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[quote[Lol i thought generally the TA population could be considered above average intelligence-wise.
But my god youre just fucking stupid[/quote]

hey m@t i hope you like it hot when you die because your going straight to HELL

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Sorry brother but both your post and the one that you are attempting to support show a serious lack of knowledge regarding physical anthropology. There certainly is a clear chain from Astrolopithicus to Homo Sapien... granted, we don't have skeletal records for every part of this chain but the chain is there. Try to remember that the search for fosil records of these two classes of primate have only really been going on since the early 60s. The fact that we have found as much of the chain as we have is somewhat astounding. Where your argument that evolution is not correct because we have not found a direct link is flawed is because you are suggesting that there is only one link. We already know of at least 4 Homo species prior to Homo Sapien Archaic and 3 Astrololpithicus species after Afarencis.... it is only a matter of time before we find the last Astrolopithicus and the first Homo. BTW, as I said earlier creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive. If you take an interpretive view of the bible the story of creation is a very good allagory for evolution.... which makes sense to me because God is certainly bright enough to know that no bronze age people would understand the big bang and evolution so he had to tell the story in a manner they could relate to.

hey do you want to know why there is no fosills??? because we were created by god NOT by evolution

stop looking for anwsers in the dirt and start looking for them in heven where the REAL truth is

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Nothing to think about... Chem_Enhanced is my brother.

oh...

i wasn't directly speaking to him in that post, i was talking about everyone who is posting in here about their opinionated views, as if they are facts.


sorry if i offended u or your brother.


back on topic...just wrote my mom this email.

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just for the record mom, i wasn't saying that i disagree about how you feel about peyton and the whole athiest thing...i just think you are overstepping your boundaries with this. i spoke to several people about it, including dad, and they all said that it is absolutely not your place to push religion on a kid that isn't yours. i mean, yea it's your nephew, but he's not your son. you have to respect (and accept) the fact that not everyone is religious, it's a part of life. people who don't believe in god can't stand religious people who try to push their views on them...and especially on their kid, you know? just put yourself in her shoes...how would you like it if your brother's wife was trying to push Islamic views on your kid...you wouldn't appreciate it one bit. also, dad brought up a very good point. stacey might get REALLY pissed and not want you around peyton u know? we've already agreed that she is the type to keep peyton away from us if dave were to ever leave her, so just be careful. maybe when he's older and he's able to reason and know the meaning of religion, you can try to introduce it to him, but he's still so little, and it's just not a good idea, trust me. just worry about it later, and don't start a big fuss over it...i mean he's only like 4 right? you should never push your views on people mom, it's just not right, but you can certainly introduce it to them... you can express how you feel about it to dave only, but don't be abrasive about it and make him feel like he HAS to do something about it, because really, he doesn't at all. just because you and dave were raised in a catholic family, doesn't mean dave is this devout catholic...i mean really, when's the last time he went to church? if he seems to be OK with it, then let it be. dont get all defensive about it either please, i think it's a HUGE mistake for you and liz to make a big deal out of this.

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Originally posted by Slylee oh... i wasn't directly speaking to him in that post, i was talking about everyone who is posting in here about their opinionated views, as if they are facts. sorry if i offended u or your brother.

she was yelling at me.

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Originally posted by dinoXpress she was yelling at me.

no i wasn't. i mean if u are one of those ppl then yes i was, but i didn't have any specific person in mind when i wrote it...i'd have to scroll back and read everything again to point out who i was talking about, but i don't feel like doing that

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Originally posted by Slylee oh... i wasn't directly speaking to him in that post, i was talking about everyone who is posting in here about their opinionated views, as if they are facts. sorry if i offended u or your brother. back on topic...just wrote my mom this email.

