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Originally posted by UWM I suppose the supersaw synths, higher BPM, etc ... probably do provide more "energy," that much I will agree with. However, I have an easier time dancing at a prog house set than a trance set simply because I am enjoying the music more. Diff'rent strokes, diff'rent folks.

I agree with this also....Trance for me has more energy...but Prog House is waaaayyy better to dance to then Trance...to be honest i think trance sucks to dance to....i mean who the fuck wants to be in a groove dancing then sit and twiddle their thumbs for a minute abrubtly for a break?

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Originally posted by Floorfiller exactly hahaha...whatever that remix is...that's the version i like heheh...

yea same

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 progressive = repetitive. Repetitiveness leads to "hypnotysm." Basically the same thing happends when your driving on the highway and stare at the white lines in the road. Then you suddenly wake up and try to think what you have been doing the past hour.

repetetive sounds like a term someone who dosent know dick about electronica would say, i.e "i dont like techno, its too repetetive" ive heard it a thousand times.
as for hypnotysm, same thing can apply with trance. trance = hypnotic, semicounsious state. Like when youre listening to a tiesto set and jumping around dancing your ass off. Then suddenly the E wears off and you try to think what have you been dancing to the past hour.
kiddin, but yeah.

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who said anything about complexity? Ive stated previousely that complexity does not even matter.

it may not matter to you but it does to me.

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Thats my point. Did I say that Sasha was a bad dj? I just find It is harder to dance to his recent stuff then his older stuff. example involver.

i dont think Sasha made involver as a cd "someone could dance to". And its not even that recent, its almost a year old. I saw him spin at the AAA ultra7 afterparty and i danced my ass off, they were both banging. You dont really like his Orlando set, as youve stated before, but i really enjoyed it, and love his trackselection in it. I wouldve definitely dancing if i were there, non stop. To add, they spun in Argentina a couple of weeks back, and my friend told me they were insane.

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Well thats my point. Its a different form of Energy. For example If Sasha were to play a one hour set, chances are that it would be prety boring. Because of the fact that he likes to build it up. Its just different. I am almost willing to bet that in a one hour set, he would play semi-boring electroish house tunes for 45-50 minuters, then end with a few cool tracks...

yeah yeah but whats boring to you might not be boring to me.

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the boring statement comming from the fact that if you were in a club and looked around, the chances are that you will probably see a few, maybe a hand full of people dancing a bit if sasha was spinning. But when it comes down to it, after an hour of Tiesto of whoever I am willing to bet that the club will be bouncing.

well youre probably right..if you go see tiesto chances are the crowd is bouncing by default all the time. However ide rather go see Sasha expecting quality tunes, mixing and which ill probably be bouncing all the time as well..like i said, whats energetic to some does not apply to everyone. ide sit a tiesto set just like you would at a sasha set.

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A lot of the stuff he has been playing live is quite like his involver style. Is it not?

Felix Da Housecat - Watching Cars go By sounds like what hes been playing lately..

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If you go look @ previous Involver threads plenty of people have tried to prove arguments that it is a Dancy cd. Just because it has Sasha on the cover.

we both agreed that its not a dancy cd. It dosent mean you cant dance to it though.

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Anyway if you think this whole music with a "twist" like involver or whatever is a new concept, it really isn't.

i never brought up Involver, you did. Seems to me that youre basing Sasha's recent style on Involver a lot, and since Involver was not dancy then none of his recent stuff is. I dunno, personally judging by his recent tracklists his sets dont sound like Involver at all.

Wow, so we've concluded that Tiesto is the best DJ because he spins stuff 15 BPM faster than Sasha.

You lot are a bunch of wankers.

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Originally posted by auranaut You lot are a bunch of wankers.

Pot calling the kettle black?

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean repetetive sounds like a term someone who dosent know dick about electronica would say, i.e "i dont like techno, its too repetetive" ive heard it a thousand times. as for hypnotysm, same thing can apply with trance. trance = hypnotic, semicounsious state. Like when youre listening to a tiesto set and jumping around dancing your ass off. Then suddenly the E wears off and you try to think what have you been dancing to the past hour. kiddin, but yeah.

what don't you understand? Progressive house & progressive trance, repeat measure to measure. The repitition, and addition of layers is what makes it difference from house & trance. Trance music right now is a misnomer, because the producers forget why they are producing. Can you name a recent trance track that put you in a "Trance"?

