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Originally posted by keithos27 dude, fuck that... if you invested your hard time and money into it and were trying to support yourself and/or your famiily, you would understand where he is coming from. i truthfully have no problem with people dling music to "sample" the song, but i strongly support buying music to support the artist... i have spent over 6,000 dollars just this past year in music. -keith

I can only say, well done man!!! and.....I wish that there were some millions more like you !!


Regards

Yiannis

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Originally posted by Power Plant I can only say, well done man!!! and.....I wish that there were some millions more like you !! Regards Yiannis

well there isnt alot of people that have 6k to spend on records..u have to remember that most of the edm fans r young so they r probably in school or saving up for school...most students cant afford to pay 10 bucks for a vinyl that turns out to be crap of a tune.

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Originally posted by Frase It comes down to the old point..... I want a Ford Mustang GT40 but i have to wait 3-6 months before its released in the UK. So because i dont want to wait, im going to go out and steal the nearest one i can find. See, your theory works on paper, but the majority of people are impatient. Their has to promotion of the track and hype. Hence the delay in hearing it to it being available to purchase. The problem here ISNT the labels, its the mp3 groups who think the whole scene revolves around them, with their so called 'releases' thinking that themselves are their own record label. When people realise that the problem lies not with the record labels, but with the filesharing & release groups then maybe people will start to agree more and work with labels. Once this problem goes you might see a change in the way music is released by labels, maybe even quicker release dates from when you hear this. But this is down to DJ's overkilling the track more to the label itself handing out the promos

I still disagree with the release groups being the problem. Sure they ARE the ones who rip the tracks and put them out there, there's some blame in that. But, you can't place ALL the blame on them. After all, ripping and releasing tracks is what they do. That's essentially their job (so to speak).

Ok, maybe some of the problem does not lie within the labels, but YOU GUYS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN MATERIAL. Like what was said before, release group members are always signed up to the promo lists. That is just asking for it. Instead of bitching out people who download and the release groups, maybe you should try to adapt to the changes. Try to use your head and overcome this problem creatively, possibly with other forms of promotion or distribution.

Since I don't own/run a label, I don't know what else to tell you. You tell me.

MP3's are not going away. Unless you have some kind of sixth sense that can immediately identify the names and addresses of every single release group member, I'd work with the current situation. (That would be pretty cool, btw, then all you could do is hand those names to the authorities and the groups are gone!)

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue I still disagree with the release groups being the problem. Sure they ARE the ones who rip the tracks and put them out there, there's some blame in that. But, you can't place ALL the blame on them. After all, ripping and releasing tracks is what they do. That's essentially their job (so to speak). Ok, maybe some of the problem does not lie within the labels, but YOU GUYS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN MATERIAL. Like what was said before, release group members are always signed up to the promo lists. That is just asking for it. Instead of bitching out people who download and the release groups, maybe you should try to adapt to the changes. Try to use your head and overcome this problem creatively, possibly with other forms of promotion or distribution. Since I don't own/run a label, I don't know what else to tell you. You tell me. MP3's are not going away. Unless you have some kind of sixth sense that can immediately identify the names and addresses of every single release group member, I'd work with the current situation. (That would be pretty cool, btw, then all you could do is hand those names to the authorities and the groups are gone!)

i agree..mp3's are here to stay..fighting mp3s is fighting an uphill battle..i mean napster got closed audiogalaxy poped up,AG got closed..kazaa poped up and now there are torrents..face it, it is not going anywhere..trying to make people feel bad for downloading wont work either...try to emrace it somehow or roll with the punches. for every problem there is usually a solution however cryin and the " you should be ashamed method" arent one of em.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic dude ur car analogy sucks..first of all if the car isnt out yet then almost nobody will have it so how can u " steal it "..or do they send out car promos now..u cant compare stealing a car to downloading an mp3..if it was easy to steal cars as it is to download a track there would be a hell of alot of stolen cars..it is not a matter of integrity it is a matter of convinience.

As a matter of fact, technically there are car promo's. Over here in the UK there is a show called 'Top Gear' they get to review and test drive the cars months before their due out for release.

Still the same principle.

