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I picked up the TPOD1 CD quiet late (around 2003) 2 years after it was released. I was following PVD livesets for a while, and when I picked up TPOD1 I was really dissappointed. It was bland and tame. I sometimes wonder how it can be labled a "classic" when there are only 3-4 good tracks on there, with the rest just being fillers.

To this day I still regret purchasing TPOD1. I guess I was hoping for it to have as big an effect on me as GC-Discotech had on me back in 98, but damn, no CD will ever beat that.

As for my thoughts on TPOD2: very very nice. This is what TPOD1 should have sounded like. CD1 starts out with a chilly laid back intro, and by mid cd the tempo get's upped quiet a bit for some big tracks (tracks 11/12 which seem to be the highpoint of CD1), then slows down with the instrumental of Someday. Damn I wish this was the vocal remix. CD2: Very very nice aswell.

Final thoughts: The CD as a whole has a liveset feel to it (something that TPOD1 didn't have). The mixing is FLAWLESS. Trackselection could have been better (give us more anthems ).

Final thought: Without a doubt better then TPOD1.

Only 1 word.. CRAP

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Originally posted by Rob The mixing is FLAWLESS.

I'm not trying to be rude but I don't understand why people keep saying this? It's not like he grabbed a bunch of CDs and records, hit record and started mixing. It's a studio CD. Flawless mixing is about as expected as stereo sound.

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Originally posted by Keith Chambers I'm not trying to be rude but I don't understand why people keep saying this? It's not like he grabbed a bunch of CDs and records, hit record and started mixing. It's a studio CD. Flawless mixing is about as expected as stereo sound.

I was pointing out that fact to the 10 people on this thread that said the mixing was shit.

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Originally posted by Rob I guess I was hoping for it to have as big an effect on me as GC-Discotech had on me back in 98, but damn, no CD will ever beat that.

discotech wasnt out in '98

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Originally posted by Reactic any other opinions on this one? or does everyone think that this cd sucks?

just had a look at the tracklist and i am not even remotely curious to listen to this one.



hope it helps.

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Originally posted by Denser just had a look at the tracklist and i am not even remotely curious to listen to this one.

same

pvd's face annoys me..always with the fucking puppy face look

as I have noticed most posters here hate the cd, but why? why is everyone comparing TPOD1 with part 2? times have changed, so there is no reason why you should compare both CDs.
compare TPOD2 with in search of sunrise iv, a state of trance 2005 or other mix-cds released this/last year. do it, and you will notice TPOD2 is at least as good as those cds, which I have mentioned. imo TPOD2 is even better, because of the mixing, mood, clubbing feeling, energy and it is uplifting.
I don't know what you have expected by PvD. this is a mix-cd, and not an artist album, so why do you complain about the tracklist? complain about the other artists, who produce these tracks.
everyone who doesn't like this cd at all, shouldn't post your comments here, because you don't complain about this cd, but about trance at all nowadays, and you would give such comments also to other cds.
people should stop complaining about todays trance, if they don't like it, fine, go and listen to TPOD1..

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ Just listened to a (free) PvD podcast on iTunes, and he describes the motives behind the albuma and various singles and TPOD. It was all very interesting and a good insight and I think it's going to change how I listen to this album when it comes out.

Here's the Podcast for those of you who don't have iTunes...

pvd podcast mp3 @ 8kbps

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Originally posted by Reactic as I have noticed most posters here hate the cd, but why? why is everyone comparing TPOD1 with part 2? times have changed, so there is no reason why you should compare both CDs. compare TPOD2 with in search of sunrise iv, a state of trance 2005 or other mix-cds released this/last year. do it, and you will notice TPOD2 is at least as good as those cds, which I have mentioned. imo TPOD2 is even better, because of the mixing, mood, clubbing feeling, energy and it is uplifting. I don't know what you have expected by PvD. this is a mix-cd, and not an artist album, so why do you complain about the tracklist? complain about the other artists, who produce these tracks. everyone who doesn't like this cd at all, shouldn't post your comments here, because you don't complain about this cd, but about trance at all nowadays, and you would give such comments also to other cds. people should stop complaining about todays trance, if they don't like it, fine, go and listen to TPOD1..

