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Originally posted by ******** There is the theory that at some point thermite (which is cement (potentially somewhere in the building) the basement potentially ignited causing high heat on the stress columbs causing some to collapse from the bottom.. some say it may have been insurance that this devestating situation... which would cause problems but just come off as a highly successful terrorist attack on america.. could be made something more... A CAUSE.

the only people that still trott out the stupid thermite theory are those that have NFI about controlled demolitions. thermite is completely incapable of bringing down a building.

i would like to ask you why are their no reports of drilling? you know, because thermite needs to be in contact with the steel to do anything, and the core columns of the WTCs were encased in at least an inch of concrete.

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Originally posted by ******** ISI, CIA, MI6 and NATO COUNTRY intelligence communities were linked in some form or another.. the fact is ... if the airlineres were brought in then basically it was the actsof those who put the plane into the building not all the white collar managers out there... but by the person who pulled the trigger whether Mossad via remote control cameras (orjust to record it.. they new somehow it might happen to... maybe)

there has never been a controlled demolition triggered by remote. it is too inaccurate and unstable in what is a very precise environment (another reason why thermite simply could not have been used).

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Originally posted by ******** THERMITE IS THE CEMENT.. CEMENT IS USED IN THE FOUNDATION.. YOU DON'T NEED DRILLING SINCE THE SUPPORT GIRDERS ARE IN CONTACT WITH THE FOUNDATION. I COULD BE MISTAKEN AS I CAN'T SAY I KNOW HOW THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN FULL ONLY PARTS OF THIS.

im not sure what youre talking about, but thermite is an incendiary compound, not "cement". its simply not possible to do a clandestine controlled demolition, its too complicated and takes too much preparation and things like drilling to ensure explosives are at the right spot. oh, and from every report ive managed to find, YES, there is a requisite for drilling the concrete that reinforced the mimimal (internal) skeleton of the WTCs.

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Originally posted by ******** I wasn't stating the demolition was by remote -although that might be possible without issue the difficult for example do cell phones work within the WTC.. all thatis needed is a cell phone..

another fallacy. controlled demolitions are incredibly precise and need more than "a cellphone". read up on controlled demolitions if you dont believe me. that's the reason ALL controlled demolitions ever undertaken have used detonator wire/cord etc not remote controls.

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Originally posted by ******** bear in mind though this stuff was NOT just the WTC in whole the day ended with ranking pentagon officials stated DEAD. and a hole in the outer wall of the pentagon. There are many really is this so situation I don't know what happened I have my own beleif based upon my interactions and the course of the 24 hours preceding being woken up and told that a plane was headed toward the pentagon or something saying they'll shoot it down and going back to bed.. I had a really bad night punched a cement wall hard twice scraping my fist the night before in a blind furry of angst.. really 911 in many ways was a strange twist in my life, and because of the course of events of discussing things - discussions which involved planes being flown into buildings war etc... I consider my verion more probable.. there is lots of information... and in the big story of what is out there whether true or not...

um, ok?

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Originally posted by ******** Was that at the time the owner of the building was in a secure location meeting with an up and up or something... after the first planes hit... he was moved to a military site with many other highly influential Americans (likely because he is attached to COG operations... or something..

first off, the owners of the WTC buildings are the state of new york and new jersey, through an agency called the port authority of NY and NJ. The building was leased to a native new yorker who is filthy rich, larry silverstein. there is zero possibility he had anything to do with it or knew about it. he grew up in manhattan, went to school in the city, and knew many people in the building. i met the guy, he's very very patriotic.