You could never offend me

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Originally posted by Renegade he thinks i was kidding??? what does the easter bunny have to do with anything ppl see god and talk to him every day but.how can ppl beleive he doesnt exist???? if god doesnt exist then were did the world come from??? try answering that one. i bet you cant. dude if god doesnt exist then PROOVE it. if you cant then its because he DOES exist. think about it. also your WRONG. darwin said that evolution was a lie just beofre he died. go look it up in any history book and youll know i'm right (exept for athiest history books that dont tell the WHOLE storey :rolleyes

Pal, your post is rather misguided in that you seem to think I do not believe in God. That is not true, I am a believer, I'm in church every Sunday, and unlike many who blindly follow a faith I actually took the time to research many faiths and picked my church based on what I believed to be true. So, there is little point in you wasting your breath trying to make me believe in something I already believe in.

My post was pointing out the weaknesses in your argument. Your post just served to further evidence those weaknesses. As I said earlier... you cannot prove a negative therefore because one cannot prove that God exists does not mean that God does exist. No one can prove the existance of God, it is a question of faith, which as C.S. Lewis theorises is exactly how God wants it. Don't tell me that you can prove God's existance because you cannot. Simillarly, don't tell me that just because it cannot be proven that my father isn't Prince Charles means that it has been proven that Prince Charles is my father. Your logic is faulty.

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Originally posted by Renegade hey do you want to know why there is no fosills??? because we were created by god NOT by evolution stop looking for anwsers in the dirt and start looking for them in heven where the REAL truth is

There are fosills asswipe, we just haven't found them all yet. Also, as I have said many times, EVOLUTION DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE WERE NOT CREATED BY GOD, IT JUST MEANS IT HAPPENED IN A DIFFERENT MANNER THEN INDICATED BY GENISIS. Fuck man, do you not accept the possibility that the creation story is a metaphore. If you don't then you have no option but to accept that the story is false because it can be and has been proven that the earth is older then would be the case if the bible were correct in it's time line.

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Originally posted by Renegade hey do you want to know why there is no fosills??? because we were created by god NOT by evolution stop looking for anwsers in the dirt and start looking for them in heven where the REAL truth is

Renegade, I had read somewhere that the fossils were there because of the flood which killed all the dinosaurs. And that explains why they're buried so deep. Because the flood made all those layers. It's no use looking for "a" layer.

When the whole world gets hit by a meteor, cracking the fault lines and flooding with water, it created all those layers. How do you think they got bent like rubber in so many places? Take a mountain drive some time and think about your millions of years.
Look at the top of a slanted strata, there is no new layers of flat strata on top. Does that mean it just slanted recently? or are those rocks millions or billions of years old, and they just stopped laying new strata there?? I don't think so!

I think young earth science can help you with all the questions you asked. Check it out. It really is a great way of life. Great hobby looking for geologic weirdness too. I dunno where the so called "real" scientists are getting their explinations.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced You could never offend me

well hey man, more power to ya

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard There are fosills asswipe, we just haven't found them all yet. Also, as I have said many times, EVOLUTION DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE WERE NOT CREATED BY GOD, IT JUST MEANS IT HAPPENED IN A DIFFERENT MANNER THEN INDICATED BY GENISIS. Fuck man, do you not accept the possibility that the creation story is a metaphore. If you don't then you have no option but to accept that the story is false because it can be and has been proven that the earth is older then would be the case if the bible were correct in it's time line.

+1

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Pal, your post is rather misguided in that you seem to think I do not believe in God. That is not true, I am a believer, I'm in church every Sunday, and unlike many who blindly follow a faith I actually took the time to research many faiths and picked my church based on what I believed to be true. So, there is little point in you wasting your breath trying to make me believe in something I already believe in. My post was pointing out the weaknesses in your argument. Your post just served to further evidence those weaknesses. As I said earlier... you cannot prove a negative therefore because one cannot prove that God exists does not mean that God does exist. No one can prove the existance of God, it is a question of faith, which as C.S. Lewis theorises is exactly how God wants it. Don't tell me that you can prove God's existance because you cannot. Simillarly, don't tell me that just because it cannot be proven that my father isn't Prince Charles means that it has been proven that Prince Charles is my father. Your logic is faulty.

sorry id idnt know you were a christian but why are you agrueing with me if we beleive the same things??? what church do you go to???

yea so, i sent teh lettar!

