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Originally posted by DaveSaenz I believe in equality and equal rights under the law. Either the state needs to get out of the business of marriage, or it should treat everyone equally. I'll leave it at that.

Thank you. I believe that the state shouldn't care a less about people's romantic relationships.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 It is possible, as the social surroundings are often influential on human sexuality. Some societies who favored gays (Rome, Greece) had unusually large gay populations. I guess that's what made Roman demographic picture that bad. They tried and tried but could never get each other pregnant

I'm going to provide two contradictions:

1. It's also possible that people are naturally attracted to whatever they are attracted to and CANNOT, no matter how hard they try, to deny or change it. Let me use myself as a few examples... I consider myself bi-/pan-sexual, because even though I'm very strongly attracted to females, I sometimes feel a pull towards certain males as well. Something similar goes for my physical attractions towards women: On average, I'm sexually aroused with a much higher number of Asian-dessent women than other etnicities. That does NOT say that I don't feel physical attraction or that I'm prejudious towards women of other ethnic groups either. Another example I can say is that big breasts and 'heavy' women don't physically attract me nearly as much as petite, skinny women and women that barely have noticeable breasts. This is something that I cannot control or deny. This leads into what I'll state secondly...

2. Most people are attracted to different feelings, sounds, smells, (food) taste, and sights. Not many people are attracted to all of the exact same combination of variables indicated above. Look at this board as an example of sounds: The majority of us on here loves the sounds of Electronica. We can't really change what we are so attracted to, no matter how hard we might try to change it, for whatever reason. People ask me to listen to other music that I don't like. I listen to it and if I don't like it, I tell them so, and they ask why. They ask why. It's very hard for me to answer anything else besides 'It doesn't have the particular sounds that I'm attracted to in it'.

Food taste is another big one as well: Some people love the taste of certain foods more than others. On the other hand, some people gag and practically vommit from tasting certain foods, while others eat it and love it. Some of this can be changed. It's possible to force yourself to eat a certain food. It's NOT all that possible to force yourself to love the taste of a food you once hated or has once gotten you sick.

Society can only make you think differently about these variables or reasons that vary but, can never change yoour true inner feelings towards it. Another example might be this: There are 10 people in a room. One person silently passes gas (farts) and it ends up having a really destinct smell to it. 9 people complain and say 'how gross it is', etc. One person (which may or may not be the person who actually fartted) likes the smell but, since everyone's complaining about it, s/he feels obliged to complain as well (even though s/he actually likes the smell and really is lieing just to not be descriminated against by the rest of the people in the room), since the rest of the room is.

Visual taste & attraction is another wide variable. For the purposes of this synopsis, I'm just going to use colour as an example:
Many people associate colours with objects, sounds, thoughts, people, etc. Very often, the colour 'pink' is deeply associated with the female gender and the colour 'blue' is associated with the male gender in my society. (BTW, I like both equally but, I like purple more than both, ) There are some parent(s) of children who, even though the children are educated enough to and should have a choice of what colour their room is painted, if it's painted, it may not be what the child's choice was and the parent(s) ended up choosing the colour that's more associated with their gender in our society, just because 'it looks better in [her or his] room'. I believe that if people can make their choice, they should be allowed to, without any exception.

Society has not molded what I feel is beautiful or ugly at all. I don't feel more attracted to Asian women (or women at all), Electronic music, the colour purple, or any other variable because of what type of society I live in. Maybe you can contradict and say 'if [X] didn't exist, then you wouldn't be attracted to it' but, is all that would do is make me feel more alienated in society because I don't feel attracted to what does exist as much as other people.

I may edit this post and add more later on... Please let me know what you think and if you find something contradictory, please quote where and maturely state why. Thanks...

ali92, you're not quite correct in what you said. While the reasons which determine what you like are of course partially genetic, they are also partially social and experiential (yes it's a word). You may like purple, but would you like purple if you had been raised in a different environment? Maybe, maybe not. Now, here's an example about food that is opposite to what you said. I used to hate cheese. And when I was in the US high school, they often served cheeseburgers only, so there was no alternative to eating them. After a while I stopped hating them, and now I like cheese. Most psychologists will agree that there's about a 50:50 ratio on the impact of genes versus the environment on what we like.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 ali92, you're not quite correct in what you said. While the reasons which determine what you like are of course partially genetic, they are also partially social and experiential (yes it's a word). You may like purple, but would you like purple if you had been raised in a different environment? Maybe, maybe not. Now, here's an example about food that is opposite to what you said. I used to hate cheese. And when I was in the US high school, they often served cheeseburgers only, so there was no alternative to eating them. After a while I stopped hating them, and now I like cheese. Most psychologists will agree that there's about a 50:50 ratio on the impact of genes versus the environment on what we like.

I know what you mean. I used to hate humans, but eventually I got used to them.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 ali92, you're not quite correct in what you said. While the reasons which determine what you like are of course partially genetic, they are also partially social and experiential (yes it's a word). You may like purple, but would you like purple if you had been raised in a different environment? Maybe, maybe not. Now, here's an example about food that is opposite to what you said. I used to hate cheese. And when I was in the US high school, they often served cheeseburgers only, so there was no alternative to eating them. After a while I stopped hating them, and now I like cheese. Most psychologists will agree that there's about a 50:50 ratio on the impact of genes versus the environment on what we like.

OK, I didn't really think very much about it. I typed it pretty much as I was thinking about it. 50-50 sounds right. An example of society influence: School (a part of society) shaped a lot of my life as well. My family didn't like sexual minorities or Afro-American people very much 10 years ago but, since school always raised me (and my generation) to respect everyone and treat everyone as equals, that's why I'm not against anyone and respect everyone equally.

One thing I worry about sometimes is my subconscience: Even though I'm not against any specific type of people, I may be worried that the opposite may be occuring in my subconscience mind, the preference & extremely high interest in anything of 'foreign' origin. The reason that made me wonder about such things is because I'm biased in things I buy. I prefer European automobiles over most others but, not for a very concrete reason (not looks, either). I'm in no way a mechanic and can't prove that cars from one place are as good or worse than cars from other places. The same goes for electronics: If I see the 'Made in Japan' on it, I'd buy it WAY over the one made anywhere else. If this 'bias' exists for other things, it can be bad because it shows that my conscience is hiding something that definitely exists but, is being hidden away, in my subconscience. I try to behave as unbiased as possible when I speak to people but, it would be hypocripsy (?) to myself if I didn't follow those same examples, wouldn't it. Is it possible to change something deep in your subconscienous that can be very bad if it gets to the conscienous level?

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