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Originally posted by ******** Smoke less crack--- go to school and learn something. WTF BIA I havn't suggesteda clandestine operation that would be incriminating to a few good men. Your civilization is primitive and barbaric. Don't care - there are soundless drilling systes..although I havn't even suggested an intentional government sanctioned event if they did then it wouldn't matter you wonder why the toilets cost 20000$ and when they flush they don't make noise. Although a laser or otherwise there are lots of technicalities and I really am not in a position to comment on a government conspiracy. You come off as incredibly uneducated. How many more lines would you like for my FBI file? I've read about explosives as a kid growing up - I have this fantasy of having sex with Chelsea clinton while putting dynamite into whatever orafices I wasn't using .. in the oval office... while Barrack and Bill watched screaming RIDE ERR my natural response after the euhhh would be the only thing that can make this better is if I can press both red buttons at ONCE. Ok moron factor included I'll help you put the letters together q u o... t.... e. Dude it ain't hard your making it out to be something all big an mighty the only this is really hard to apply a few thousand degrees of heat to an area surface.. I support vibrational stress in the structure caused the cement (which is made of the same chemical ingredients as thermite) to vapourize and heat since the girders absorbed the structural stress it was like strickinga match the vibrational heat transfered to the foundation.. and was so immense that it allowed the heat level needed to ignite the thermite causing a chain reaction... when the heat from the thermite/cement came around it melted the girders. PS FBI I'm a good guy KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK GUYS AND GALS. I'M A LAW ABIDING PACIFIST WITH AN IRRESPONSIBLE SENSE OF HUMOUR. PLEASE DON'T ANAL PROBE ME. DON'T LET HOMELAND SECURITY HEAR THOSE WORDS EVERYTIME I'M DEPORTED TRYING TO CROSS THE BORDER LEGALLY TO ENTER LATIN AMERICA!!! um, ok?

im uneducated? who is the fool that can't string a proper, coherent sentence together?

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Originally posted by ******** Lets not do personal attacks cause that is not nice. And we are nice people, right.

no, im not really. at least, not to conspiracy theorists.

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Originally posted by ******** Dude you do come off as not knowing anything about thermodynamics or chemistry... it is like rocket science so no offense.

youre right, i know fuck all about either.

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Originally posted by ******** I didn't know thermite and cement have identical properties. Maybe they don't maybe I'm just BSing you.. High Alumina Cement - Suitable bauxites contain 50 to 60 percent alumina, up to 25 percent iron oxide Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of aluminium powder and a metal oxide which produces an aluminothermic reaction known as a thermite reaction. It is not an explosive, but can create short bursts of extremely high temperatures focused on a very small target for a short period of time.

thankyou, that's all i was asking for so, thermite has some similar characteristics as some cement, gotcha.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 first off, the owners of the WTC buildings are the state of new york and new jersey, through an agency called the port authority of NY and NJ. The building was leased to a native new yorker who is filthy rich, larry silverstein. there is zero possibility he had anything to do with it or knew about it. he grew up in manhattan, went to school in the city, and knew many people in the building. i met the guy, he's very very patriotic.

And he also took a record breaking insurance coverage on the towers 6 months before 9/11 and made out with 4.6 billion dollars. You'd think that would be enough for him, but Noooo. Then he goes and sues the airline companies.