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Originally posted by Slylee yea so, i sent teh lettar!

Good for you. If she gets mad at you for it, that's on her permanent record, not yours

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There are fosills asswipe, we just haven't found them all yet. Also, as I have said many times, EVOLUTION DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE WERE NOT CREATED BY GOD, IT JUST MEANS IT HAPPENED IN A DIFFERENT MANNER THEN INDICATED BY GENISIS. Fuck man, do you not accept the possibility that the creation story is a metaphore. If you don't then you have no option but to accept that the story is false because it can be and has been proven that the earth is older then would be the case if the bible were correct in it's time line.

um have you actualy read the bible??? it say we weren't created by evolution ONLY BY GOD so i dont think you know what your talking about

also i dont know what a metaphore is but the bible is the TRUTH not a metaphore!!!

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Originally posted by Slylee no i wasn't. i mean if u are one of those ppl then yes i was, but i didn't have any specific person in mind when i wrote it...i'd have to scroll back and read everything again to point out who i was talking about, but i don't feel like doing that

oh.

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Renegade, I had read somewhere that the fossils were there because of the flood which killed all the dinosaurs. And that explains why they're buried so deep. Because the flood made all those layers. It's no use looking for "a" layer. When the whole world gets hit by a meteor, cracking the fault lines and flooding with water, it created all those layers. How do you think they got bent like rubber in so many places? Take a mountain drive some time and think about your millions of years. Look at the top of a slanted strata, there is no new layers of flat strata on top. Does that mean it just slanted recently? or are those rocks millions or billions of years old, and they just stopped laying new strata there?? I don't think so! I think young earth science can help you with all the questions you asked. Check it out. It really is a great way of life. Great hobby looking for geologic weirdness too. I dunno where the so called "real" scientists are getting their explinations.

hey occrider its good to see that SOMEONE here has some common sence

and i know what you mean about the scientistis. they think there smart and worshiping darwin but all there actualy beleiving in is a big LIE

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Originally posted by Slylee yea so, i sent teh lettar!

I'm curious as to how she'll take it, that must be an odd paradigm shift having the child you created and raised offer you suggestions on how to behave.

I better go make some popcorn.

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Originally posted by Renegade sorry id idnt know you were a christian but why are you agrueing with me if we beleive the same things??? what church do you go to???

I'm arguing with you because what you are suggesting is proof of God is not proof of God and your arguments are flimsy at best. If you are going to try to convince people you need to use real evidence or sound logical and philisophical reasoning. Making statements like "you can't prove God doesn't exist therefore he must" is not only incorrect but it is illogical and only serves to give people the impression that you are a blind believer and accept as truth everything that is written in the bible despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. If you want a good argument for the existance of God then you have to look beyond the litteral meaning of the bible and incorporate what God reveals about himself through the profits with what we know to be true. For instance, regarding the big bang theory... the big bang theory cannot explain anything past the moment known as plank time (the moment that gravety came into existance) because physics breaks down at that point. This means that we have no explenation as to how the singularity that became the universe came into being or why it began to expand. This fits very well with the creation myth in that "in the begining there was nothing". You can then argue that God created the singularity and caused it to expand("God created the heavens and earth"). You can even say that God structured the Universe to work as it does ("he created day and night"). Then you can argue that God allowed for evolution and in this manner he created the plants and animals. See this would be a logical argument.... Genisis is a metaphore for the big bang and evolution.

Rather then looking at science as something that challenges your faith you should look at it as something that reinforces your faith because at some point devine intervention is necessary to make science work and no entity other then God could devise such a complex universe that would result in the world we have here on earth.

BTW, I am a Roman Catholic.