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But, you can't place ALL the blame on them. After all, ripping and releasing tracks is what they do. That's essentially their job (so to speak).

The blame is on them totally, how else would it get out there? If there werent release groups then they wouldn't be out there.

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Originally posted by Frase @Intrigue: The blame is on them totally, how else would it get out there? If there werent release groups then they wouldn't be out there.

Instead of bitching, tell me what you are going to do about it? What is your plan, not hassling downloaders & sharers, I hope. That won't work. Be proactive. I have not seen any decent responses as to what you plan on doing to creatively combat this. There must be different ways of promotion/distribution. If you can't think of any, you are no different than the RIAA who cannot adapt either. I'd hate to see the EDM scene turn this direction. So, TELL ME.

I have already gave you a weak point, promo lists filled with release group members. It is YOU who ultimately sent out the tracks, you HAVE to know there are risks involved. Your argument is getting pretty damn old now.

Also, I'd like to know what you have to say about the dj's/producers who SUPPORT mp3's and downloading. Do you have a disliking towards them since they feel this way?

many people that download these mp3's and include them in their mix are the ones who wouldnt go out and buy it anyways. they are lame bedroom computer dj's and probably dont get in front of a crowd and spin, or release their "mp3" mixed cd's. Soooo.... nothing lost there, but much gained - THEY ARE PLAYING YOUR TUNE FOR FREE AND GETTING THE SOUND AND THE WORD OUT.

Think of it as free PR, free Marketing. People will download, and yes, there's those who will NEVER BUY, but those that DO buy the records, are the ones who usually and ALWAYS buy and support for the purpose of spinning in clubs, raves etc.

I'm a bit suprised you didnt see this coming - In THIS day and age. I probably have the tune already, and chances are I havent listened to it as i dont with 90% of the music i download. If i really like it, i'll buy it to have the quality sound, otherwise I wouldnt have bought it anyways, and it probably wont get any playing time on my winamp anyways....

anyways, good luck to you and your artists.

JM

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue Instead of bitching, tell me what you are going to do about it? What is your plan, not hassling downloaders & sharers, I hope. That won't work. Be proactive. I have not seen any decent responses as to what you plan on doing to creatively combat this. There must be different ways of promotion/distribution. If you can't think of any, you are no different than the RIAA who cannot adapt either. I'd hate to see the EDM scene turn this direction. So, TELL ME. I have already gave you a weak point, promo lists filled with release group members. It is YOU who ultimately sent out the tracks, you HAVE to know there are risks involved. Your argument is getting pretty damn old now. Also, I'd like to know what you have to say about the dj's/producers who SUPPORT mp3's and downloading. Do you have a disliking towards them since they feel this way?

it seems that the only thing people against mp3's r doing about the situation is sayin "Shame on you", boo fuckin hoo..come up with a real solution...help us help you..Guilt factor wont work for shit

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue Instead of bitching, tell me what you are going to do about it? What is your plan, not hassling downloaders & sharers, I hope. That won't work. Be proactive. I have not seen any decent responses as to what you plan on doing to creatively combat this. There must be different ways of promotion/distribution. If you can't think of any, you are no different than the RIAA who cannot adapt either. I'd hate to see the EDM scene turn this direction. So, TELL ME.

The only plan i can really see of control over it is by getting a new audio format out there, better than mp3 in terms of quality but will offer much more digital rights management.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue I have already gave you a weak point, promo lists filled with release group members. It is YOU who ultimately sent out the tracks, you HAVE to know there are risks involved. Your argument is getting pretty damn old now.

Yes, i can see that point totally now. A good shake up of promo lists is really in order. How these people get the tunes without having to fill in reaction sheets is beyond me. But i have heard on the grapevine that one famous name happily passes on the stuff he gets to a friend who leaks it out to the release groups

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue Also, I'd like to know what you have to say about the dj's/producers who SUPPORT mp3's and downloading. Do you have a disliking towards them since they feel this way?

I don't think there are many dj's and producers which would support it to be honest. DJ's which actively download mp3's and play out (yes there are actually who do this, and have been caught) are made sure they never get bookings at that club again. So DJ's who want gigs don't support it. Producers is a funny one, if they support it then fair play but i don't want to hear them complain if their track is all over the place and they don't get a penny for their hard work.