source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/n...ml?ref=nyregion

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Larry A. Silverstein, who has won nearly $4.6 billion in insurance payments to cover his losses and help him rebuild at the World Trade Center site, is seeking $12.3 billion in damages from airlines and airport security companies for the 9/11 attack. Mr. Silverstein, the developer of ground zero, sought the damages, whose amount was not previously known, in a claim filed in 2004, that says the airlines and airport security companies failed to prevent terrorists from hijacking the planes used to destroy the buildings. His case was consolidated last week with similar, earlier lawsuits brought by families of some victims of the attack and by other property owners. But in seeking $12.3 billion, he is by far the biggest claimant in the litigation. The size of Mr. Silverstein�s claim was revealed last week at a status conference on the litigation in United States District Court in Manhattan. The claims by the parties involved total about $23 billion, and Mr. Silverstein�s claim for such a large chunk could jeopardize claims from other businesses and property owners, according to defense lawyers. A lawyer for the victims� families, Donald Migliori, said he was confident that their claims would not be affected because they would take priority over the property claims. A lawyer for the airlines, Desmond Barry, said that if Mr. Silverstein won his claim, he could push the total claims beyond the amount of insurance that the airlines and security companies have available. �There ain�t that much insurance,� Mr. Barry said. The federal government has capped the liability at the amount of available insurance, to avoid bankrupting the airlines. The exact amount of insurance available is still being explored in the court proceedings. Richard A. Williamson, a lawyer for Mr. Silverstein, said at the court conference on March 18 that Mr. Silverstein was seeking damages to compensate him for continuing losses at the site. Mr. Silverstein, through his company, World Trade Center Properties, has a 99-year lease, worth $3.2 billion, on four buildings at the site, including the fallen twin towers. He signed the lease in July 2001, just six weeks before the attack. Since the attack, Mr. Silverstein has been paying rent to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey on towers that no longer exist, his lawyer told the judge, Alvin K. Hellerstein. Mr. Williamson said that his client had also lost rental income from about 400 tenants. Dara McQuillan, a spokesman for Mr. Silverstein, said that the $12.3 billion represented $8.4 billion for the replacement value of the destroyed buildings and $3.9 billion in other costs, including $100 million a year in rent to the Port Authority and $300 million a year in lost rental income, as well as the cost of marketing and leasing the new buildings. Mr. Barry, speaking for the airlines, contended that Mr. Silverstein had been more than compensated by the nearly $4.6 billion insurance settlement, reached after almost six years of litigation. He argued that Mr. Silverstein was entitled to the market value of the property, which he said had been established by the $3.2 billion lease. Judge Hellerstein expressed skepticism about Mr. Silverstein�s claim, and asked why he had not stemmed his losses by just �walking away.� Turning to Mr. Williamson, Judge Hellerstein asked: �What�s the nature of your recovery?� To which Mr. Williamson replied, �For damages suffered by the events of 9/11, not value. Damages.� Mr. Williamson said that the lease required Mr. Silverstein to rebuild and to continue paying rent. �And so I�m putting to you if you walked away from the lease, you would lose the value of the lease,� Judge Hellerstein said. �Would you have a further obligation to pay money?� Mr. Williamson replied, �You have to examine that question. �But to me that�s not the test of what are our damages.� Judge Hellerstein pressed Mr. Williamson to put a dollar figure on the damages. �I don�t think it�s necessary to know the precise amount,� the judge said. �I think some order of magnitude would be appropriate.� When Mr. Williamson balked, Mr. Barry jumped in. �I think their claim is $12.3 billion,� he said. �Plus prejudgement interest,� Mr. Williamson confirmed. To which the judge tartly replied, �We shouldn�t forget that.� Judge Hellerstein ordered Mr. Silverstein to provide more documentation of his claim, or risk losing it. Mr. McQuillan, the spokesman for Mr. Silverstein, said on Wednesday the developer felt both an obligation under his lease and a moral obligation to rebuild, rather than walk away. He said that the insurance companies who paid him would be repaid if he prevails. Plaintiffs also revealed that after a spate of settlements, there are seven wrongful death cases and two injury cases remaining, out of more than 90 filed. Those who sued represent just a small fraction of the casualties on Sept. 11. Most of the victims of the attack and their families chose to take the compensation offered through a federal fund, forgoing their right to sue. Mr. Migliori, the lawyer for victims� survivors, said he believed that the claimants with property-damage claims � including Mr. Silverstein and some insurance companies trying to recoup their payments � would allow the death and injury cases to get priority in payment of damages. The judge declined to set any trial date in the case, saying that it would be �fictitious,� but set a fact-finding deadline at the end of this year. Any trials in the case appear to be more than a year away.

But hey, if I was making out with 16 billion after 9/11, I'd be very very very very patriotic too...

