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Posted by Ghostface on Oct-14-2004 00:17:

Just a question - when using the 1A, 2A, 3A etc harmonic mixing scale, which are the best numbers to mix with each other?

For example if I am playing a track which is a 5A are there any keys apart from 4A, 5B and 6A which I can mix into it?


Posted by Nemesis44 on Oct-14-2004 12:03:

Hey Ghostface,

Sure there are other combinations you can do. You can also do transations from 6a to 3a for example. This gives a good lifting feel to the mix. It's not so good if you go the other way i.e. from 3 to 6.
Rule of thumb is that you can drop 3 steps on the camelot scale.

Another way you can do it is by adding 4, let's say you go from 4a to 8a. This would be using the roots harmonic. This can also generate a nice lifting feel and/or a harmonic effect that can sound nice.

This mixes are better suited to quite quick changeovers as they are ussed for building energy and don't always sound that good if you have them running at the same time.

Hope this helps

Cheers
Nem


Posted by GT357 on Oct-15-2004 06:15:

like whoa... i didn't realize there were that many ppl into keying their collection. very very cool. it brings on a new level of sofistication. very inspiring, much respect.


Posted by raveanddie on Oct-19-2004 10:01:

hi ... this is kinda annoying,

im referring to the camelot system
http://www.harmonic-mixing.com/overview/easymix.mv






seems that eveyone is using it ... but in that circle i see this

(12A) D flat minor
(1A) A flat minor
(2B) E flat minor
(3A) B flat minor


its so confusing .. where the hell is D flat minor, A flat minor , e flat minor and b flat minor on the keyboard? Whats further confusing is that there is also a D flat major, E flat major, A flat major, F sharp major,

i thought the key scale should be like this

Cmajor, Cminor, Dmajor, Dminor, Emajor, Fmajor, Fminor, Gmajor, Gminor, Amajor, Aminor, Bmajor ...







taken from [url]http://mixshare.com/keytutorial.html[/url


Posted by Nemesis44 on Oct-19-2004 12:59:

D flat minor is the same chord as C sharp minor. They are exactly the same just two different names for the same thing. Keep in mind that it can only be a minor if it's a chord. To create a minor you need a combination of notes but the root will always be the first note i.e. C# / Db.

Cheers
Nem


Posted by raveanddie on Oct-19-2004 13:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Nemesis44
D flat minor is the same chord as C sharp minor.



Dear Nemesis,

If the D flat minor is the same chord as C sharp minor, then why is it that on the camelot system its not the same Eg : (5A) & (12A)

(5A) is D flat minor
(12A) is C minor

quote:

They are exactly the same just two different names for the same thing. Keep in mind that it can only be a minor if it's a chord. To create a minor you need a combination of notes but the root will always be the first note i.e. C# / Db..


I dont understand, so you are saying that pressing the C# key alone is not enough if i find that the track belongs to the C# note?


Elliot


Posted by Jarjar on Oct-19-2004 17:56:

"(5A) is D flat minor
(12A) is C minor"

D flat = Db = C#
C = Well, C... Not C#

D flat means "the key below/to the left of D" which is C#.

When I key tunes I usually play the melody and find out what keys I use. Also keying the bassline helps a lot, especially the first note of the bassline that in at least 75% of the cases is the correct key.


Posted by DJ Dinz on Oct-19-2004 19:33:

Hi Guys..

Can anyone tell me the keys of the following....? *i dont know about keys major/minors*

Sam Sharp - Twister
Brooklyn Bounce - Crazy
Alphazone - Revelation
Pervading Call - Destiny
Chemistry - Desire
Megara Vs DJ Lee - Human Nature
Nightfly - Desire
Yoji Biomehanika - Hardhouse Raver

Can u tell me by IE: 1A.. 2B etc.. so it is easier to understand hehe

BTW how can the same song with different remixes have different keys??? i thought they have the same bassline??? *confused*

THNX hehe





Posted by Nemesis44 on Oct-20-2004 12:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Jarjar
"(5A) is D flat minor
(12A) is C minor"

D flat = Db = C#
C = Well, C... Not C#

D flat means "the key below/to the left of D" which is C#.

When I key tunes I usually play the melody and find out what keys I use. Also keying the bassline helps a lot, especially the first note of the bassline that in at least 75% of the cases is the correct key.


Basically what Jarjar said, but 5a = C minor and 12a is C# minor (which is the same as Db minor).

quote:
I dont understand, so you are saying that pressing the C# key alone is not enough if i find that the track belongs to the C# note?

Well kinda, pressing just one key will definately give you the root of the key but will not be enough to tell you if it's a major or minor key. For that you need to learn how to play chords. Once you get good at it you will be able to hear if it's major or minor before you even try to key it up.

Cheers
Nem


Posted by Nemesis44 on Oct-20-2004 12:22:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Dinz
Hi Guys..