are u telling me that pvd couldnt have found different more unknown songs to put on tpod2? and plus, the whole purpose of the politics of dancing was that he didnt like the way mix cd's were being made, so in the first one he clearly edited each one to fit the mix perfectly...in tpod2 they say he edited most of the songs but i really dont hear the edit...the second one also doesnt have that flow that the first one did...its not as much about the songs, becdause i didnt mind the playlist...for me its about how i thought he was gonna put more effort into the compilation in itself

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Originally posted by cistane are u telling me that pvd couldnt have found different more unknown songs to put on tpod2? and plus, the whole purpose of the politics of dancing was that he didnt like the way mix cd's were being made, so in the first one he clearly edited each one to fit the mix perfectly...in tpod2 they say he edited most of the songs but i really dont hear the edit...the second one also doesnt have that flow that the first one did...its not as much about the songs, becdause i didnt mind the playlist...for me its about how i thought he was gonna put more effort into the compilation in itself

i def found better songs he could have used... i mean his mixmag cd is clearly better imo then tpod. its soo good. def my fav cd this year

i totally agree, his mixmag was way better, i was expecting something more like that

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Originally posted by cistane are u telling me that pvd couldnt have found different more unknown songs to put on tpod2? and plus, the whole purpose of the politics of dancing was that he didnt like the way mix cd's were being made, so in the first one he clearly edited each one to fit the mix perfectly...in tpod2 they say he edited most of the songs but i really dont hear the edit...the second one also doesnt have that flow that the first one did...its not as much about the songs, becdause i didnt mind the playlist...for me its about how i thought he was gonna put more effort into the compilation in itself

I can't understand how people can complain about mixing. this is definitely the best mixing, which I have ever heard on a mix-cd. why should he edit each track, if the mixing is already perfect. and I really don't think, the edits would turn the cd into a better one, sonner it will turn into bad.. when he edits a track, he simply put his baseline in it, thats all, you can her it in the song thompson and holden - nothing (pvd edit), where the baseline is a bit defferent to the original. all songs have already, whithout these edits, this typical pvd baseline, if he edits all tracks, it would be too much, to monotone..

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Originally posted by Reactic as I have noticed most posters here hate the cd, but why? why is everyone comparing TPOD1 with part 2? times have changed, so there is no reason why you should compare both CDs. compare TPOD2 with in search of sunrise iv, a state of trance 2005 or other mix-cds released this/last year. do it, and you will notice TPOD2 is at least as good as those cds, which I have mentioned. imo TPOD2 is even better, because of the mixing, mood, clubbing feeling, energy and it is uplifting. I don't know what you have expected by PvD. this is a mix-cd, and not an artist album, so why do you complain about the tracklist? complain about the other artists, who produce these tracks. everyone who doesn't like this cd at all, shouldn't post your comments here, because you don't complain about this cd, but about trance at all nowadays, and you would give such comments also to other cds. people should stop complaining about todays trance, if they don't like it, fine, go and listen to TPOD1..

oh no not another one who have the opinion "if you don't like this then don't post here". Stop with this bitching.
This is a democracy you know. They are both positive and negative about things.

And you say "don't blame PVD, blame the artists who made the tunes". That is the biggest bullshit I've heard in a long while. PVD is the DJ, he got the authority to choose from hundreds of tunes to put on this CD. And he chose some of the most played and dull tunes you can find. It's not impossible to make 2 cds with interesting and tunes which not every other dj have already whored.
Just look at J00F and his latest Whitlabel Republic. 2 Cds with tunes most of you guys never heard of.
That also shows how overrated PVD actually is.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 oh no not another one who have the opinion "if you don't like this then don't post here". Stop with this bitching. This is a democracy you know. They are both positive and negative about things. And you say "don't blame PVD, blame the artists who made the tunes". That is the biggest bullshit I've heard in a long while. PVD is the DJ, he got the authority to choose from hundreds of tunes to put on this CD. And he chose some of the most played and dull tunes you can find. It's not impossible to make 2 cds with interesting and tunes which not every other dj have already whored. Just look at J00F and his latest Whitlabel Republic. 2 Cds with tunes most of you guys never heard of. That also shows how overrated PVD actually is.