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Originally posted by ******** vibrational stress in the structure caused the cement (which is made of the same chemical ingredients as thermite) to vapourize and heat since the girders absorbed the structural stress it was like strickinga match the vibrational heat transfered to the foundation.. and was so immense that it allowed the heat level needed to ignite the thermite causing a chain reaction... when the heat from the thermite/cement came around it melted the girders.

could you elaborate on this for me? im unaware how the cement is "vapourized"? as well as how the vibrational stress is causing extreme heat? and are you saying thermite was put their deliberately to bring the towers down, or that the "thermite concrete" was just how the building was built? surely, despite cement and thermite's apparent similarities, there is a fundamental difference between the two substances?

it's my understanding that the only concrete in the building were the floors. 4 inch concrete slabs that were supported structurally by the independently load bearing trusses of each floor. otherwise there was no load bearing concrete supporting the building.

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Originally posted by Zharen And he also took a record breaking insurance coverage on the towers 6 months before 9/11 and made out with 4.6 billion dollars.

false.

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As we write the insurance payments are not going to reach $7.1 billion. The current situation is $4.6 billion at a maximum, although this may be subject to change (up or down) as a result of court rulings. And of course this isn't profit for Silverstein. The money is being provided for him to rebuild the WTC complex, and it turns out that's quite expensive ($6.3 billion in April 2006, see here). $4.6 billion in insurance money, $6.3 billion in costs? Not such a great deal, then. What�s more, don�t imagine the insurance companies have handed over all of this money. As we write (June 2006) there are other problems

http://www.911myths.com/html/windfall.html

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Originally posted by Zharen You'd think that would be enough for him, but Noooo. Then he goes and sues the airline companies. But hey, if I was making out with 16 billion after 9/11, I'd be very very very very patriotic too...

gee, a litigious american? you don't say

Well let's see, 6.3 billion in costs, 4.6 billion in insurance payments, and if he has his way in the lawsuit, he'll get an extra 12.3 billion. So, 16.9 - 6.3 billion = 10.6 billion in profit. Guess he is getting a good deal out of it after all.

And I'll meet your with

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Originally posted by Zharen And he also took a record breaking insurance coverage on the towers 6 months before 9/11 and made out with 4.6 billion dollars. You'd think that would be enough for him, but Noooo. Then he goes and sues the airline companies.

are you saying the buildings were un-insured prior to the six months before 9/11?

by law those buildings had to be insured from the day they broke ground to build the damn things then throughout the life of the structure.

have you ever had to renew an insurance policy for whatever reason?

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Originally posted by Zharen Well let's see, 6.3 billion in costs, 4.6 billion in insurance payments, and if he has his way in the lawsuit, he'll get an extra 12.3 billion. So, 16.9 - 6.3 billion = 10.6 billion in profit. Guess he is getting a good deal out of it after all. And I'll meet your with

you forgot about his lost income between the day the buildings fell to the day the WTC opens back up for business

he also had to purchase a 99 year lease in 1998 for $3.2 billion. three years later, guess where that $3.2 billion went? on a barge floating down the Hudson.


it's so hard not to insult and lob ad-hominems at people in this particular thread for some reason. thank goodness for smilies

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Originally posted by Q5echo it's so hard not to insult and lob ad-hominems at people in this particular thread for some reason. thank goodness for smilies

you see my problem!

This is the tread that never dies.......NEVER

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Originally posted by Zharen And he also took a record breaking insurance coverage on the towers 6 months before 9/11 and made out with 4.6 billion dollars. You'd think that would be enough for him, but Noooo. Then he goes and sues the airline companies. source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/n...ml?ref=nyregion But hey, if I was making out with 16 billion after 9/11, I'd be very very very very patriotic too...

did we not read the part about him paying 100 million in rent a year without any income produced by the site. pretty good deal.


he is also required to rebuild the site, and at this moment, he doesn't have enough funding to build the site as planned (mind you, he didn't have full control of the rebuiding process). he's not winning in this battle. if i remember correctly, he said that he was about 6 billion short.

