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Originally posted by sandstorm03 what about your massive 50 cent collection?

LOL u mean Ja Rule

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Originally posted by tiesto14 what i meant was YES technically it is stealing by law...but i, like most people, dont feel like we are stealing when we do it...perhaps because we are in our homes and not in a store and dont have anything tangable in our hands.

That's what i think exactly too!

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Think of it as advertising....i bought SYmsonic....not because i heard some random DJ play tunes from it in a club...but because i downloaded Black Snow and wanted more sounds from you guys.

Let me make one thing clear: i am talking about people who download, enjoy but don't pay, not people like you who do!

And p2p is not the only media to listen to new music. Internet radio, live sets and online shops do provide the same tracks.

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For you to sit there and honestly say that trance, techno and even house would be where it is today

Did i say that? I said i can't tell, just like you can't tell it did!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 They do now...more than they used to. ANd not for nothing...but the majority of people i download from are Europeans...not Americans or Canadians....go figure.

Well it IS available like you say yourself!

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij That's what i think exactly too!

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij Let me make one thing clear: i am talking about people who download, enjoy but don't pay, not people like you who do!

Well they can't be stopped. And it is still a form of advertising.

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij And p2p is not the only media to listen to new music. Internet radio, live sets and online shops do provide the same tracks.

Could point...do you support downloading of and sharing live sets of your gigs or Piets alone?

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij Did i say that? I said i can't tell, just like you can't tell it did!

I know where i would place my bet

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Well they can't be stopped. And it is still a form of advertising.

Sure, but I think Internet is the connecting key not p2p. If p2p hadn't been there still people would get a way to get to listen to tracks and new styles.

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Could point...do you support downloading of and sharing live sets of your gigs or Piets alone?

Yes no problem for me.

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I know where i would place my bet

LOL!

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij Sure, but I think Internet is the connecting key not p2p. If p2p hadn't been there still people would get a way to get to listen to tracks and new styles. Yes no problem for me. LOL!

If someone has bought 15 or so of your tracks, how would you felt if he downloaded 4-5 to listen to?

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Originally posted by Nell i think the point to consider here is that you've produced one of the biggest selling, most heard and meorable records at the height of trance's populairty. Because of that, you don't need as much promotion as someone starting out or less successfull. Rank 1 would survive without filesharing, others wouldnt.

True..

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Take a scenario where Airwave never existed. Do you think that all your follow up singles and album would of sold as many as they did if it wasnt for Airwave's success. I'd never heard of you till Airwave and then afterwards i backtracked your discog and found your kamaya painters material etc. Image and reputation are everything. Strayign off the point a little but just throughing in another angle

Okay, thats a fact, but remember that we started without that reputation once too.. But thats the way it works off course.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 If someone has bought 15 or so of your tracks, how would you felt if he downloaded 4-5 to listen to?

That's a trick question!
If that listening is only a try before you buy listening, I would not have a really big problem with it. As long as they buy it if they really like it.

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij That's a trick question! If that listening is only a try before you buy listening, I would not have a really big problem with it. As long as they buy it if they really like it.

im saying if he felt the 4-5 were average, and did not buy them. but bought the other 10-15 on vinyl.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 im saying if he felt the 4-5 were average, and did not buy them. but bought the other 10-15 on vinyl.

If i like it i buy it, if i think it's average i delete it...

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij If i like it i buy it, if i think it's average i delete it...

true, what is your opinion on DJs that force market average & below average trance?

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 true, what is your opinion on DJs that force market average & below average trance?

Average & below average is different for everybody. I don't bother, i just don't listen to things i don't like

ok

1. try before buy (mp3)
2. if it's good -> buy

some tracks are very hard to get them (limited copies or tracks that never released on vinyl or cd)

Ok then, you build Plasma TVs for a living. You yourself. You've parid for the course to learn how to make them, put all the money into buying the materials to make them.

You then SELL them to distributors who happily give you a good sum for them.

But someone takes one of the ones that you've made. Although you've got plenty of others that you could sell, you didn't get the money for one of them, which makes you feel like you've been robbed off �x

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij But do you think a lot of people buy trance in the US?

shouldn't DJ's take the first step if they want the country to buy records? not that i know anything about the market for trance in the US, just generally.

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Originally posted by Soeder shouldn't DJ's take the first step if they want the country to buy records? not that i know anything about the market for trance in the US, just generally.