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Originally posted by Renegade hey occrider its good to see that SOMEONE here has some common sence and i know what you mean about the scientistis. they think there smart and worshiping darwin but all there actualy beleiving in is a big LIE

Have you heard of Ken Ham? He points out that the dinosaurs are in scriptures. They just didn't call them that back then. In Job 40:15-24, God describes to Job (who lived after the Flood) a great beast. This animal, called 'behemoth,' is described as 'the chief of the ways of God,' perhaps the biggest land animal God had created. He moved his tail like a cedar tree! Although some say this may have been an elephant or hippopotamus, the description actually fits that of a dinosaur like Brachiosaurus. Elephants and hippos certainly do not have tails like cedar trees!



Haha does that look like a hippo or a elephants??

It makes sense that at the time of the Flood, many of the sea creatures died (due to the saltwater becoming too fresh), but some survived. In addition, all of the land creatures outside the Ark died, but the representatives of all the kinds that survived on the Ark lived in the new world after the Flood. Those land animals (including dinosaurs) found the new world to be much different than the one before the Flood. Due to (1) competition for food , (2) other catastrophes, (3) man killing for food (and perhaps for fun), and (4) the destruction of habitats, etc., many species of animals eventually died out. The group of animals we now call dinosaurs just happened to die out too. What do you think?

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Originally posted by Masonious I'm curious as to how she'll take it, that must be an odd paradigm shift having the child you created and raised offer you suggestions on how to behave.

yea i know. i love my mom to death, god bless her (no offense all u athiests! hahah), but like all humans, she's got her issues. i'm just thankful i was able to live with my dad for 2 years in high school, because his way of thinking and behavior really rubbed off on me. i used to be a neurotic freak just like my mom...i mean i still am sort of, but my dad is like mr. calm and collected and very fair, always looking at things objectively..very kind man. i definitely have a lot of his personality in me too...



it's funny how when you're little, you see your parents as like a God...they can do no wrong, they are your heros. it's kinda sad that i look at my mom sometimes now, as an adult, and shake my head. i feel bad for her...she's this amazing smart, independant, and very funny woman but she's lonely and can never find a date, and I�m starting to realize why. She�s just way too set in her ways�she�s not very open-minded when it comes to certain things�I dunno, she is and she isn�t�it�s hard to explain. My mom is a very complex person, but she has, without a doubt, a heart of gold, believe that.


if ur into astrology at all, she's a very typical aries.

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Originally posted by Renegade um have you actualy read the bible??? it say we weren't created by evolution ONLY BY GOD so i dont think you know what your talking about also i dont know what a metaphore is but the bible is the TRUTH not a metaphore!!!

I have read the bible. You may also want to note that the bible is writen in poetic form and at no times claims to be litteral. Additionally, based on the bible this planet is a little over 4000 years old.... we know that is not the case. Moreover, just because I regard the bible as a metaphore does not mean it is not true. Further, you should note that belief in a literal interpretation of the bible only acts as evidence of blind faith which is something Jesus himself cautions against.

I would also like to note that I have read the Vedicts as well. They tell us that the world was ushered into being by the reverberation of a single sound made by Brahman (their highest god)... that sound was the "aum" which is often used as a mantra when meditating. The story is very complex and I cannot be arsed to explain it to you, however, I see this as being no more or less valid a metaphore for the creation of the universe then Genisis, as both fit quite well with the scientific fact.

Hey Renegade, I found those darwin sayings for you:

The number of intermediate and transitional links between all living and extinct species, must have been inconceivably great.~ Charles Darwin

But just in proportion as this process of extermination has acted on an enormous scale, so must the number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed, be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against the theory. The explanation lies, as I believe, in the extreme imperfection of the geological record. ~ Charles Darwin

He who rejects these views on the nature of the geologic record, will rightly reject my whole theory. ~ Charles Darwin


Sounds like he didn't belief himself haha!

You know who did belief in him????

The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution. ~ Arthur Keith

If Nature does not wish that weaker individuals should mate with the stronger, she wishes even less that a superior race should intermingle with an inferior one; because in such a case all her efforts, throughout hundreds of thousands of years, to establish an evolutionary higher stage of being, may thus be rendered futile. ~ Adolf Hitler

National Socialism is nothing but applied biology. ~ Rudolph Hess

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