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Originally posted by Q5echo it's so hard not to insult and lob ad-hominems at people in this particular thread for some reason. thank goodness for smilies

lol that is why I've tried to stay out of this thread

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Originally posted by ******** THERMITE IS THE CEMENT.. CEMENT IS USED IN THE FOUNDATION.. YOU DON'T NEED DRILLING SINCE THE SUPPORT GIRDERS ARE IN CONTACT WITH THE FOUNDATION. I COULD BE MISTAKEN AS I CAN'T SAY I KNOW HOW THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN FULL ONLY PARTS OF THIS.

where did you hear that BS?

cement is made of clays, limestone, gypsum, and water. thermite is a composition of aluminium and oxidized metals (aka rust). do you actually research or just post any shit you hear?

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Originally posted by ******** Author: The author of this work, Gordon Ross, was born in Dundee, Scotland. He holds degrees in both Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering, graduating from Liverpool John Moores University, in 1984. He can be contacted at [email protected]. Try reading the paper. Your net surfing skills are like a longtime anorexic chic. http://www.journalof911studies.com/...ransferRoss.pdf the truth is not meant to be known, only God (not per se the germanic odin like God where the word comes from (as odd as that is calling a YWH "God" the name of another god who hates people worshiping other gods.. yah.) can vouche for truth --- It gets a little confusing though.. because LJM U had name changes... it's name wasnt LJM U until 1992.. his graduating class was 1984.. as such he would have graduated from Liverpool Polytechnic not LJM U - but retroactive degree status would sort of be that way if this were the case. This may be where you could find out if he was a student if they can say... http://alumni.livjm.ac.uk/

degrees are fantastic but he isn't a chartered engineering in the UK.... so while his academic credentials as a MECHANICAL engineer may be valid and good, he does not hold a CHARTER OF ENGINEERING in the UK and hence isnt liscenced to practice engineering or give expert opinion on the subject of engineering.

Liscences are based on area of expertise.. ie a chartered MECHANICAL engineer can be considered for expertise in the field of MECHANICAL ENGINEERING (who have absolutely nothing to do with building design and civil engineering works besides picking out which kind of airconditioner to put on the roof). a chartered CIVIL (structural) ENGINEER can be considered for expertise in the field of CIVIL ENGINEERING (roads, buildings, bridges, etc etc etc) A degree proves that you have passed classes, a charter (or liscence in NA) prove you have experience and competence in oyur field of speciality.

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THERMITE IS THE CEMENT.. CEMENT IS USED IN THE FOUNDATION.. YOU DON'T NEED DRILLING SINCE THE SUPPORT GIRDERS ARE IN CONTACT WITH THE FOUNDATION. I COULD BE MISTAKEN AS I CAN'T SAY I KNOW HOW THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN FULL ONLY PARTS OF THIS.

WRONG!

Dude.... seriously? cement is made of 3 prime ingredients (not including admixtures which i dont need to get into here)

these three things are:

- portland cement (produced by coking limestone into clinker, again i dont need to go into any more detail here for our purposes, but its safe to say it does not include any iron oxide or aluminum)

-Aggregate, in the form of coarse aggregate (crushed stone) and fine aggregate (sand)

-water, reacts with the portland (hydration) and cements all the particles together


Thermite - aluminum powder + iron oxide + heat source = hot hot hot....



notice the two ingredients that ARE NOT FOUND IN CONCRETE AT ALL!

Both of my parents are civil engineers and architechts, so I wouldn't write off their opinions. Not that I gave them much importance to begin with as I don't require external validation to formulate or reinforce views I'm capable of doing myself, but point is that no architect, civil engineer, or structural engineer buys in to a bullshit theory like the pancake theory... plus, there's several other indicators surroudning 9-11 that have nothing to do with engineering or science strongly indicative of internal cooperation with the array of perpertarors involved. Most people have an extermemely oversimplified world view and certainly don't appreciate or understand the concept of power, the underlying complexities, or it's implications.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp WRONG! Dude.... seriously? cement is made of 3 prime ingredients (not including admixtures which i dont need to get into here) these three things are: - portland cement (produced by coking limestone into clinker, again i dont need to go into any more detail here for our purposes, but its safe to say it does not include any iron oxide or aluminum) -Aggregate, in the form of coarse aggregate (crushed stone) and fine aggregate (sand) -water, reacts with the portland (hydration) and cements all the particles together Thermite - aluminum powder + iron oxide + heat source = hot hot hot.... notice the two ingredients that ARE NOT FOUND IN CONCRETE AT ALL!

