distraction away from the horror created in its aftermath. The troofers are doing what the JFK'ers did before them. Run around in circles of speculation while the real bad guys "gets away with it".

The planners i belive are not the US government itself, nor are they in a cave somewhere. They are the guys who have the money for world conflicts, and who gains from them no matter who wins or looses.

banksters!

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Originally posted by celestial thug absolutely elements within the US government had somethign to do with it. What it is, I dont know, but who stands to gain more from it. 911 is one large distraction away from the horror created in its aftermath. The troofers are doing what the JFK'ers did before them. Run around in circles of speculation while the real bad guys "gets away with it". The planners i belive are not in the US government, nor in a cave somewhere. They are the guys who have the money for world conflicts, and who gains from them no matter who wins or looses. banksters!

Yup, the ones who've always loaned money to goverments during warfare. And their's is the only state to politically gain from the aftermath, another thing that goes ignored. Although it cannot be accomplished with out internal cooperation, hence the inside job element.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z As expected, your reponse is nothing more than an assertion of ludirous quantitative statements and entirely lack any qualitative. Congradulations, give yourself a pat yourself on the back, again, continue with your dellusional rant of obsenities (based on your assertions of "intellectual dishonesty"). An oversimplistic take and understanding has nothing to with "intellectual honesty" and is counter intuitive to your baseless value judgments. In my defense, I've acknowledged loosing my cool myself, so your emotive accusation isn't something I haven't acknowledged myself but to a fairer and milder degree. But it on issues regarding human suffereing and opression, not claims of getting upset regarding intellectual dishonesty, which isn't exactly believable. And now PKC will loose his mind once again. You're obsessed with this thread, and harrasing (not arguing) any one who isn't a believer of the pancake theory. It really speaks volumes about your internal conflicts and insecurities, just something you might want to consider... before you decide to reply with the Wrath of Odin, very uncharacteristic of a pothead, or someone who's subconscious is in harmony with their conscious mind.

This is a sign that i spend too much time on construction sites..... rarely do i ever get in arguments with construction superintendants or workers that contains any less than 7 vulgar expressions per sentance. I can picture you two lined up in some old castle hall dressed in wizard hats holding old leather bound dictionaries like spell books, throwing big words back at each other. i find it mildly amusing

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp This is a sign that i spend too much time on construction sites..... rarely do i ever get in arguments with construction superintendants or workers that contains any less than 7 vulgar expressions per sentance. I can picture you two lined up in some old castle hall dressed in wizard hats holding old leather bound dictionaries like spell books, throwing big words back at each other. i find it mildly amusing

LOL

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z As expected, your reponse is nothing more than an assertion of ludirous quantitative statements and entirely lack any qualitative. Congradulations, give yourself a pat yourself on the back, again, continue with your dellusional rant of obsenities (based on your assertions of "intellectual dishonesty"). An oversimplistic take and understanding has nothing to with "intellectual honesty" and is counter intuitive to your baseless value judgments. In my defense, I've acknowledged loosing my cool myself, so your emotive accusation isn't something I haven't acknowledged myself but to a fairer and milder degree. But it on issues regarding human suffereing and opression, not claims of getting upset regarding intellectual dishonesty, which isn't exactly believable. And now PKC will loose his mind once again. You're obsessed with this thread, and harrasing (not arguing) any one who isn't a believer of the pancake theory. It really speaks volumes about your internal conflicts and insecurities, just something you might want to consider... before you decide to reply with the Wrath of Odin, very uncharacteristic of a pothead, or someone who's subconscious is in harmony with their conscious mind.

what did you expect shaolin? your words are nothing but a thinly-veiled attack. the difference between you and me is that i know when im being an ass, whereas you seem to be blissfully unaware. the hypocrisy is incredible.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what did you expect shaolin? your words are nothing but a thinly-veiled attack. the difference between you and me is that i know when im being an ass, whereas you seem to be blissfully unaware. the hypocrisy is incredible.

My outbust generally stem from the sickning double standards, warantless attacks I don't initiate (with some exceptions, which related to my point about double standards) and disregard for elementary morality and ethics, and usually with members who I care not to single out, but it's not you or any of the 9-11 participants that drive me to that extreme. So although I should be more restrained and in control, I don't feel like I'm entirely being an ass, just being thoroughly repulsed. Although I probably am an ass at times, and I generally apologize (I think). And I guess there's a fine line between being having a strong resolve combined with intelligence and arrogance, so you probably have a point on that note. So I acknowledge your legitimate criticisms, do you feel like anyone else has any to offer regarding yourself? You have to admit I'm at least correct about you being the most furious pothead ever .

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp

That's actually really neat! I want one of those now... for my dork decore collection, even though I never was in to AD&D / D&D lol .

