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Posted by charmscars on Nov-12-2003 20:43:

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Posted by Pixiechick on Nov-12-2003 20:46:

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
I did, but the moment I try to put out the flames here....more gasoline is dumped on me in the form of insults so fuck it. There's no point in even arguing with you people...I know I'm opinionated, but you're just as bad if not worse.

But my point is, is that you don't seem to be trying. You call my stats useless, even though I gave you the sources. As a historian, I would think that you would be most interested in obtaining the sources of facts before validating them to yourself. Instead of relying on "the media" as a source. I can't think of a worse source for information!

Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Nov-12-2003 20:46:

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess
well i'm just defending my program and saying that its much more than set out right answers. science is the search for the right answers which do not exist yet not something that you just automatcially learn at university. history on the other hand is in the past, it already happened, you can analyze the shit out of it and be very good at remembering facts but it doesn't give you anything in return but a better way of thinking about what should have been done.

ever heard the phrase "history repeats itself."? Well, history does repeat itself and maybe if you actually knew anything about the subject, you'd see that history is being repeated all over the world right now and I shouldn't have to tell you where. If you don't know your past, how do you know yourself? See, whenever a political or historical debate comes up in any discussion, it's always the science nerds that are silent. Why? Because they don't know anything other than technical shit that doesn't matter outside of their area of study or profession/career.

Posted by Pixiechick on Nov-12-2003 20:49:

Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Nov-12-2003 20:50:

Oh, and may I point out that all the men in power in democracies are usually people who have an education grounded in social science? How often do you see a chemical engineer become the prime Minister of Canada? Probably never...it's always lawyers, scholars and businessmen who run countries.

Posted by charmscars on Nov-12-2003 20:52:

Posted by Pixiechick on Nov-12-2003 20:52:

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Oh, and may I point out that all the men in power in democracies are usually people who have an education grounded in social science? How often do you see a chemical engineer become the prime Minister of Canada? Probably never...it's always lawyers, scholars and businessmen who run countries.

Hence why so many countries are a bloody mess. You'd think that if we knew our past, then we wouldn't have lawyers, scholars and businessmen in positions of power anymore.

Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Nov-12-2003 20:52:

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Originally posted by Pixiechick
Don't even go there ladies. It's SO not worth it.

Why shouldn't you go there? Maybe because in any social/political or historical debate, I'll use you to wipe my ass with perhaps? My friend is an excellent example of a smart science type that knows fuck all about what's going in this world. By his own admission, the only intelligent things that he can talk about are coding and software engineering...and every time a debate comes up, he can't say anything becaue he knows fuck all. A lot of science types are like that, I find.

Posted by charmscars on Nov-12-2003 20:55:

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Oh, and may I point out that all the men in power in democracies are usually people who have an education grounded in social science? How often do you see a chemical engineer become the prime Minister of Canada? Probably never...it's always lawyers, scholars and businessmen who run countries.

so the be all and end all is being in politics?

engineers have extremely high rates of becoming CEO's whish is nothing to scoff at, and in a time of a global economy that is often a more powerful position than being in politics (this coming from a poli sci major)

Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Nov-12-2003 20:55:

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Originally posted by Pixiechick
Hence why so many countries are a bloody mess. You'd think that if we knew our past, then we wouldn't have lawyers, scholars and businessmen in positions of power anymore.

Well, see...countries with a past to be proud of (like Canada, Britain, European nations, and to some extent the USA)....well our countries aren't a bloody mess because the scholars and politicians have looked at our past, recognised what was wrong and made sure it never happened (or may happen) again.

Posted by Pixiechick on Nov-12-2003 20:56:

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Why shouldn't you go there? Maybe because in any social/political or historical debate, I'll use you to wipe my ass with perhaps?

I wouldn't go there because you are not a good listener.
And is that the kind of attitude that you use when you normally interact with people in the "real world"?

Posted by charmscars on Nov-12-2003 20:56:

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Why shouldn't you go there? Maybe because in any social/political or historical debate, I'll use you to wipe my ass with perhaps? My friend is an excellent example of a smart science type that knows fuck all about what's going in this world. By his own admission, the only intelligent things that he can talk about are coding and software engineering...and every time a debate comes up, he can't say anything becaue he knows fuck all. A lot of science types are like that, I find.

i guess the ppl i know in science are more well-rounded than your friend.

Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Nov-12-2003 20:58:

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Originally posted by charmscars
so the be all and end all is being in politics?

engineers have extremely high rates of becoming CEO's whish is nothing to scoff at, and in a time of a global economy that is often a more powerful position than being in politics (this coming from a poli sci major)

no, it's not the be all and end all...but political positions are far more important than being an executive at Nortel (like my uncle). Politicians directly influence our lives and shape our future and to do that effectively, they should know their history well. What I'm doing here is refuting Stereo Princess's foolish comment that all historian's do is analyse the past and have no use in present day. What an idiotic thing to say.