So you took his bait...

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp WRONG! Dude.... seriously? cement is made of 3 prime ingredients (not including admixtures which i dont need to get into here) these three things are: - portland cement (produced by coking limestone into clinker, again i dont need to go into any more detail here for our purposes, but its safe to say it does not include any iron oxide or aluminum) -Aggregate, in the form of coarse aggregate (crushed stone) and fine aggregate (sand) -water, reacts with the portland (hydration) and cements all the particles together Thermite - aluminum powder + iron oxide + heat source = hot hot hot.... notice the two ingredients that ARE NOT FOUND IN CONCRETE AT ALL!

i don't know what world this ashley dude lives in. he extrapolates whatever he wants from the most inconsequential sources. apparently, he's also a US constitutional law scholar.

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Originally posted by ******** I have a varied response in mind to this and using the nicest language I can and giving an example. I know what type of knowledge you need for a dual degree in Mechanical Engineering and Manufacturing Engineering from the UofA 1. AMAT 217 Calculus for Engineers and Scientists 2. AMAT 219 Multivariable Calculus for Engineers 3. CHEM 209 General Chemistry for Engineers 4. ENGG 201 Behaviour of Liquids, Gases and Solids 5. ENGG 205 Engineering Mechanics I 6. ENGG 233 Computing for Engineers I 7. ENGG 251 Design and Communications I 8. ENGG 253 Design and Communications II 9. MATH 221 Linear Algebra for Scientists and Engineers 10. PHYS 259 Electricity and Magnetism 11. Complementary Studies Course 1. AMAT 307 Differential Equations 2. CHEM 357 Industrial Organic Chemistry for Engineers 3. ENGG 311 Engineering Thermodynamics 4. ENGG 319 Probability and Statistics for Engineers 5. ENGG 317 Mechanics of Solids 6. ENGG 325 Electric Circuits and Systems 7. ENGG 349 Engineering Mechanics II 8. ENGG 407 Numerical Methods in Engineering 9. ENME 337 Computing Tools for Engineering Design 10. ENME 341 Fundamentals of Fluid Mechanics 11. PHYS 369 Acoustics, Optics and Radiation for Engineers Block Course - ENME 001 Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering Block Course (32 hours) 3rd Year Manufacturing Engineering, regular program and Minor in Mechatronics 1. ENME 421 Materials I 2. ENME 461 Mechatronics 3. ENMF 401 Computer-Aided Design and Graphics 4. ENMF 405 Mechanics of Materials 5. ENMF 407 Human Behaviour in Organizations 6. ENMF 411 Quality Assurance 7. ENMF 415 Integrated Manufacturing Systems I 8. ENMF 417 Manufacturing and Production Processes 9. ENMF 473 Kinematics and Dynamics of Machines 10., 11. Complementary Studies Courses (two half-course equivalents) 4th Year Manufacturing Engineering, regular program 1. ENGG 513 The Role and Responsibilities of the Professional Engineer in Society 2., 3. ENMF 512 Manufacturing Engineering Design Methodology and Application (two half-course equivalents) 4. ENMF 521 Manufacturing Practicum* 5. ENMF 533 Elements of Automation 6. - 9. Technical Electives (four half-course equivalents) 10., 11. Complementary Studies Courses (two half-course equivalents) * Occurs over a 2-week period during the Summer Session. This course may be taken prior to third year (subject to space limitations). Contact department for dates. Note: Students are encouraged to select technical electives from a similar area in order to specialize in a subject stream. The subject streams for the manufacturing engineering technical electives are: Automation (ENME 585, 599, ENMF 503, 505, 513, 515, 529), Manufacturing Systems (ENMF 501, 507, 509, 513, 527), and Design and Manufacturing Processes (ENME 521, 547, ENMF 503, 517). AMAT 307 Differential Equations 2. CHEM 357 Industrial Organic Chemistry for Engineers 3. ENGG 311 Engineering Thermodynamics 4. ENGG 319 Probability and Statistics for Engineers 5. ENGG 317 Mechanics of Solids 6. ENGG 325 Electric Circuits and Systems 7. ENGG 349 Engineering Mechanics II 8. ENGG 407 Numerical Methods in Engineering 9. ENME 337 Computing Tools for Engineering Design 10. ENME 341 Fundamentals of Fluid Mechanics 11. PHYS 369 Acoustics, Optics and Radiation for Engineers Block Course - ENME 001 Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering Block Course (32 hours) 3rd Year Mechanical Engineering, regular program and Minors in Mechatronics and Petroleum Engineering 1. ENME 421 Materials I 2. ENME 461 Mechatronics 3. ENME 471 Heat Transfer 4. ENME 473 Fundamentals of Kinematics and Dynamics of Machines 5. ENME 479 Mechanics of Materials I 6. ENME 485 Mechanical Engineering Thermodynamics 7. ENME 493 Machine Component Design 8. ENME 495 Fluid Mechanics 9. ENMF 417 Manufacturing and Production Processes 10., 11. Complementary Studies Courses (two half-course equivalents) 4th Year Mechanical Engineering, regular program 1. ENGG 513 The Role and Responsibilities of the Professional Engineer in Society 2., 3. ENME 538 Mechanical Engineering Design Methodology and Application (two half-course equivalents) 4. ENME 585 Control Systems 5. ENME 599 Vibrations and Machine Dynamics 6. - 9. Technical Electives (four half-course equivalents) 10., 11. Complementary Studies Courses (two half-course equivalents)

