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Posted by Ory on Dec-20-2004 21:18:

If the producer sucks, then wouldn't the listener suck too? Think about it.

Posted by Durrrtysouth on Dec-20-2004 21:30:

Have you noticed that all this bitching and negativity only started here on TA when the Global Underground message board was shut down (which by the way was nothing but Sasha and Digweed ass kissers and slagging everything else).

Someone please start that board up again so these poor helpless progheads can have a place to bitch and moan again.

Posted by speedracer_mec on Dec-20-2004 21:34:

Fact is

Derek howell, Shiloh, Digital Witchcraft, Habersham, Wrecked Angle who are real progressive breaks dj's should NEVER EVER EVER EVER send their tunes to Markus S.

They will fall victims of the over-cheesey McProg Transformation Movement

Posted by Ory on Dec-20-2004 21:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Durrrtysouth
Have you noticed that all this bitching and negativity only started here on TA when the Global Underground message board was shut down (which by the way was nothing but Sasha and Digweed ass kissers and slagging everything else).

Someone please start that board up again so these poor helpless progheads can have a place to bitch and moan again.

Yes, I only listen to prog house. This is about what is a quality production and what is not.

Posted by TOR on Dec-20-2004 21:37:

quote:
Originally posted by speedracer_mec
Fact is

Derek howell, Shiloh, Digital Witchcraft, Habersham, Wrecked Angle who are real progressive breaks dj's should NEVER EVER EVER EVER send their tunes to Markus S.

They will fall victims of the over-cheesey McProg Transformation Movement

yes, something that could happen in the future is a fact.

Posted by speedracer_mec on Dec-20-2004 21:49:

Leama and moor are walking down the same road and are knee deep into the genre now. Producing for the masses and sacrificing quality.

See melodica and remix of zoo york.
Now see:
State of Matter....ASOT weekly.

Meanwhile the true progressive DJ's producing real progressive are having their genre completely ruined by Markus S.

Posted by Ory on Dec-20-2004 21:55:

Yup... Leama & Moor's best is definitely their remix of Zoo York. Everything else is pretty crap.

Posted by stevebutabi on Dec-20-2004 21:57:

so you're saying guys like markus schultz are ruining progressive by pulling good prog producers into their cheesy sound?

i don't know man... have you heard any sasha or sander k sets recently? they're good as ever, regardless of the presence of 'mcprog'... i haven't noticed a dip in progressive quality at all since markus schultz has showed up.

if you don't like markus's sound than just don't listen to it... it's not like his sound has been affecting the music that you and i love.

doesn't markus schultz post on this website sometimes? this thread has mentioned him once or twice what do you have to say about all this markus?

Posted by speedracer_mec on Dec-20-2004 21:59:

ASOT:
sign to ASOT and a guranteed remix by Perry O'Neil or Robert Nickson

GDJB:
Have Markus play it and maybe expect a ColdHarbor Edition Remix or... if they don't have room for your release, let's throw it on a coldharbour vinyl

Posted by Durrrtysouth on Dec-20-2004 22:23:

quote:
Originally posted by speedracer_mec
ASOT:
sign to ASOT and a guranteed remix by Perry O'Neil or Robert Nickson

GDJB:
Have Markus play it and maybe expect a ColdHarbor Edition Remix or... if they don't have room for your release, let's throw it on a coldharbour vinyl

One thing that I do have to say for GDJB/ASOT, they make artists popular, whereas you could make a track for the obscure techno/prog DJ sets and nobody will have a clue who the artists are because these DJs dont like to tell anyone what they play.

Posted by Camwin on Dec-20-2004 23:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Ory
If the producer sucks, then wouldn't the listener suck too? Think about it.

.............DONE! The one word that needs to be chucked in your mind is the word "OPINION"!! But because you think the world revolves around you and what isn't Prog House sucks. So basically the majority of people suck to you. I think you suck, not because of what you listen to but because of the way you act, the things you say that are childish. If you stated that you liked John Digweed then i would respect that, but if you say that everyone who listens to 'Mcprog' sux then i would say once again you need to grow up.