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Originally posted by JM many people that download these mp3's and include them in their mix are the ones who wouldnt go out and buy it anyways. they are lame bedroom computer dj's and probably dont get in front of a crowd and spin, or release their "mp3" mixed cd's. Soooo.... nothing lost there, but much gained - THEY ARE PLAYING YOUR TUNE FOR FREE AND GETTING THE SOUND AND THE WORD OUT.

The word out to who exactly, bedroom dj's aint really in the catchment area where they play out to a regular crowd each week (hence why promo lists are there).

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Frase, your defending the labels, which you have a right to do. And lots of people are attacking you, so your in an unenviable position. And having said that I apologize for what I am about to say... but

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Originally posted by Frase Once this problem goes you might see a change in the way music is released by labels

That is the stupidest thing i've ever read here. Ever. If the plan of the labels is really to stick their heads in the sand and scream "Vinyl FOREVER!" then they are so out of touch with reality as to defy logic.

Are you familiar with the classic song "Video killed the radio star"? Of course you are. MP3's have mortally wounded vinyl distribution and cd distribution. Both are dead. Which means record stores are dead, they just don't know it yet.

Apple itunes has sold over 100 million songs in little over a year.

Here is my only question for you...
I hear a great new song from Anjunabeats premiered on Asot. Tell me ONE legitimate reason why I can't pop over to some website immediately and pay for it in mp3 format. Just one reason is all I ask. I've sampled your product. I want to buy it. The technology exists to sell it to me without any hassles. So why aren't you doing it! Expecting fans of trance to buy RECORD PLAYERS in 2004 is a joke.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...lts&pollid=3440

According to that poll over 95% of the people on this website appreciate the mp3 format and internet distribution. We are your target audience.

The bottom line is that you guys had better decide if you are in the vinyl business or the music business.

By that comment mate i meant that once the labels have more control over their releases it means they can get the stuff out there sooner on acceptable formats for them

Not that they're screaming vinyl forever lol

Apologies for not making it clearer

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Originally posted by Subey Here is my only question for you... I hear a great new song from Anjunabeats premiered on Asot. Tell me ONE legitimate reason why I can't pop over to some website immediately and pay for it in mp3 format. Just one reason is all I ask. I've sampled your product. I want to buy it. The technology exists to sell it to me without any hassles. So why aren't you doing it! Expecting fans of trance to buy RECORD PLAYERS in 2004 is a joke.

In reference to that, everyone must remember that to make the money back intially hype has to be created for the release. This is done by radio shows playing it constantly. This generates a demand for the track and thus selling to achieve the sales.

If you all put money and effort into running a label you'd understand the need to hold back tunes sometimes to create a demand.

sadly im very much sure that you wont be able to stop promos being ripped and shared before retail vinyl release, however you can limit the intensity with methods described in the thread. Maybe limit the promos to trustworthy DJ's? (i hardly think Armin van Buuren would leak it lol) or lock vinyls away safely?

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Originally posted by Frase If you all put money and effort into running a label you'd understand the need to hold back tunes sometimes to create a demand.

If only most labels actually knew how to run a proper business, things would be going way better.

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Posted on behalf of Andy Bagguley

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I have asked the MODS on here to lock this thread as my point has got lost in the argument for and against MP3 file sharing. I am very much against these groups, as you may gather, and will endeavour to find the individual(s) on our select mailing list who are leaking tracks. We as a label at TRR are looking into legal MP3 downloading of our tracks but it will take sometime to arrange. Thanks for all your comments on this topic whether you agree or dissagree with me. It has certainly opened my eyes to different opinions worldwide on the subject. And when "Whirlpool & Octagen - Alaska (Filo & Peri Mix + Octagen Mix)" is released (3 - 4 weeks time), I really hope some of you who have downloaded and supported the track so far, will continue to suppport by purchasing the vinyl. For those who haven't heard the track, there are samples on our website: www.tr-recordings.co.uk Thanks Andy Bagguley

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