Sure but i think most of them do actually, or get them for free from record companys for promotion. Or isnt that what you meant?

local dj's in the US use vinyl and cds...i don't know about in other countries hehee


and i'd say for the scene that we do have in the US...a vast majority of the people either want to aspire to dj or are themselves already djs, so there is a lot of vinyl going on. hell like i said earlier...i really just like to collect vinyl first and foremost and if i can someday dj, well than that's awesome, but i just love records hahah

I get promo mp3s and think of it as try before i buy. Every month i spend at least �40 on vinyl. Ive spent over �100 for a month on records loads of times, If i like a song ill get it on record to show some support,and so i can spin it. If i dont like it i wont get it

I know its illegal what im doing, but i personally think the piracy is aimed more towards the mainstream like chart music. Within the trance community recently ive seen more and more people supporting the artists, being it records, cd's, albums or even mp3's via beatport, audiojelly and such like. People seem to be supporting more and more

Without me downloading mp3s i wouldnt hear the music, so i wouldnt know what i liked and so what to buy, Its a catch 22 situation really

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Originally posted by knoxy5000 I get promo mp3s and think of it as try before i buy. Every month i spend at least �40 on vinyl. Ive spent over �100 for a month on records loads of times, If i like a song ill get it on record to show some support,and so i can spin it. If i dont like it i wont get it I know its illegal what im doing, but i personally think the piracy is aimed more towards the mainstream like chart music. Within the trance community recently ive seen more and more people supporting the artists, being it records, cd's, albums or even mp3's via beatport, audiojelly and such like. People seem to be supporting more and more

Glad to hear

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij Glad to hear

here you go Benno....i bet this guy will really piss ya off....this i dont agree with...have fun with him =)

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...343#post4812343

buy the music you like.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 here you go Benno....i bet this guy will really piss ya off....this i dont agree with...have fun with him =) http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...343#post4812343

That link won't work... And you got to go really far to make me pissed lol :P

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij That link won't work... And you got to go really far to make me pissed lol :P

lol it was some guy SELLING live sets...from Tiesto to Ferry to Sander to u name it....he has his own site..

Matter fact he is even selling Rank 1 live sets...he says he is giving the artists (YOU!!!) a cut...lol

here

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=283093

here is the Rank 1 page,....apparently he thinks you and Piet are one DJ...lol...hence naming it "DJ Rank 1" and not just Rank 1...unless some of those are Piets alone.

http://www.djlivesets.com/elsRank.html

DJ Rank 1 Essential Live Sets Series and Full Essential Live Series

Rank 1 - A State Of Trance Episode 147 XXL 2004-05-06
Rank 1 - Live at Community 2004-06-19
Rank 1 - Live at Studio 54 on IDT Radio - 25-06-2004
Rank 1 - Sonic 3 - Live From StJakobshalle! 2003-11-08
Rank 1 - N-joy in the mix 15-11-2003
Rank 1 - Sonic 3 stjakobshalle 09-11-2003
Live at Megaaplec Dance Palau Sant Jordi Barcelona Spain 31-05-2003
Rank 1 - Trance Energy 2004

Online Price $ 9.99

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Originally posted by tiesto14 here is the Rank 1 page,....apparently he thinks you and Piet are one DJ...lol...hence naming it "DJ Rank 1" and not just Rank 1...unless some of those are Piets alone. http://www.djlivesets.com/elsRank.html DJ Rank 1 Essential Live Sets Series and Full Essential Live Series Rank 1 - A State Of Trance Episode 147 XXL 2004-05-06 Rank 1 - Live at Community 2004-06-19 Rank 1 - Live at Studio 54 on IDT Radio - 25-06-2004 Rank 1 - Sonic 3 - Live From StJakobshalle! 2003-11-08 Rank 1 - N-joy in the mix 15-11-2003 Rank 1 - Sonic 3 stjakobshalle 09-11-2003 Live at Megaaplec Dance Palau Sant Jordi Barcelona Spain 31-05-2003 Rank 1 - Trance Energy 2004 Online Price $ 9.99

Quote from that site http://www.djlivesets.com/policies.html:
It is important to mention that if you are a DJ or recording label truly feels that DJlivesets.com intentions are not plausibly appropriate, we can remove any related material from works of you or recording label and we are willing and open for any negotiation.

That was all? :P

But thx for mentioning it

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