Posted by A.J. on Dec-20-2004 23:48:

quote:
Originally posted by memusa
Why do you think guys like Perry or Ozgur are producing so many tracks with the same sound? Yes, because people dig that sound. If people dig that sound, does it necesarilly mean it is cheese? No. Not everything that's popular is cheese...get that into your heads.

I don't "dig that sound".

Posted by speedracer_mec on Dec-21-2004 00:07:

quote:
Originally posted by A.J.
I don't "dig that sound".

ROFL

BACKLASH has begun!!!

Posted by A.J. on Dec-21-2004 00:11:

Posted by n0bben on Dec-21-2004 00:14:

quote:
Originally posted by stevebutabi

also as for labelling things, it's just part of western civ.
we're a society based on rationalism- we like to be able to make sense out of everything and put labels on everything

so true, and it bores me to hell

Posted by Ian on Dec-21-2004 00:28:

quote:
Originally posted by A.J.
I don't "dig that sound".

but it's sick. so many 'tight' tunes

Posted by Durrrtysouth on Dec-21-2004 00:48:

quote:
Originally posted by speedracer_mec
ROFL

BACKLASH has begun!!!

And as the thread starter, I think that was your only motive to stir up as much shit as you can. Why dont you just give it a rest.

BTW: if it wasnt for Markus/Armin (GDJB/ASOT) Derek Howell would still be unknown.

Posted by Mike_Foyle on Dec-21-2004 00:49:

i duno what to say about this topic.. personally i love most of the "mc prog" that i hear. i dont really understand why people bitch about it so much, like everyone else has said, if you dont like it then dont listen to it. its quite simple... also, i think that people as full of hate as some of you mc prog haters, are the people who are ruining the genre by being so negative all the time, not markus... hes just doing his thing, perfectly inocently, and yet there are people who have posted in this thread who are saying he should be killed... its fucking stupid. chill out a bit, let people like what they like...

Posted by Ory on Dec-21-2004 00:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Camwin
.............DONE! The one word that needs to be chucked in your mind is the word "OPINION"!! But because you think the world revolves around you and what isn't Prog House sucks. So basically the majority of people suck to you. I think you suck, not because of what you listen to but because of the way you act, the things you say that are childish. If you stated that you liked John Digweed then i would respect that, but if you say that everyone who listens to 'Mcprog' sux then i would say once again you need to grow up.

You didn't really think about what I said, did you? The producers have bad taste to be producing unoriginal crap just to make money on what is tried and tested, so the listeners must be just as bad.

Posted by Mike_Foyle on Dec-21-2004 00:51:

Posted by Az on Dec-21-2004 00:53:

Posted by Ory on Dec-21-2004 00:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
i duno what to say about this topic.. personally i love most of the "mc prog" that i hear. i dont really understand why people bitch about it so much, like everyone else has said, if you dont like it then dont listen to it. its quite simple... also, i think that people as full of hate as some of you mc prog haters, are the people who are ruining the genre by being so negative all the time, not markus... hes just doing his thing, perfectly inocently, and yet there are people who have posted in this thread who are saying he should be killed... its fucking stupid. chill out a bit, let people like what they like...

OMG, here we go again. We wouldn't have to bitch about it if it wasn't so crap.

Posted by Mike_Foyle on Dec-21-2004 00:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Ory
OMG, here we go again. We wouldn't have to bitch about it if it wasn't so crap.

you dont have to bitch about it even if it is crap.. why dont you get over the fact that it exists, and go lock yourself in your bedroom and listen to music that you do like.

Posted by Durrrtysouth on Dec-21-2004 00:58:

Mike, there are only a handful of people stirring up this drama, they are getting off on seeing this topic get this much attention.

Your tune is awesome BTW, one of the best of the year!!!

Keep up the good work!

Posted by Az on Dec-21-2004 00:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
you dont have to bitch about it even if it is crap.. why dont you get over the fact that it exists, and go lock yourself in your bedroom and listen to music that you do like.

but it's giving the music he likes a bad name, so surely he has a right to bitch about it

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