Can anyone tell me the keys of the following....? *i dont know about keys major/minors*

Sam Sharp - Twister
Brooklyn Bounce - Crazy
Alphazone - Revelation
Pervading Call - Destiny
Chemistry - Desire
Megara Vs DJ Lee - Human Nature
Nightfly - Desire
Yoji Biomehanika - Hardhouse Raver

Can u tell me by IE: 1A.. 2B etc.. so it is easier to understand hehe

BTW how can the same song with different remixes have different keys??? i thought they have the same bassline??? *confused*

THNX hehe






Hey Dinz,

The only one I can remember off the top of my head is Sam Sharp - Twister which goes in E minor (9a)

Remixes can be in all sorts of different keys. In some cases they may have actually been given the midi file and just edited it. Quite easy. Or alternatively they might find it easier playing the melody on a different place on the keyboard so it's easier to work with.
The reason can be whatever even the fact that might just have thought it sounded better at the time.

Cheers
Nem


Posted by raveanddie on Oct-20-2004 14:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Nemesis44
Basically what Jarjar said, but 5a = C minor and 12a is C# minor (which is the same as Db minor)


Hi,

you mean C minor and C# minor is not the same? ... where is the C minor then? Please illustrate using the keyboard pictured above



Posted by Nemesis44 on Oct-20-2004 16:34:

quote:
Originally posted by raveanddie
Hi,

you mean C minor and C# minor is not the same? ... where is the C minor then? Please illustrate using the keyboard pictured above




There is no C minor on the keyboard. To make a C minor you have to press three keys on the keyboard. C minor is a chord not a single note. You would have to press the C Eb G keys to make a chord of C minor.

A C minor is basically in the root of C but it's just the other notes that decide if it has a major or minor sound. Major tends to be a little more up beat whereas a minor sounds a little more emotional.

Cheers
Nem


Posted by Kev Boy on Oct-20-2004 18:13:

harmonic mixing

Just checking to see if this works!


Posted by Kev Boy on Oct-20-2004 18:27:

harmonic mixing

Hey guys,
Good to see so many harmonic mixers. I am a bit of a fanatic when it comes to this! I have keyed over 700-1000 trance/progressive tunes. I play the guitar which makes it very easy! Anybody wanting any keys then I'll gladly help, or if you give me a sample then I will key it for you.
Trance is easy to key after a bit of practise. 99% is in a minor key, and the key is almost always the first bass note (also in the outro).
For example Sam Sharp - Deep is Bb minor. Bb note throughout. It is sometimes difficult to tell if it only has one note throughout and no chord sequences, as it could be minor or major, but in the case of Deep(and In-Deep)there is a small passage where several notes fit the Bb minor scale. Other tunes may have several chords (most trance tunes have say 3 or 4 chords, all very basic chords and are the most common ones to fit that particular scale)(see the camelot system above for whatchords go with what key i.e. in A minor, the common chords are C, F, G, E minor, D minor and of course A minor) You can occassionally get a chord thatmay appear out of key, e.g Motorcycle - As the rush comes has a nice little E chord in there.

Some recent tunes:
Ferry Corsten - Sweet Sorrow (thrillseekers) C minor
Whiteroom - Whiteroom C minor
MK-S - Fallback A minor
B4 - Onde F# minor
Miro - By Your Side A minor
Alucard - Eyes of a perfect stranger Bb minor
Critical 7 - Lost Eb minor
Rio Addicts - Crossroads G minor
Alucard - Lighthouse C# minor
Sonar Methods - Echoing waves (original) C minor (Nickson) E minor

Cheers


Posted by raveanddie on Oct-21-2004 01:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Nemesis44
There is no C minor on the keyboard. To make a C minor you have to press three keys on the keyboard. C minor is a chord not a single note. You would have to press the C Eb G keys to make a chord of C minor.


So you are saying that i should press the C major, Db and G major all at the same time to get C minor.

quote:
[i]A C minor is basically in the root of C but it's just the other notes that decide if it has a major or minor sound. Major tends to be a little more up beat whereas a minor sounds a little more emotional.



In this case, how did you actually get the three keys. Is it true that i have to count 3 keys and 7keys from the root note to get the chord. And i would have to press ALL three keys at the same time?

Let me see if i get this right. To get chords, these are the combinations

A minor = A + C + E
B minor = B + D + Gb
C minor = C + Db + G
D minor = D + F + A
E minor = E + G + B
F minor = F + Ab + C
G minor = G + Bb + D

but whats strange is that the method used in mixshare..com is like this

method 3 - by chords
it is often easier to hear if a chord is out of key, and not just a single note. play various major or minor chords until you find one that sounds good. the goal is to make sure the sub dominant and dominant chords also are in key. if an E major chord sounds good, play the A and B major chords, do they sound better? the relative minor chord, C# minor, should also blend in. play around until you find the optimal 3 chords. once you have found the root chord, for instance, D major, to determine whether the scale is D major or the relative B minor (which has the same notes), play the sub dominant (5 half-steps) and dominant (7 half-steps) notes relative to each root note. for example, for D major play G and A. for B minor play E and F#/Gb. which pairs of notes sound best?