ok, I know he can choose, but the selection is not really big! well, I think the playlist is overrated in this case.. sure, he could choose some more new tunes, but even if you have 30 unknown tunes, this doesn't mean, you have a done a good cd! pvd has really good mixing there and structure of the tunes. imo he creates very good build-ups, and then give the listeners a break.
and imo this republik cd is a bit overrated. its good, ok, but the mixing is not as good as by TPOD2, and there are some bad tracks, which don't fit into the mix. the reason, why many people haven't heard these tracks, is simply because the most people aren't into psy trance.. ok, I don't know, if someone, who is relly into psy, would recognize all tunes, but I can imagine, if you read reviews posted on a psy forum, you wouldn't get this positive coments, because they are used to it.. and now, look at TA, many users like the cd, because they haven't heard psy trance before, if they were used to it, they would look at it from another point of view..

pvd overrated.. lol ? the guy always play the best tunes on the scene, from house too hardtrance it doesn't matter.
Anyway i will definetly buy this album because many of these tunes are pvd reworks and no one can do better reworks then this man..
The Space Brothers - Everywhere I Go (PVD Rework) one of the best tunes ever made.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 oh no not another one who have the opinion "if you don't like this then don't post here". Stop with this bitching. This is a democracy you know. They are both positive and negative about things.

wtf, post whatever you want. its good to post your opinion, I don't post only positive things, but if you look at most "reviews" on this cd, you get the opinion, they all judge the cd by its playlist without having heard it before.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 PVD is the DJ, he got the authority to choose from hundreds of tunes to put on this CD. And he chose some of the most played and dull tunes you can find. It's not impossible to make 2 cds with interesting and tunes which not every other dj have already whored.

its always the same.. look at other djs, armin, tisto, ferry corsten.. show me one trance mix-cd, one thread, where people haven't said: this is old! I have heard many tunes before! its simply unfair to pvd, because he is not 100x better than the rest.

also TAs forget, that the majority out there, who isn't registered on this forum, will buy a cd without noticing, that many tunes whre played already.

last point: the cd have old tunes, but pvd have intentional chosen them! its his concept, to mix old with new I guess. why do everyone thing, a mix cd should contain only new tracks, unknown tracks? if you take all tracks into concederation, from the past, you could do a even better mix cd, than with new tracks. someone should maybe try it out, you will see, it even then could be a good mix cd.

& btw, why should he not choose those so called "overplayed" tunes? Is this cd just for the trance nerds? 80 % of those who buys the cd haven't even heard any of the tunes before. & the best tunes are often those "overplayed" ones. Stop adapt or "adjust" yourself too other dj's, do your own thing, that's how a smart dj thinks..
If he likes a track he put it on the cd, simple as that, only idiots don't & thinks the other way around that they are too "overplayed", so stupid..

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Originally posted by Reactic ok, I know he can choose, but the selection is not really big! well, I think the playlist is overrated in this case.. sure, he could choose some more new tunes, but even if you have 30 unknown tunes, this doesn't mean, you have a done a good cd! pvd has really good mixing there and structure of the tunes. imo he creates very good build-ups, and then give the listeners a break. and imo this republik cd is a bit overrated. its good, ok, but the mixing is not as good as by TPOD2, and there are some bad tracks, which don't fit into the mix. the reason, why many people haven't heard these tracks, is simply because the most people aren't into psy trance.. ok, I don't know, if someone, who is relly into psy, would recognize all tunes, but I can imagine, if you read reviews posted on a psy forum, you wouldn't get this positive coments, because they are used to it.. and now, look at TA, many users like the cd, because they haven't heard psy trance before, if they were used to it, they would look at it from another point of view..