Ok, so you have found a standard 4 year curriculum for an engineering program.

Now let me reiterate..... the engineering education is there to provide background.... not experience


ah fuck it... ill just go out and say it like it is. when you graduate, the first thing you learn is that you know jack shit. The expertise of an engineer is learned through practice which generates a wealth of experience. It is this experience that tells us what works and what doesnt, what will fail and what will hold up etc etc. the degree is only the first step.

That being said... now time to adress some of shaolin's irks with engineers. engineers are masters of practicality and application. Theory is great but physicists couldn't get anything done.... they would spend 15 years arguing over the atomic interaction between a nut and a bolt.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp That being said... now time to adress some of shaolin's irks with engineers. engineers are masters of practicality and application. Theory is great but physicists couldn't get anything done.... they would spend 15 years arguing over the atomic interaction between a nut and a bolt.

Colonel, you completely misunderstood the context of my comment directed at PKC who esentially thinks that anyone lacking certification as a structural or civil engineer is inherintly completely incompitent lacking any credibility in context of the subject. I was pointing out that his silly assumtption (or assertion), if anything is more aking to turning reality upside down... which makes his argument laughable at best.

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Originally posted by ******** It's not my fault little green men edit my posts. Lets not do personal attacks cause that is not nice. And we are nice people, right. Dude you do come off as not knowing anything about thermodynamics or chemistry... it is like rocket science so no offense. I didn't know thermite and cement have identical properties. Maybe they don't maybe I'm just BSing you.. High Alumina Cement - Suitable bauxites contain 50 to 60 percent alumina, up to 25 percent iron oxide Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of aluminium powder and a metal oxide which produces an aluminothermic reaction known as a thermite reaction. It is not an explosive, but can create short bursts of extremely high temperatures focused on a very small target for a short period of time.

since you are being a smart ass..... allow me to retort...


ever taken WHMIS training? say hello to my little friend.... the MSDS for calcium aluminate cement, which is rarely used due to its huge potential for sudden failure (many buildings in teh UK that used this technology have since been retrofitted....


http://www.kerneosinc.com/pdfs/new/CACMSDSUSA.pdf

KEY PHRASES

reactivity = 0
will not support combustion in the presence of any other material

the most dangerous thing about this is that it may cause a rash on your skin....

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