So who is correct? that method is using the 5th and the 7th key, whereas yours is the 3th and the 7th key

Also, what is A flat major, B flat major and so forth. I suppose A major and A flat major is not the same key?


Please help


Posted by Nemesis44 on Oct-21-2004 09:48:

Re: harmonic mixing

quote:
Originally posted by Kev Boy
Hey guys,
Good to see so many harmonic mixers. I am a bit of a fanatic when it comes to this! I have keyed over 700-1000 trance/progressive tunes. I play the guitar which makes it very easy! Anybody wanting any keys then I'll gladly help, or if you give me a sample then I will key it for you.
Trance is easy to key after a bit of practise. 99% is in a minor key, and the key is almost always the first bass note (also in the outro).
For example Sam Sharp - Deep is Bb minor. Bb note throughout. It is sometimes difficult to tell if it only has one note throughout and no chord sequences, as it could be minor or major, but in the case of Deep(and In-Deep)there is a small passage where several notes fit the Bb minor scale. Other tunes may have several chords (most trance tunes have say 3 or 4 chords, all very basic chords and are the most common ones to fit that particular scale)(see the camelot system above for whatchords go with what key i.e. in A minor, the common chords are C, F, G, E minor, D minor and of course A minor) You can occassionally get a chord thatmay appear out of key, e.g Motorcycle - As the rush comes has a nice little E chord in there.

Some recent tunes:
Ferry Corsten - Sweet Sorrow (thrillseekers) C minor
Whiteroom - Whiteroom C minor
MK-S - Fallback A minor
B4 - Onde F# minor
Miro - By Your Side A minor
Alucard - Eyes of a perfect stranger Bb minor
Critical 7 - Lost Eb minor
Rio Addicts - Crossroads G minor
Alucard - Lighthouse C# minor
Sonar Methods - Echoing waves (original) C minor (Nickson) E minor

Cheers


Hey Kev Boy,

Just curious what you got Motorcycle down as? I only played Armin's version which I had a Bm. Which worked for me (I know that the E and B notes are very compatible as they actually go together to make a power chord on the guitar. Used to play guitar too. )

As far as I'm concerned, harmonic mixing is the only way to work. I hate hearing DJs who don't do it, it just sounds so rough.

Cheers
Nem


Posted by venomdx on Oct-21-2004 09:59:

Re: harmonic mixing

quote:
Originally posted by Kev Boy

Sonar Methods - Echoing waves (original) C minor (Nickson) E minor



I've got Nickson mix Cm, Original Mix Em

Maybe you have the mixes confused?


Posted by raveanddie on Oct-25-2004 11:09:

Quick question,

Does it matter which portion of the C major key i use on the keyboard as a root note,or should i only use the leftmost portion keys for keying root notes?

I was using the Rapid Evolution 2, Java Version, but i was unable to use the leftmost portion of the keyboard, The shortcut keys (Major and Minor) .. seem to be using only the center portion of the keyboard


Elliot


Posted by Kev Boy on Oct-26-2004 09:23:

hi,
As long as you have the root note and it is the correct one, then it should be ok. Ideally you want the note in your tune and the note on the keyboard to be at the same pitch (same octave). Should be a bass note in the tune anyway, so a low note on the keyboard will do.

Motorcycle - as the rush comes is definitely B minor


Posted by Kev Boy on Oct-26-2004 09:23:

hi,
As long as you have the root note and it is the correct one, then it should be ok. Ideally you want the note in your tune and the note on the keyboard to be at the same pitch (same octave). Should be a bass note in the tune anyway, so a low note on the keyboard will do.

Motorcycle - as the rush comes is definitely B minor


Posted by Camelot_Sound on Oct-28-2004 07:56:

Fantastic forum, guys! It is gratifying to see this much interest in harmonic mixing.


Posted by Kev Boy on Oct-28-2004 08:55:

Hey,
Harmonic mixing is the only way! Use it to change keys for change of direction too. Takes guess work out of it.


Posted by johnny2003 on Oct-29-2004 14:01:

If anyone could make any corrections, or add to this list i will love you forever!! My ears are rubbish so i cant key tunes myself, so i have to rely on other peoples' knowledge :-( I've searched the harmonic database and i cant find much there really. Please help!!!

