Andy moor... how good is this guy?

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Posted by Mike_Foyle on Jul-26-2005 02:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Ory
Yeah... fucking hell, it's 4am, and lotsa shit is going on... I seriously can't think straight about this.

3 am here.. but yeah thats late enough.

think we are agreed then that this is a great place to end this thread?! but please consider my arguments and start treating people with a bit more respect. then with a bit of luck they will show you some in return.

g'night

Posted by Mike_Foyle on Jul-26-2005 02:14:

oh and remember:

T3H L33T 3L3CTR0NIC0R

Posted by bobba lou on Jul-26-2005 02:17:

^5 foyle.

long time mate. hope all is well.
Harold

Posted by |cEbLu3 on Jul-26-2005 03:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Ory
They make tracks to get exposure, so they can get gigs, and make money.

honestly though, unless you're a mind reader you couldn't possibly know that for sure.

Posted by JasonThomas on Jul-26-2005 03:58:

quote:
Originally posted by paranoik0
woah, i agree with you while disagreeing with Ory

3AM here, wtf am i doing in front of a computer?

+1 i guess

How could you ever agree with ory really? His opinion always changes for the current trendy argument.

He is quite simply a troll.

quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
oh and remember:

T3H L33T 3L3CTR0NIC0R

oh and lol, are those teh 1337 f4rting n0isez?

Posted by Kapedano on Jul-26-2005 04:23:

hahah, its funny reading these posts here, well yeah gotta agree with Mike in everything he said, i think the main reasons in these forums is that alot have different tastes in trance, and some immuture (ory)cant keep thier litle mouth shut so they wine and brag about what other people like. thier are fucking idiots and cant respect other peoples choises.

Posted by aK-M on Jul-26-2005 05:30:

haha well said Mike mate, i think everyones had enough now, i shouldnt have started this silly topic if i had of known that little boy was gonna start going on & on & on

case closed

Posted by Light The Fuse on Jul-26-2005 05:45:

quite like him - air for life is pretty good the way it incorperates a lil bit of electronic funk into it.

its like inaya day meets enya lolz

Posted by Omega_Blue on Jul-26-2005 05:50:

quote:
Originally posted by NuDarkBeat
Ory for the kill once again. Also, once again, coming from somebody that knows absolutely nothing about music production. Figures.

i'd love to hear your productions.

Posted by Redd on Jul-26-2005 06:35:

I really enjoy the Whiteroom remix of Airwaves "Save Me". Heard it before the original and I think it's better. I know people think I should be shot for this, but thats just how it is. I've never been much into Leama & Moor, though I do like some of their remixes.

Posted by Danny Ocean on Jul-26-2005 06:44:

fuck you assholes

Posted by colombian raver on Jul-26-2005 06:48:

I like the Leama & Moor remix of Getting Away, and I also love Whiteroom - Someday. And no I don't like it because it's popular and it was shoved in my face by Armin, I couldn't care less.

Wrap your minds around this one because its a real brain teaser.

I just like the songs.

Posted by JasonThomas on Jul-26-2005 06:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
fuck you assholes

Interesting

Posted by isoterra on Jul-26-2005 06:56:

Dear Ory,

You're shit.

x

tbh though i agree with most of the other anti-Moors in this thread with regards to his music. i dislike his recent stuff and find it to be uncreative and pretty devoid of any appealing musical essence. however its existance doesn't bother me in the slightest; the only time i'm forced to listen to that style is during the early stages of certain clubnights, where it serves as mere warm-up fodder. it doesn't bother me that others like it either and i certainly wouldn't lump its listeners in the same category as casual part-time pop-music listeners. to be fair they must have done atleast some degree of 'digging' to get to this level and it it suits them, let it be.

Posted by RebeL9 on Jul-26-2005 08:33:

actually Ory got a point. if you look at the todays "uprising" trance stars that are discovered on ASOT they all seem to follow the same pattern.
They are all young guys sitting with a downloaded (well most of) version of Reason and producing tracks in their bedrooms. Their main aim is to get on ASOT and get whored there. That is still OK for some reason. But then when the artist becomes popular among the ASOT whores he suddenly have to start DJing. For example Envio, Filo & Peri etc.
Just because you can make a good production doesnt automaticly make you a good dj. And then the clubowners book these "uprising" stars and prints largely on the label "ENVIO". Though no one have ever heard Envio dj before they rate him high as hell just because he had one tune on ASOT which was popular.
This is really really cheap.

Note Envio is just an example. There are loads of other producers which did the same.

Posted by PEZ68 on Jul-26-2005 08:40:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
They are all young guys sitting with a downloaded (well most of) version of Reason and producing tracks in their bedrooms.

and that's the same guys who cry when their tracks are illegaly downloaded. Irony.

Posted by isoterra on Jul-26-2005 08:55:

Posted by Mike_Foyle on Jul-26-2005 11:19:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
actually Ory got a point. if you look at the todays "uprising" trance stars that are discovered on ASOT they all seem to follow the same pattern.
They are all young guys sitting with a downloaded (well most of) version of Reason and producing tracks in their bedrooms. Their main aim is to get on ASOT and get whored there. That is still OK for some reason. But then when the artist becomes popular among the ASOT whores he suddenly have to start DJing. For example Envio, Filo & Peri etc.
Just because you can make a good production doesnt automaticly make you a good dj. And then the clubowners book these "uprising" stars and prints largely on the label "ENVIO". Though no one have ever heard Envio dj before they rate him high as hell just because he had one tune on ASOT which was popular.
This is really really cheap.