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it may not matter to you but it does to me.

If complexity matters to you, please show some examples.

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i dont think Sasha made involver as a cd "someone could dance to". And its not even that recent, its almost a year old. I saw him spin at the AAA ultra7 afterparty and i danced my ass off, they were both banging. You dont really like his Orlando set, as youve stated before, but i really enjoyed it, and love his trackselection in it. I wouldve definitely dancing if i were there, non stop. To add, they spun in Argentina a couple of weeks back, and my friend told me they were insane.

i dance when i see him as well...

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yeah yeah but whats boring to you might not be boring to me.

you make it seem like boring is a bad thing

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well youre probably right..if you go see tiesto chances are the crowd is bouncing by default all the time. However ide rather go see Sasha expecting quality tunes, mixing and which ill probably be bouncing all the time as well..like i said, whats energetic to some does not apply to everyone. ide sit a tiesto set just like you would at a sasha set.

the difference between "danceablitiy" and energy are two totally different things. For example some people would rather play FIFA, and some would rather play soccer.

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we both agreed that its not a dancy cd. It dosent mean you cant dance to it though.

i never said you couldn't, But compair it to the stuff on the Xpander Ep.

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Originally posted by auranaut Wow, so we've concluded that Tiesto is the best DJ because he spins stuff 15 BPM faster than Sasha. You lot are a bunch of wankers.

where did anyone mention best

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 Can you name a recent trance track that put you in a "Trance"?

The Art of Trance - Mongoose[Tek-Tonik remix]

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Originally posted by dj tek The Art of Trance - Mongoose[Tek-Tonik remix]

ill have to hear that one again, I didn't like it much on the first few listends, thought it was plain...

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 ill have to hear that one again, I didn't like it much on the first few listends, thought it was plain...

it aint a super saw main synth to build up type. its very atmospheric yet banging.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 Can you name a recent trance track that put you in a "Trance"?

Noga - Intelligent Species
Nomad - Demons

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Originally posted by dj tek it aint a super saw main synth to build up type. its very atmospheric yet banging.

yea its techy right? But i dont think i got lost in it. For an example i get lost in Hydra - Affinity

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 yea its techy right? But i dont think i got lost in it. For an example i get lost in Hydra - Affinity

listen again. on a proper system and/or live. affinty is EASIER to get lost in as the main melody is very direct.

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Originally posted by dj tek listen again. on a proper system and/or live.

i will, ill throw it in my car

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 what don't you understand? Progressive house & progressive trance, repeat measure to measure. The repitition, and addition of layers is what makes it difference from house & trance.

works better when you make your statements clearer right? progressive = repetetive is so vague.

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Trance music right now is a misnomer, because the producers forget why they are producing. Can you name a recent trance track that put you in a "Trance"?

no i couldnt, i havent listened to trance in years

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If complexity matters to you, please show some examples.

examples of what i find complex? on electronica i listen to or on sasha? Well about sasha recently, his sets are more complex with the use of ableton live and maven. Why? his able to remix the track his playing anyway he pleases, adding elements, prolonging breakdowns, sampling, looping; all of these things make his sets more complex.

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i dance when i see him as well...

i cant be fucked searching up a comment you made a while ago about sasha putting you to sleep in all his sets, even in clubs.

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you make it seem like boring is a bad thing

i didnt know it was a good thing to be bored

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the difference between "danceablitiy" and energy are two totally different things. For example some people would rather play FIFA, and some would rather play soccer.

i dont understand the point your trying to get accross here. I already said that even though something might be more energetic, it dosent mean ide dance to it.

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i never said you couldn't, But compair it to the stuff on the Xpander Ep.

why dont we compare of of sashas stuff while were at it? Hes always been evolving musically, theres no point in comparing. Either you like his stages or you dont.

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean works better when you make your statements clearer right? progressive = repetetive is so vague.

ive written like a 5 paragraph essay on the topic, search for it if u want.