Above & Beyond Feat. Zoe Johnston - No one on Earth (Gabriel & Dresden Rmx) Fm->Fm
Above & Beyond Feat. Zoe Johnston - No One On Earth (Original Mix) F->F
Above & Beyond Pres. Tranquility Base - Surrender (Filterheadz Rmx) C->C
Above & Beyond Pres. Tranquility Base - Surrender (Original Mix) C->C
Active Sight - Take The Day As It Comes (Original Mix) Gm->Gm
Active Sight - The Search For Freedom (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Adam Moor and Adam White Present Whiteroom - The Whiteroom (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Agnelli & Nelson - Everday (Lange Rmx) Gm->Gm
Agnelli & Nelson - Everyday (Original Mix) Gm->Gm
Agnelli & Nelson - Holding Onto Nothing (Club Mix) Am->Am
Airscape - L'Esperanza (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Airscape - L'Esperanza (Sven Goes To The Love Parade Mix) Am->Am
Albert Vorne - Nuances (Astura Rmx)
Albert Vorne - Nuances (Original Mix)
Alucard vs Yana Kay - Eyes of a Perfect Stranger (Original Mix) F#->A#m
Alucard vs Yana Kay - Eyes of a Perfect Stranger (Will Holland's Blue Room Mix) G->A#
Aly & Fila - Eye of Hours (Ronski Speed Rmx) F#->F#m
Aly & Fila - Eye of Hours (Solid Globe Rmx) F#m->F#m
Angel City - Touch Me (Rank 1 Rmx) Em->A
Anthony Cartier - Feels Like (G&M Project Mix)
Armand Van Helden - My My My (Original Mix)
"Armin - Communication (Original 12"" Mix)" Cm->Cm
Armin - Communication (Quake Rmx) Cm->Cm
Astral - Now And Forever (Kenny Hayes Rmx) C#m->C#m
Astral - Now And Forever (Original Mix) C#->A
Astura - Cassandra (Original Mix)
Astura - Cassiopeia (Original Mix)
ATB - Don't Stop (Sequential One Rmx) Dm->Dm
ATB - Don't Stop (X-Cabs Rmx) Dm->Dm
Aurora - Ordinary Wolrd (Above & Beyond Rmx) C#->C#
Aurora - Ordinary World (Condor Rmx) G#->E
"Aurora Feat. Naimee Coleman - Sleeping Satellite (Original 12"" Mix)" A#->F
Aurora Feat. Naimee Coleman - Sleeping Satellite (Super 8 Rmx) F->F
Ayla - Ayla (DJ Tandu Rmx) Am->Am
Ayla - Ayla (Veracocha Rmx) Am->Am
Barthezz - On The Move (Original Mix) A#m->A#m
Beetseekers - Reflexion (John 00 Fleming Remix) C->C
Beetseekers - Reflexion (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Binary Finary - 1999 (Gouryella Mix) Gm->Gm
Bossanova - Stonecold (Afterburn Remix) Dm->Dm
Bossanova - Stonecold (Syndique Remix) Dm->Dm
Brian Eno - An Ending (Ascent) (Leama & Moor Rmx) G#->G#
Camisra - Let Me Show You (Original Mix) E->E
Camisra - Let Me Show You (Vocal Mix) E->E
Candee Jay - If I Were You (Michael Woods Rmx) A#m->A#m
Candee Jay - If I Were You (Original Mix) C->C
Chicane - Offshore (Disco Citizens Rmx) Fm->Fm
Chicane - Offshore (Original Mix) Fm->Fm
Chicane - Saltwater (Original Mix) Fm->Fm
Chicane - Saltwater (Tomski VS Disco Citizens Rmx) A#m->A#m
Chicane Feat Bryan Adams - Don't Give Up (Disco Citizens vs Tomski Rmx) Cm->Cm
Chicane Feat Bryan Adams - Don't Give Up (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
CJ Stone - Don't Look Back (Extended Vocal Mix) Cm->Cm
CJ Stone - Don't Look Back (Kenny Hayes Rmx) Cm->Cm
Conjure One - Sleep (Ian Van Dahl Remix) C#m->C#m
Cooper - I Believe In Love (Club Mix) A#->A#
Cooper - I Believe In Love (Extended Mix) G#->G#
Cooper - I believe in Love (Ultra Beat Rmx) A#->A#
Corderoy - Deeper (Dub Mix) Em->Em
Corderoy - Deeper (Vocal Mix) Em->Em
Culture Beat - Mr Vain (CJ Stone Mix) A#->A#
Culture Beat - Mr Vain (Recall Mix) A#->A#
Cygnus X - Superstring (Rank 1 Original Mix) Dm->Dm
"Darude - Sandstorm (Original 12"" Mix)" Em->Em
David Guetta - Just A Little More Love (Wally Lopez Rmx) Am->Am
Deep Dish
Deep Dish - Flashdance (Skylark Mix)
Deleruim - Slience (DJ Tiesto's In Search Of Sunrise Rmx) Am->Am
Divine Inspiration - The Way (Svenson & Gielen Rmx) Cm->Cm
Divine Inspiration - The Way (Voodoo & Serano Mix) F->F
Divine Inspiration - What Will Be Will Be (Vocal and Instrumental) Dm->Dm
DJ Danjo & Rob Styles - Duende (Original Mix)