Note Envio is just an example. There are loads of other producers which did the same.

anyone who thinks dj-ing takes skill is a total retard.

usually its the producers who are most experimental and unique when it comes to djing, becasue they know about effects, structures, and loads of other technical shit that ur average dj does not. if u go listen to like mikey mike or Az's mixes in the ameteur dj forum they are shit. just one track then the next waiting till the very last minute to bring the next track in. I have been producing longer than i have been djing, i have only been djing for 2 or 3 years. but i make a point of being different when it comes to djing. using loops, acapellas, fx, mixing tracks in keys which complement each other ( i take the time to update my database with the key of each track i have at a certain tempo... im sure many djs do this, but alot do not. at the end of the day mate, if you think that there is more to djing than producing then you have no idea. producers get booked because clubbers these days like to see the guys who actually make the music, not just some idiot who gets paid to play other peoples. sure there are probably producers who learn to dj in a week and then get booked but who do u see complaining (apart from you?) people go see them because they like the music they MAKE. it pisses me off so much when "real djs" bitch and moan about "producer djs" just because they tend to get more gigs and better gigs than those "real djs"... let me tell u something mate... the djs who dont do anything apart from play other peoples music are the ones you should be moaning at, not us.

When I play at gigs with other djs, it is almost always the producer djs who impress me most, alot of exclusive tracks, lots of clever mixing and key mixing, lots of live mashups, etc etc etc... the only thing that they often cant do (i cant do it to save my life) is scratching. But whenever a dj scratches in a club it sounds wank if you ask me. the only person ive seen who can make it sound good is zabiela, who to be honest is in a different leauge to any of us altogether.

on the other hand u have u guys who dont produce and just think u are the shit for playing other peoples music. if you think you deserve to get booked all round the world to do so, but the people who actually make the music dont deserve to, then you need to go sort your head out. if you dont wana see the producer djs dont go see them, until they get pretty big they dont make much money from gigs, ive done plenty of free gigs in the past simply because i fucking love doing it. its an amazing experience which those who are lucky enough to get the chance to do should be thankful for. anyone who does it for the money lost their passion for music a long long time ago. and the amount that you talk about money and how its not fair that we get paid for this and that makes me think that maybe you lost it a long time ago to, and that maybe you are jealous that we have something that you do not.

(this is me sticking up for my beliefs again, don't hate me.. we all have different views and perspectives on things, that was mine coming from a producer who IS being booked primarily for my productions, but who is also putting a fuck load of effort into my djing and who doesnt appriciate people like you assuming that we are half assed and money hungry and that that is the only reason we do it)

later i will post a new demo and you can judge for urself whether or not "producer djs" are really that shit.

thankyou.

Posted by Tech0rz on Jul-26-2005 11:27:

at last a sensible reply that comes from experience instead of just assumption and generalisation.

Posted by Mike_Foyle on Jul-26-2005 11:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Tech0rz
at last a sensible reply that comes from experience instead of just assumption and generalisation.

thankyou. i doubt this discussion will end there though, who cares what i have to say? ive been on asot so i must be a shit producer eh. and what clue could i possibly have about djing?

Posted by eRRaTiK on Jul-26-2005 11:32:

ouch @ Mike_Foyle's last post

/awaits mikey to counter

talk about getting off track btw.

Posted by Mike_Foyle on Jul-26-2005 11:36:

quote:
Originally posted by eRRaTiK
ouch @ Mike_Foyle's last post

/awaits mikey to counter

talk about getting off track btw.

yeah oops! im just trying to make a point. fed up of watching what i say in this forum, from now on i speak my mind.

Posted by dannyc on Jul-26-2005 11:50:

excellent post mike i agree full heartly with you. i think the whole dj culture will soon die as in people no longer will be prepared to pay 50 quid for the likes of talentless wasters like judge jules who have made a living from playing other peoples music.

you can already see the rise of the producer dj everywhere, for example one of my friends john o'callaghan starting to make is name on the dj circuit after years of hard work getting exposure for his producing, but he djs because as you said people wanna go see the person who actually made the music they enjoy so much which would be completely understandable in any other genre.
imagine someone who was a U2 fan for years paying to go to a gig of someone who was just playing U2 songs rather than seen U2 themselves.

even gabrial & dresden said recently in an interview that they see the whole dj performance becoming more like a live performance where producers can showcase there music which is the way it should be.

i reckon when you finally get the transistion over to producer dj performances happen trance may start to get appreciated more as an actual credible scene.

dont get me wrong i still think traditional djs have a role to play but to say a dj who just spins other peoples records should get gigs ahead of an actually talented producers is fucking crazy to say the least.

and as far as money is concerned dont ya think if we thought about that we'd be all out making rap and dj sammy dance music? we do it because we feel we have something to offer to people around the world in the form of music that we make straight from the heart.

p.s. best of luck in the future mike you've had some really great productions recently

Posted by Mike_Foyle on Jul-26-2005 11:54:

quote:
Originally posted by dannyc
as far as money is concerned dont ya think if we thought about that we'd be all out making rap and dj sammy dance music?

EXACTLY

quote:
Originally posted by dannyc
p.s. best of luck in the future mike you've had some really great productions recently

Thanks

Posted by eRRaTiK on Jul-26-2005 11:57:

back on topic, so when are you and andy moor producing a track together mike?

you could be "foyle moor" or "moor foyle"

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