j00f is not mainly a psy dj. even the progressive tunes he plays are not so well known. i would consider myself pretty updated when it comes to progressive trance. still he plays new unreleased stuff way before anyone else.
and whitelabel republic is not overrated. rather underrated. mixing is flawless and pretty damn straight considering that he goes from progressive straight to psy trance. much more challenging than playing same style from start to end.
I don't say that Whitelabel Republic is 10/10. Even J00F's two earlier Whitelabel CDs were better than this one. But still its damn nice and original compared to most other mix cds released nowadays

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Originally posted by Reactic pvd has really good mixing there and structure of the tunes. imo he creates very good build-ups, and then give the listeners a break.

dude are u fucking joking or what? I havent heard this cd and hell i wont listen to it ever but by just looking at the tracklist ( i almost know every tune from it) i can tell for 100% that there is no flow in this album (at least in some parts for sure). How he jumps from progressive to trance at times is and i cant imagine that it flows well

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Originally posted by Phortastic dude are u fucking joking or what? I havent heard this cd and hell i wont listen to it ever but by just looking at the tracklist ( i almost know every tune from it) i can tell for 100% that there is no flow in this album (at least in some parts for sure). How he jumps from progressive to trance at times is and i cant imagine that it flows well

Looking at your top I highly doubt you know every tune on it but ok.. lets say you do, i could be wrong. Then if you judge a cd just for the tracklist i think you are not very clever. First, cause almost all the tracks on it has been edited or remixed and finally cause what differences this cd from others is the way it is mixed, not the tracking selection.
Looking at your top again i would like to ask you if you did the same with Sasha's "Involver" cd. Didnt you listen it just looking its tracklist? Cause in a similar way ( difference is that Sasha got access to the original parts of the tracks and paul didnt), almost all the tracks on it were old or "known" and reworked by him. I am sure not, just looking for a third time at your top.

I mean, people tend to judge artists just for being of his like or not when sometimes - even into the music you cant stand - artists or djs you really hate can make a good work. For example, would anyone of the posters in this thread that dislike the cd and trance in general buy it if it were full of unknown and good tracks? My answer is not, they would just bash it for being trance cause they dont like the style. I have read reviews of pople with phrases in theirs signatures like.. "trance suxx", "i hate trance".. people that reviews it before listening.. those are invalid opinions i would say.
On the other hand, others that took a listen to it and that could at some point like it - non trance or pvd haters here please - can really state a good opinion and judge. I did listen and preorder after it cause i found CD2 really nice, not being to keen on the first one. And yeah, i had listened sets from Paul before summer and many tracks are the same but listening to them in a good quality and so perfect mixed is a pleasure i would like to keep forever.

I cant agree more with the idea that this cd will look fresh for a lot of people that dont check tracklist frequently. Nowdays that music is on p2p months before released, a compilation with a high % of tracks unknown for us is something just an artist album can get.
Shouldnt be compared for the tracklist with TPOD1 either - althought the idea is the same - but with trance compilations today, cause obviously are in different times. And you know what? I would bet that if TPOD1 would be released today, those haters that claim to have liked it when it was relled years ago would be here bashing and bashing and bashing and bashing again..

^where u make a huge mistake in your argument is thinking i dont like trance. Well u are way off man. I like trance, mostly trance from the past i must admit but i do like some trance from this year also. But those recent trance tracks i like (its more than u think) is just not on this compilation, besides a couple of them.

Now is that my fault? No. Is it the fault of todays trance? Well, for some part i guess. But who is really the one to blame here? Yes, PVD ofcourse. But im not gonna say more about this cause like i said: i havent even listened to it. I was just giving my opinion about the flow, which sucks. And yes i can say that without listening it. How? Cause i almost know all the tracks (i know from some people who listened this album that those so claimed pvd re-edits are hard to hear at best, so dont give me that crap argument) and some just dont fit whatsoever.

And oh yeah why is it hard to believe i know almost all these tracks? They are freaking old and having no trance in my top 5 tunes doesnt make me a trance n00b.

And now im done talking about this

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Originally posted by Phortastic And now im done talking about this

Finally ... if only we could have figured out how to stop you earlier.

man that hurts
really

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