DJ Danjo & Rob Styles - Duende (Signum Mix)
DJ Jurgen Presents Alice DJ - Better Off Alone (Vocal Club Mix) G#m->G#m
DJ Sakin & Friends - Protect Your Mind (Lange Remix) A->A
DJ Sammy - Boys Of Summer (Original Mix) G#m->G#m
Dreamcatcher - I Don't Wanna Lose My Way (Moguai Rmx) Gm->Gm
DT8 Feat. Roxanne Wilde - Destination (BK Mix) Em->Em
DT8 Feat. Roxanne Wilde - Destination (BK Vocal Mix) Em->Em
Endre - I Kill For You (Original Mix)
Endre - I Kill For You (Probspot Mix)
Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (Three 'N One 2002 Mix) Fm->Fm
Enmass - CQ (Seek You) (Original Mix)
Enmass - So Please (Original Mix)
Eric Prydz - Call on Me (Eric Prydz vs Retarded Funk Mix) D#m->D#m
Faithless - Insomnia (Monster Mix) Bm->Bm
FatKid - Southern Sun 2004 (FatKid White Isle Rmx) Em->Em
Ferry Corsten - Sweet Sorrow (Album Version) Cm->Cm
Ferry Corsten - Sweet Sorrow (Thrillseekers Rmx) Cm->Cm
Filo & Peri - 1999 (Original Mix) G->G
Filo & Peri - Radiate (Original Mix) Am->Am
Filterheadz - Yimanya (Filterheadz Original Mix) Bm->Bm
Flower Power - Flower Power (Original Mix) Em->Em
FX Zone - Synthasia (NU NRG Rmx) Am->Am
FX Zone - Synthasia (Original Mix) Am->Am
Gate 42 - Flow (John O'Callaghan Mix)
Gate 42 - Flow (Original Mix)
George Hales - Autumn Falls (Original Mix) Bm->Em
George Hales - Autumn Falls (St John vs Locust Rmx) Gm->Gm
"Gladiator feat Izzy - Now We Are Free (Original 12"" Mix)" F#->F#
Global Interference - Genesis (Original Mix)
Global Interference - Orion (Original Mix)
Gouryella - Gouryella (Original Mix) G->G
Gouryella - Walhalla (Armin Van Buuren's Rising Star Mix) Bm->Bm
Gouryella - Walhalla (Original Mix) Bm->Bm
Hampshire & Nysee feat. Nikita
Hampshire & Nysee feat. Nikita - Different Way (Electraglide Mix)
Hampshire & Nysee feat. Nikita - Different Way (Van Eyden & M.O.R.P.H Mix)
Hampshire & Nysse feat.Nikita - Eternal Voices (Airwave's Revenge Mix) Am->Am
Ian Van Dahl - I Can't Let You Go (Extended Mix) A#m->A#m
Ian Van Dahl - I Can't Let You Go (Jan Vervloet Mix) A#m->A#m
Icone - Astra (Arc In The Sky Remix)
Icone - Astra (Original Mix)
Jan Gustaffson - Future History (Original History)
Jan Gustaffson - True Fiction (Original Mix)
Jose Amnesia - The Eternal (NU-NRG Rmx) Bm->Bm
Jose Amnesia - The Eternal (Original Mix) A#m->A#m
Jose Amnesia - The Eternal (Thomas Datt Rmx) A#m->A#m
Junior Jack - Stupidisco (Original Mix)
Jurgen Vries - The Opera Song (Extended Vocal & Dub) B->B
Katpeople - Freefalling (Disco Brothers Rmx) A#m->A#m
Katpeople - Freefalling (Katoi & Pesh Rmx) A#->A#
Kira - I'll Be Your Angel (Alphazone Mix) Am->Am
Kira - I'll Be Your Angel (Club Mix) Am->Am
Kontakt - Show Me A Sign (Club Mix) A#m->A#m
Kyau Vs Albert - Not With You (Ronski Speed Dub) D#->D#
Kyau Vs Albert - Not With You (Sonorous' Venus Transit Mix) Am->Am
Lange - Sincere For You (Original Mix)
Lange - Sincere For You (Thrillseekers Remix)
Lange feat. Leah - Dont Think It (Feel It) (Cosmicman Rmx) A#m->A
Lange feat. Leah - Dont Think It (Feel It) (Original Mix) A#->A#
Lange feat. Leah - Dont Think It (Feel It) (Scott Mac Rmx) F#m->F#m
Lange feat. Leah - Dont Think It (Feel It) (Shane 54 Remix) D#m->F
Lange feat. Skye - Drifing Away (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Lange feat. Skye - Drifitng Away (Lange's Sunset Dub) E->Em
Lasgo - Something (Extneded Mix) Gm->Gm
Lasgo - Something (W.O.S.P Rmx) Gm->Gm
Lingen & Moore - Passion (Robert Nickson Club) Am->Am
Lingen & Moore - Passion (Robert Nickson Dub) Am->Am
Liquid Child '99 - Diving Faces (Original Club Mix) C->C
Lolo - Because (Original Mix)
Lolo - Why? (Original Mix)
Lost Tribe - Gamesmaster 2003 (Matt Darey 2003 Mix) Em->Em
Lost Tribe - Gamesmaster 2003 (Michael Woods Rmx) Em->Em
Lost Witness Feat Andrea Britton - Wait For You (Kevin Insrtumental Mix)
Love Inc - You're A Superstar (LMC Mix) G#m->G#m
Love Inc - You're A Superstar (Mark Simon Edit) A->D