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no i couldnt, i havent listened to trance in years

then why bring it up?

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examples of what i find complex? on electronica i listen to or on sasha? Well about sasha recently, his sets are more complex with the use of ableton live and maven. Why? his able to remix the track his playing anyway he pleases, adding elements, prolonging breakdowns, sampling, looping; all of these things make his sets more complex.

electronica you listen to. I never said tiesto was more complex.

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i cant be fucked searching up a comment you made a while ago about sasha putting you to sleep in all his sets, even in clubs.

He does, Shit when i saw him last month, I was one of the only people that were dancing.

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i didnt know it was a good thing to be bored

Yep. Boring is key, you said it your self. Build is essential for a good set(in your opinion). If you start interesting and end interesting it may not do much. If you start boring and end boring it also may not do much. A key factor in many sets is the difference between the two.

That is why I can not take Armin one bit. Its the same thing over and over and over and over and over...

The good DJs realize this. Sometimes you have to use tracks as tools & instruments to set up the next track. It works much better. Most people dont have the ability to pick this up. If I play something semi flat and boring then drop an amazing track, it makes the amazing track even more amazing, then if I played two amazing tracks in a row.

For example Sashas most "energetic" track may not even come close to the opening track that Tiesto may drop. Which is what makes Tiesto, Tiesto. Like it or not.

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i dont understand the point your trying to get accross here. I already said that even though something might be more energetic, it dosent mean ide dance to it.

just that the fact that if people like dancing to energetic & uplifting music they will Prefer Tiesto as a DJ. Thus is why tiesto is #1

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 where did anyone mention best

Plenty of newbie trance crackers have, right in this thread. You're just too busy arguing about van Dyk and Sasha...

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 then why bring it up?

just because trance producers nowdays dont put you "in a trance", dosent mean that trance tracks were once made that still hold the meaning that trance = to entrance.
Just comes to show you the inconsistency of trance

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electronica you listen to. I never said tiesto was more complex.

I think we should leave what type of electronica i listen to is complex for another thread.

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He does, Shit when i saw him last month, I was one of the only people that were dancing.

when i saw him last month i was one of the many people who were dancing, until i got a cramp on my legs from dancing too much. If it puts you to sleep then why were you dancing? just being polite?
and bro, you should know that all DJs have their bad nights and the vibe always varies.

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Yep. Boring is key, you said it your self. Build is essential for a good set(in your opinion). If you start interesting and end interesting it may not do much. If you start boring and end boring it also may not do much. A key factor in many sets is the difference between the two.

boring is an adjective that means dull, uninteresting, lame. I might agree that some DJs go nowhere with their sets and they are boring (dull, lame) But most of the time, i dont consider Sasha's sets to fit in that category. And as for "it may not do much" well that depends on whats going on up in your mind

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just that the fact that if people like dancing to energetic & uplifting music they will Prefer Tiesto as a DJ. Thus is why tiesto is #1

Oh ok...so people like dancing to energetic and uplifting music, and according to you, no one serves the treat as good as tiesto.. and thats why hes number one?
haha..ok..im done

i love how you dumbasses are all like making these super posts quoting every little thing like you are gonna win the debate!! hahaahha...just kinda funny.

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean Oh ok...so people like dancing to energetic and uplifting music, and according to you, no one serves the treat as good as tiesto.. and thats why hes number one? haha..ok..im done

Not many have done it better the past 10 years. The few that have, are mostly the top few...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i love how you dumbasses are all like making these super posts quoting every little thing like you are gonna win the debate!! hahaahha...just kinda funny.

fuck up jason at least were entertaining your day

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean fuck up jason at least were entertaining your day

your interrupting his cor time...

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Originally posted by WM2 He was kind enough to have a small conversation with my girlfriend while he was mixing when she got his autograph. That's the sign of a dj that gives a shit about his fans.

Yea, I bet that's what "she" told you. When in reality he was gettin her # behind yer back.

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Originally posted by Jessdub99 Yea, I bet that's what "she" told you. When in reality he was gettin her # behind yer back.

I was actually right there with her getting some of my stuff autographed too. Guess I'm not cute enough to have a conversation with.

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