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z My outbust generally stem from the sickning double standards, warantless attacks I don't initiate (with some exceptions, which related to my point about double standards) and disregard for elementary morality and ethics, and usually with members who I care not to single out, but it's not you or any of the 9-11 participants that drive me to that extreme. So although I should be more restrained and in control, I don't feel like I'm entirely being an ass, just being thoroughly repulsed. Although I probably am an ass at times, and I generally apologize (I think). And I guess there's a fine line between being having a strong resolve combined with intelligence and arrogance, so you probably have a point on that note. So I acknowledge your legitimate criticisms, do you feel like anyone else has any to offer regarding yourself? You have to admit I'm at least correct about you being the most furious pothead ever .

haha, yeah i think my potheadedness probably has something to do with that. My sister (2 years away from graduating in med) keeps telling me to stop.

i know im quick to fire, most notably in this thread. what can i say, im a bad person? id like to see how many of my less than endearing posts occur at work, and how many at home. i'll wager the former has a lot more! fvck i need to win lotto :/

Haha, weed brings everyone together!!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN haha, yeah i think my potheadedness probably has something to do with that. My sister (2 years away from graduating in med) keeps telling me to stop. i know im quick to fire, most notably in this thread. what can i say, im a bad person? id like to see how many of my less than endearing posts occur at work, and how many at home. i'll wager the former has a lot more! fvck i need to win lotto :/

LOL, probably has a bit to do with posting from work too... I know how that is... your minds internal dialouge "fuck this place!" .... generally translates in to "fuck this forum!" when you're posting

What do you PKC? My work server has a firewall blocking all "Entertainment" sites.

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Originally posted by Krypton What do you PKC? My work server has a firewall blocking all "Entertainment" sites.

mine blocks some things.... butnot my black berry lol. I have made some lengthy TA posts from my crack berry during client meetings (i dont even know why we have them to be honest, its not like they understand anything i do anyways.....)

Debunking Popular Mechanics?: PM Book Alleges FAA Source For Statistical Data; FAA Concedes No Such Data Records Exist.


Beginning on page 22 of a Popular Mechanics 2006 book entitled Debunking 9/11 Myths, containing a forward comment by Republican presidential candidate John McCain, an attempt is made to clarify the role played by potential military aircraft intercepts during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

Citing unnamed sources, part of this section reads as follows:

When contacted by Popular Mechanics, spokesmen for NORAD and the FAA clarified their remarks by noting that scrambles were routine, but intercepts were not - especially over the continental United States.

However, according to a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Freedom of Information Act response dated March 3, 2008, the FAA concedes that records for the information alleged in part by Popular Mechanics' unnamed FAA source, do not exist.

It never ceases to amaze me what you think is important in this debate while giving the truthers a completely free ride when it comes to the poor use of "evidence". How bout you spend your time looking at david griffin?

What I posted has nothing to do with truthers, it merely shows that someone is making shit up and lying flat out to the public when being called out on their findings. My bet is placed on Popular Mechanics simply because they seem to be trying way too hard on proving to everyone that the official story is legit.

What amazes me is that you are still trying to convince yourself otherwise when very simple straight forward facts about 9/11 are presented right in front of your eyes but you continue to bicker like a 12 year old.

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Originally posted by culorut What I posted has nothing to do with truthers, it merely shows that someone is making shit up and lying flat out to the public when being called out on their findings. My bet is placed on Popular Mechanics simply because they seem to be trying way too hard on proving to everyone that the official story is legit.

see, that's where you're wrong. just because the FAA don't keep official records as requested by an FOA application doesn't mean popular mechanics didn't speak to someone at the FAA that provided them with the information they published.

i cant tell you how many people come to my office daily because we dont keep records, i could however give you a rough estimate.

the problem is that (again) you're trying to manipulate what this new piece of "evidence" actually means.

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Originally posted by culorut What amazes me is that you are still trying to convince yourself otherwise when very simple straight forward facts about 9/11 are presented right in front of your eyes but you continue to bicker like a 12 year old.

hahaha. "facts". these facts you present are almost always fallacious so i dont really see the reason why i should take them seriously. your problem is you don't have any experience (vocationally or academically) in actual research (i have, in both).

i bicker like a 12yo because that's all the troof movement deserves. your latest post is a case in point. you pick out one particular issue and then tell us all what it really means, when in fact the more likely scenario is the one ive just described. but no, you're too scared of the boogieman to notice.

its much the same with the other "facts" that you present concerning demolitions or the truly retarded no-plane theories.

the troof movement are the only ones that think these retarded ideas are "facts" so i am in the (great) rational majority when i dismiss them.

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the troof movement are the only ones that think these retarded ideas are "facts" so i am in the (great) rational majority when i dismiss them.

You seriously have problems, go see a shrink freak.

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Originally posted by culorut You seriously have problems, go see a shrink freak.

no, sorry. what i said was merely factual.

if these stupid ideas were being accepted by the community at large, where's your second investigation? where are the charges against the government? where is the international outrage?

get a clue.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN no, sorry. what i said was merely factual. if these stupid ideas were being accepted by the community at large, where's your second investigation? where are the charges against the government? where is the international outrage? get a clue.

61%>39%

Har Har, you lose bitch

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Originally posted by Spike 61%>39% Har Har, you lose bitch

yes, because tranceaddict internet polls are the pinnacle of representative opinion fuckhead.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yes, because tranceaddict internet polls are the pinnacle of representative opinion fuckhead.

your mom is the pinnacle of internet polls fuckhead lolloloneoneoneoneone11111!!!!1111 o,<

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