Love Inc - You're A Superstar (Radio Edit) A#m->A#m
Lucy Car - This Is Goodbye (Kenny Hayes Remix) G#m->G#m
Lucy Car - This Is Goodbye (LMC Remix) G#m->G#
Madison Factor - Lights in Motion (Filo & Peri Bangin Mix) Em->Em
Madison Factor - Lights In Motion (Filo & Peri Lighthouse Mix) Em->Em
Madoka - Afterburner (Max Graham Mix)
Madoka - Afterburner (Original Mix)
Markus Schulz Pres. Elevation - Largo (Mark Otten Rmx) Am->Am
Markus Schulz Pres. Elevation - Largo (Original Rmx) Dm->Dm
Matt Darey & Marcella Woods - U Shine On (Original Mix) Gm->Gm
Matt Darey - Moody (Original Mix) Bm->Bm
Matt Darey - Nocturnal Delight Am->Am
Matt Darey - Voice Of An Angel (Michael Woods vs Matt Darey Rmx) A#m->A#m
Matt Darey - Voice Of An Angel (Vocal Dub) A#m->A#m
Matti Laamanen - Live (Dusk To Dawn Mix)
Matti Laamanen - Live (Original Mix)
Matti Laamanen - Obsession (Original Mix)
Mind One - Only Memories (Insrumental Mix)
Mind One - Only Memories (Vocal Mix)
Minimalistix - Magic Fly (PPK Remix) Dm->A
Minimalistix - Magic Fly (UltraBeat Remix) A->A
Mirco de Govia - Voller Sterne (Mirco De Govia Mix)
Mirco de Govia - Voller Sterne (Super 8 Mix)
Misja Helsloot Vs Roland K Feat Nicole - A Different World (Lemon 8 Mix)
Misja Helsloot Vs Roland K Feat Nicole - A Different World (Original Vocal Mix)
Motorcycle - As The Rush Comes (Gabriel & Dresden's Sweeping Strings Mix) Bm->Bm
Motorcycle - As The Rush Comes (Markus Schulz Coldharbour Remix) Bm->Bm
Mylo - Drop The Pressure (Erol Alkans Extended Mix)
Mylo - Drop The Pressure (Original Mix)
N-Trance - Set U Free (A1) G#->G#
N-Trance - Set U Free (A2) G#->G#
N-Trance - Set U Free (B1) G#->G#
Oceanlab - Satellite (Markus Schulz Coldharbour Rmx) Am->Am
Oceanlab - Satellite (Original Above & Beyond Mix) Am->Am
Pacific 2 Feat Anita Kelsey - Have 2B With U (Matthew Dekay Dub)
Pacific 2 Feat Anita Kelsey - Have 2B With U (Matthew Dekay Original)
"Paul Oakenfold Feat Tiff Lacey - Hypnotised (Kowalski 12"" Rmx)" C#->C#
Paul Oakenfold Feat Tiff Lacey - Hypnotised (Deepsky's Radio Reaktor Rmx) Em->Em
Paul Van Dyk - Another Way (PVD Club Mix) Am->Am
Paul Van Dyk - Avenue (Original Mix) E->E
Paul Van Dyk - Crush (Extended Mix) A->A
Paul Van Dyk - Crush (PVD Remix) Am->Am
Paul Van Dyk - Crush (Vandit Club Mix ) Dm->Dm
Paul Van Dyk - For An Angel (PVD e-werk Club Mix) Dm->Dm
Paul Van Dyk - Nothing But You (PVD Club Mix) Em->Em
Planet Perfecto - Bullet In The Gun 2000 (Original Club Mix) A#m->A#m
Planet Perfecto - Bullet In The Gun 2000 (Solar Stone Rmx) D#m->A#m
Plastic Boy - Live Another Life (Original and Vocal Mixes) D#m->D#m
Plummet - Cherish The Day (Antillas Extended Rmx) Cm->Cm
Poloroid - So Damn Beatiful (Dogzilla Mix) Em->Em
PPK - Resurection (Space Club) Dm->Dm
PPK - Resurection (Wellenrausch Remix) Dm->Dm
Public Domain - Operation Blade (Original Mix) G#m->G#m
Quadraphonic - I Can Feel Your Love (GarethEmery's GTR Mix) E->E
Quadraphonic - I Can Feel Your Love (Shane 54 Monster Mix) E->E
Randy Katana - In-Silence (Scratch Bandicoot Rmx) D#m->D#m
Randy Katana - In-Silence (Txitxarro Rmx) F#->F#
Rank 1 - Airwave (Original Mix) Dm->Dm
Rank 1 - Airwave (Rank 1 Vs Dutch Force Rmx) Dm->Dm
Rapid Eye - Santa Cruz (MK-S Rmx) G#m->G#m
Rapid Eye - Santa Cruz (Rapid Eye Rmx) G#m->G#m
Realm F VS Rankey - Nairobi (Alex M.O.R.P.H Mix)
Realm F VS Rankey - Nairobi (Original Mix)
Red Karma Feat Tom Wollf - Dying to Survive (Mr Sam vs Ted Baker Rmx) C#m->C#m
Red Karma Feat Tom Wollf - From One To Another (Mr Sam vs Ted Baker Rmx) Gm->Gm
Revelation - Just Be Dub To Me (Divine Inspiration Rmx) Fm->Fm
Revelation - Just Be Dub To Me (Original Mix) Fm->Fm
Rico Soarez - Timeless (Original Mix)
Rico Soarez - TV Dinner (Original Mix)
Rio Addicts - Crossroads (Original Mix)
Rio Addicts - Crossroads (Probspot Rmx)
Robert Nickson - Spiral (Alucard's Star Ocean Mix) E->E
Robert Nickson - Spiral (MK-S Rmx) Am->Am
Robert Nickson - Spiral (Original Mix) A->A
