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Originally posted by dukes that is one of the most racist things ive ever heard! if you want anyone to respect or even listen to your points of view i would sugest refraining from making these kinds of remarks.

WTF are you talking about dukes? Someone must of have stolen your e pills. You don't tell me that there is no difference between Ireland and Iraq? Maybe you should get out more often.

US Mates, how many iraqis do you know? How many from NI? Being part of this happy willing group thing, ie Australian i'm just keen to know how my American brothers feel. I actually know quite a few from both country. If you are trying to tell me that one are real people and the other are apes that enjoy blowing themselves up, please take of the KKK hood and look at it a little less simplisticly. The US soldiers thought the viet cong where subhuman too, and yes members of my family served there. How well did that work? I think the viet cong proved they were not apes and beat you, due to more intelligent tactics, especially from General Vo Nguyen Giap. I have friends that are from NI. vietnam, cambodia and iraq. I'm from melbourne quite a multicultural place. My friends from iraq, vietnam, ireland are not subhuman, they have the same basic needs a wants in life. Same as the people in iraq and everywhere else. Maybe if you had met some of these people you wouldn't be quite as keen to kill them.

I don't think the argument is about Iraqees being sub-humans (not in my case at least). I think we're talking about shooting civilians. Which is very unfortunate and sad but this happens in every war.
I would think as a soldier you don't want to shoot civilians and non-combatants but being in a highly stressful and lethal environment where you see your friends die, judgement becomes or even normal thinking is serioulsy impaired.

I'm not a born American, but actually asian. America did pull out of Vietnam; that doesn't necessarily mean that the US lost the war. North Vietnam lost over 1 million troops compared to 55,000 us troops if I'm correct. There are many factors that resulted in the US withdrawing from Vietnam.

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Originally posted by DjSway I think we're talking about shooting civilians. Which is very unfortunate and sad but this happens in every war. I would think as a soldier you don't want to shoot civilians and non-combatants but being in a highly stressful and lethal environment where you see your friends die, judgement becomes or even normal thinking is serioulsy impaired.

Yeah but people on here and some other sources say the American troops are using a policy of "If in doubt.....shoot it out" which is actually illegal. I mean obviously there are going to be civilian casualtys but a policy of "if in doubt....shoot it out" or in some cases "if doubt......take out the whole neighbourhood with artilary" is self defeating.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Geeze that offends you and you find it racist? Kinda sensitive aren't you?

i dont find it ofencive(i am not easily offended) but i do think it serves to prove that the author of the racist coment has no equal veiw of both sides of the argument

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Originally posted by occrider If one group was willing to sacrifice their lives as opposed to taking risks with their lives, that's some kind of indication that the level of "brainwashing" is slightly different.

no because the NI terorists didnt believe that they were going to a better place in the same way as the iraqis do. this is due to religeous factors not from levels of "brainwashing"




fact of matter who has had more experiance dealing with terrorist tacktics US or UK?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dukes
i dont find it ofencive(i am not easily offended) but i do think it serves to prove that the author of the racist coment has no equal veiw of both sides of the argument

huh... who said it was a racist comment? Only you. I think you are sensitive, I think everyone one else understood that I was referring to state of mind, not implying any negative comments about them being retarded. u tard!

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Originally posted by DjSway huh... who said it was a racist comment? Only you. I think you are sensitive, I think everyone one else understood that I was referring to state of mind, not implying any negative comments about them being retarded. u tard!

well fair enough if it wasnt a racist coment. but can you not point this out in a civilised maner without using an abusive manner?

have i actualy done something to oppress you or harm you in any way where you feel it necisary to verbaly attack me? it does not do any good only emohisises the fact that you do not seem tolerant/undersatnding of others. which makes me wonder how much you could possably understand about how the iraqis really feel.

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Originally posted by dukes well fair enough if it wasnt a racist coment. but can you not point this out in a civilised maner without using an abusive manner? have i actualy done something to oppress you or harm you in any way where you feel it necisary to verbaly attack me? it does not do any good only emohisises the fact that you do not seem tolerant/undersatnding of others. which makes me wonder how much you could possably understand about how the iraqis really feel.

Duke I don't know if you got up the wrong side of your bed but I don't get it. Where in my previous post have I abused iraqis? I only stated that there is a difference between Ireland and Iraq. Anyways, I'm bored now...

Sorry to change the direction of the chat but....

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America did pull out of Vietnam; that doesn't necessarily mean that the US lost the war.

True it doesn't mean they lost... but they did lose... I am an Australian, and so quite involved if somewhat forgoten, and we lost, it was a war you could never win. I think it's time to understand that. Maybe when you work that out US + Australia/etc won't be in Iraq.

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