Posted by Pixiechick on Nov-12-2003 20:58:

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Well, see...countries with a past to be proud of (like Canada, Britain, European nations, and to some extent the USA)....well our countries aren't a bloody mess because the scholars and politicians have looked at our past, recognised what was wrong and made sure it never happened (or may happen) again.

There are A LOT of things in any of those country's pasts that I wouldn't be proud of. Including ours.

Posted by charmscars on Nov-12-2003 20:58:

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Originally posted by Pixiechick
I wouldn't go there because you are not a good listener.
And is that the kind of attitude that you use when you normally interact with people in the "real world"?

i need to take a break from this thread. smitty has zero listening skills, and that is what i think is frustrating evetryone

Posted by Pixiechick on Nov-12-2003 21:01:

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Originally posted by charmscars
i need to take a break from this thread. smitty has zero listening skills, and that is what i think is frustrating evetryone

I know. Me too. I got sucked in despite my best intentions!

Oh well...

Posted by StereoPrincess on Nov-12-2003 21:01:

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
ever heard the phrase "history repeats itself."? Well, history does repeat itself and maybe if you actually knew anything about the subject, you'd see that history is being repeated all over the world right now and I shouldn't have to tell you where. If you don't know your past, how do you know yourself? See, whenever a political or historical debate comes up in any discussion, it's always the science nerds that are silent. Why? Because they don't know anything other than technical shit that doesn't matter outside of their area of study or profession/career.

You didn't just call me a science nerd, did you? Techincal shit that doesn't matter beyond their area of study? Let me tell you, you wouldn't fucking exist right now if there were no "science nerds". There would be no food to eat, no water to drink, no air to breathe and no fucking sunlight to enjoy. Take you head out of your ass buddy and recognize that you are not studying history because you think its necessary, you are studying it to get into Law school and be an idiot lawyer and make money. Do you honestly believe that you can change the world by studying the past? I can change the quality of life that people lead and I actually care about it. What the fuck do you care about? An 85% on your essay. Congrats, you win the super prize.

So what if history repeats itself? The whole point is to not repeat it. If the inevitible repeating of history is going to happen anyways then I can just catch it as it occurs. Why study it over and over again?

Posted by charmscars on Nov-12-2003 21:01:

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
no, it's not the be all and end all...but political positions are far more important than being an executive at Nortel (like my uncle). Politicians directly influence our lives and shape our future and to do that effectively, they should know their history well. What I'm doing here is refuting Stereo Princess's foolish comment that all historian's do is analyse the past and have no use in present day. What an idiotic thing to say.

you can't argue w/ the fact that there are CEO's that have more impact on the world than politicians (this is not what i consider a good thing, but it is a truth nonetheless)

Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Nov-12-2003 21:02:

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Originally posted by charmscars
i need to take a break from this thread. smitty has zero listening skills, and that is what i think is frustrating evetryone

no, I just have an unflinching desire to support my opinions. I know there are people who agree with me, but the three or four of you are hopeless.

Posted by Dj Smitty20 on Nov-12-2003 21:03:

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Originally posted by Pixiechick
There are A LOT of things in any of those country's pasts that I wouldn't be proud of. Including ours.

and what would those things be? Name me 2 or 3...come on.

Posted by Endlesswave on Nov-12-2003 21:04:

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
no, I just have an unflinching desire to support my opinions.

Ok, support your opinion that e is lethal. Plz. I want to know how taking e is like taking rat poison and will kill me.

Posted by charmscars on Nov-12-2003 21:04:

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Well, see...countries with a past to be proud of (like Canada, Britain, European nations, and to some extent the USA)....well our countries aren't a bloody mess because the scholars and politicians have looked at our past, recognised what was wrong and made sure it never happened (or may happen) again.

you call yourself a historian?

hahahahahahaha

please refer to your academic library and take out the book "none is too many" by abella and troper.

now i am done.

Posted by Pixiechick on Nov-12-2003 21:05:

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
no, I just have an unflinching desire to support my opinions. I know there are people who agree with me, but the three or four of you are hopeless.

Unflinching = not listening, in your VERY particular case.

And I beg to differ about the "hopeless" bit. You don't even know any of us, and haven't even tried to even listen to us, so I think you're more on your way to becoming hopeless than we are. Very nice. Very classy smitty.

Posted by charmscars on Nov-12-2003 21:05:

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
and what would those things be? Name me 2 or 3...come on.

please refer to my last post.

oh..and there's also pesky slavery in the US, that thing we did..what was that..oh yeah..japanese internment.

Posted by Pixiechick on Nov-12-2003 21:07:

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
and what would those things be? Name me 2 or 3...come on.

Okay, WWI and WWII are the first big ones that come to mind. Our past and present treatment of First Nations people. Our past and present treatment of our natural resources. George W. Bush. Vietnam War. Gulf War.

And these are a few of my least favorite things...

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