Ron Van Den Beuken - Timeless (Ron Van Den Beuken Rmx) G#m->G#m
Ron Van Den Beuken - Timeless (Ron Van Den Beuken Vocal Mix) G#m->G#m
Ronski Speed - E.O.S (MK-S Remix)
Ronski Speed - E.O.S (Original Mix)
Ronski Speed - E.O.S (Perry O'Neil Remix)
Ronski Speed - E.O.S (Re:Locate Remix)
Salt Lake - Sunset Highway (Original Mix)
Sarah McLachlan - Fallen (Gabriel & Dresden Anti-Gravity Mix) Gm->Gm
Sash - Encore Une Fois (Future Breeze Rmx) Bm->Bm
Seragaki - Ryuku Underground (Junkie XL Rmx) Am->Am
Shapeshifter's - Lola's Theme (Exteneded Vocal Mix) Cm->Cm
Shapeshifter's - Lola's Theme (Main Mix) Cm->Cm
Signum - First Strike (Original Mix) G#m->G#m
Signum - First Strike (Signum 2004 Remake) G#m->G#m
Signum - The Timelord (Original Mix)
Signum - The Timelord (Signum's Spectral Balance Mix)
Signum Feat. Scott Mac - Coming On Strong (Original Mix) D#m->D#m
Solex - Close To The Edge (Club Vocal) F#m->F#m
Solex - Close To The Edge (Dogzilla Remix) G#m->G#m
Solex - Close To The Edge (Original Club) F#m->F#m
Solid Globe - Sahara (Original Mix) Dm->Dm
Sonar Methods - Echoing Waves (Original Mix)
Sonar Methods - Echoing Waves (Robert Nickson Remix)
Southside Spinners - Luvstruck (Atlantis ITA Rmx) Gm->D
Southside Spinners - Luvstruck (DJ Jean Rmx) Dm->Dm
St John vs Locust - Mind Circles (Perry O'Neil Rmx) G#m->G#m
State One - Forever And A Day (Club Mix) Cm->Cm
Stonebridge feat Therese - Put 'Em High
Storm - Storm (Original Club Mix) C->C
Sun Decade - Follow You (Mike Shiver's Catching Sun Mix) G#m->G#m
Sun Decade - Follow You (Original Vocal Mix) G#m->G#m
Sundawner - Krystal Dreams (Cosmicman Rmx) Fm->Fm
Sundawner - Krystal Dreams (Markus L Mix) Fm->Fm
Super 8 - Alba (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
System F - Cry (Rank 1 Rmx) G#m->B
System F - Cry (Original Mix) A->A#
System of Life - Luv Is Cool (Kenny Hayes Rmx) F->F
Talla 2XLC Feat. Ely - The Air That I Breathe (Alex M.O.R.P.H Mix)
Talla 2XLC Feat. Ely - The Air That I Breathe (Jam X & DeLeon Mix)
Terry Bones vs Fred Baker Pres. Water Planet - Introspection (John Askew Rmx) G#m->G#m
Terry Bones vs Fred Baker Pres. Water Planet - Introspection (Mr. Sam's Tears in Heaven Interpretation) G#->F
Terry Bones vs Fred Baker Pres. Water Planet - Introspection (Original Mix) G#m->G#m
Thrillseekers - Synaesthesia (Mesh Rmx)
Thrillseekers - Synaesthesia (Pulser Mix)
Tiesto - Flight 643 (Original Mix) G->G
Tiesto - Suburban Train (Original Mix) Em->Em
Tiesto - Traffic (Max Walder Rmx) Gm->Gm
Tiesto - Traffic (Montana Re-Edit) A#->A#
Tiesto Feat BT - Love Comes Again (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Tiesto Feat BT - Love Comes Agian (Mark Norman Rmx) F->Am
Tiesto feat Kirtsy Hawkshaw - Urban Train (Cosmic Gate Remix) Em->Em
Tiesto Feat. Kirsty Hawkshaw - Just Be (514 Mix)
Tiesto Feat. Kirsty Hawkshaw - Just Be (Antillas Mix)
Tilt - The World Doesn't Know (Original Mix) Gm->Gm
Tomcraft - Lonliness (Club Mix) C#m->C#m
Underworld - Born Slippy (Original Mix) D#->D#
Underworld - Born Slippy (Paul Oakenfold 2003 Rmx) Gm->Gm
Van Eyden Feat. Suzanne Webb - The 1 (Original Mix) B->A#
Van Eyden Feat. Suzanne Webb - The 1 (Sonicvibe Rmx) Bm->Bm
Venom Pres. Kasuma - Dreaming (Original Mix)
Veracocha - Carte Blanche (Original Mix) G#->G#
Warp Brothers - Phatt Bass (Warp Brother's Phatt Mix) A#->A#
Warrior - Warrior (Club Mix) A->Dm
Warrior Feat Imogen Bailey - If U Want Me (Antillas Rmx) F#m->F#m
Warrior Feat Imogen Bailey - If U Want Me (Vocal Mix) F#m->F#m
Whirlpool & Octagen - Alaska (Filo & Peri Mix)
Whirlpool & Octagen - Alaska (Octagen Mix)
Y-Traxx Feat. Neve - Mystery Land (Fred Baker vs Mr.Sam's Mystery Dub) Am->Am
Y-Traxx Feat. Neve - Mystery Land (Fred Baker vs Mr.Sam's Vocal Mix) Am->Am
Yomanda - You're Free (Synth Mix) Fm->Fm
York - O.T.B (On The Beach) (Original Mix) A->Fm
York - The Reachers Of Civilisation (Original Mix) B->B


regards Johnny


Posted by Kev Boy on Nov-01-2004 10:29:

Hey Jonny2003,
I read through your list, don't have that many of those tunes, but spotted some errors with the ones I have.

Alucard - Eyes of a perfect stranger, both mixes are A#m

Binary Finary - 1999, I know the PVD mix is Cm, so perhaps Gm is wrong, but I'm not sure

Above and Beyond - No One on earth. I don't have this, but one mix on your list says Fm, while the other says F. This is unlikely, both will probably be in minor keys.

Endre - I Kill For You Dm (both mixes)

Rioaddicts Gm (both mixes)

Sarah Mclachlan - Fallen (G+D) Dm definitely! Have original as well.

Tiesto - Traffic (Max Walder) D#m

Oakenfold - Hypnotised is tricky. Only has two chords in it. Kowalski mix should be G#, as chords of C, rather than C#, but is open to debate.
Deepsky should be Em or G, whatever thakes your fancy. If Deepsky is Em then Kowalski cannot be C#! Deepsky chords are Bm follwed by C, same as Southern Sun verse, but this is all it has. No obvious chorus like southern sun. Therefore this fits the G scale.

Y-traxx - Mystery Land should probably be C rather than Am, but almost the same thing anyway.

Cheers


Posted by Kev Boy on Nov-01-2004 10:29:

Hey Jonny2003,
I read through your list, don't have that many of those tunes, but spotted some errors with the ones I have.

Alucard - Eyes of a perfect stranger, both mixes are A#m

Binary Finary - 1999, I know the PVD mix is Cm, so perhaps Gm is wrong, but I'm not sure

Above and Beyond - No One on earth. I don't have this, but one mix on your list says Fm, while the other says F. This is unlikely, both will probably be in minor keys.

Endre - I Kill For You Dm (both mixes)

Rioaddicts Gm (both mixes)

Sarah Mclachlan - Fallen (G+D) Dm definitely! Have original as well.

Tiesto - Traffic (Max Walder) D#m

Oakenfold - Hypnotised is tricky. Only has two chords in it. Kowalski mix should be G#, as chords of C, rather than C#, but is open to debate.
Deepsky should be Em or G, whatever thakes your fancy. If Deepsky is Em then Kowalski cannot be C#! Deepsky chords are Bm follwed by C, same as Southern Sun verse, but this is all it has. No obvious chorus like southern sun. Therefore this fits the G scale.

Y-traxx - Mystery Land should probably be C rather than Am, but almost the same thing anyway.

Cheers


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