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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot I know there are lots of great people on TA that like to enjoy themselves, but seriously, when I see people fucked outta their minds on E or coke or some other substance of the moment, I seriously just lose a ton of respect for them, right there. I know some of you will tell me it's their decision, they can do what they want, they know what they're doing, etc, etc, but honestly, our crowd is way too accepting of this. It takes a lot to earn that respect back. Some of the things that many of you consider to be the norm would be considered crazy by 80%+ of the general human population. I just don't see a need for this kind of behaviour. There are no long-term benefits at all. If I go to a party and dance my ass off sober, then I have a good time, meet people, and get a good workout. But it doesn't take much to negate all of those benefits.

Drugs are apart of the nightlife scene, if it bothers you that much to see people on drugs you might want to reconsider being in a nightclub...

This thread is full of way too much hypocrasy for me

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Originally posted by fayraree no wai! So how come you act high all the time?

SCREW THAT IM GONNA KEEP PARTYING LIKE ITS 1999!!! ROD WHERES THE BLOW AT!


edit: btw i think im the only person that must have had fun while he wason blow lol. maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan if i still had my youth id be out abusing like i once did. i miss them days rod...i miss em

but thank god for our friends showing us what that shit can do to you and basically scarring us sober

ps btw whoeevr wants to buy some oxy's 10 bucks a pill. get em while theyre hot

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Originally posted by MissM The original post was a great one - we should all be proud of a fellow TA who had the balls to say what all of us, at one time or another have thought. M.

hey man i got the balls to say it too just ppl dont take me seriously ...


fuck u u fuckin crackies..10 bucks a pill it keep u goin allllllllllllll night

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Originally posted by Endlesswave The first sentence was spot on, she implied all drug use that was set up in people using it to extremes. As for this not being a public issue it IS one if we all party together and issues of drug use affect the scene and people's lives (in serious and negative ways, look at Cale's post). Maybe the only way someone can be shown the error of their ways in abusing drugs or anything for that matter(instead of being a moderate user) is by blantantly shoving the idea in their face. It was mentioned earlier in this thread how people who abuse stuff like drugs tend to NOT NOTICE what they are doing to themselves or their friends even, so I see as what Nat posted as a public service to this this board, the people we party with and the entire community at large. She did not specifiy names, she did not pick on certain people about this, she just expressed concern, and from what I can see did it in a way that was ok. Amazing thread Nat, and I agree with Jeff, sticky this bitch.

I completely agree.

The way I see it is I care about many people on this board and I hope that as my friends they care enough about me to look out for my well being aswell.

I dont think anyone needs to point fingers or call each other hypocrites. It's irrelevent as I think the entire point of this this thread was to give everyone a wake up call and move on. No one can move forward if we are constantly reminding them of the past.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* ...whatever about it, does not necessarily partake in using "Tony".

Those who don't partake then should probably refrain from making the jokes...I'm sure you can understand how that comes off.

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Originally posted by Skipper Those who don't partake then should probably refrain from making the jokes...I'm sure you can understand how that comes off.

i thought i told u to scrub my toillet, woman.

Yes, it's ok to point out everyone else's perceived problems but it's not ok to point out that the door swings both ways.

Anyone that's trying to post in this thread with clean hands is only fooling themselves.

I know what Nat's intentions were. And I don't doubt for a second that they didn't come from a good place, knowing the type of person she is. All I'm saying is that people are going to go on the offensive quite naturally when you start deciding for them that their use is a problem whereas your own is quite acceptable.

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Originally posted by tatgirl Either people get their shit together (and I really hope they do), or maybe they just should hop on their beloved 'Tony Island' and go float away to join www.drugaddicts.com .

I am sorry - I don't know this Tony Island story. Can any one enlighten me?

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Originally posted by Skipper Those who don't partake then should probably refrain from making the jokes...I'm sure you can understand how that comes off.

I know that, and that's why I posted that the entire joke itself should not be posted on the internet any long.

The reason why it got to be such a big deal is b/c it was a joke, just like any joke is with a group of friends. At no point were "Tony Island" comments having anything to do with drugs. The entire point of the "Island" was that it's a big blow up bed that when you sit on it is like you're on an island. That is all. It's just the same as saying, "I'm going to go sit on the big blow up couch."

But as you said, the joke makes people come off in a certain light, which is why in my prior post I said that maybe it's time the jokes about it are no longer posted.

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Originally posted by adi26 I am sorry - I don't know this Tony Island story. Can any one enlighten me?

I don't think the particulars of Tony Island need to be discussed any further. Just like Graham had mentioned earlier, stabs at individual people or groups of people should not be made. So I think it would be best if the "Tony Island story" not be posted. I hope other people will respect this as well.

{Edit} Just an FYI to all of those who don't know...Tony Island is a BLOW UP AIR MATRESS!! A place to sit or lay with there is not enough room on chairs or couches. That is all!!

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Originally posted by Irishaddict Yes, it's ok to point out everyone else's perceived problems but it's not ok to point out that the door swings both ways. Anyone that's trying to post in this thread with clean hands is only fooling themselves. I know what Nat's intentions were. And I don't doubt for a second that they didn't come from a good place, knowing the type of person she is. All I'm saying is that people are going to go on the offensive quite naturally when you start deciding for them that their use is a problem whereas your own is quite acceptable.

ok well then let me tell u ppl my problems and then i can judge all of ya.



i seldom use drugs...maybe anywhere from 3-5 times year usually alot less. but when i do i go full out. like i used to be a bit of a crackie when i was younger so alot of drugs i have a high tolerance for. so i got to go full out to catch a buzz which usually renders me feeling shitty for the next 4-5 days, thus why i only do it maybe 3 times a year. last time i did drugs i felt like shit for over 2 weeks and now i dont think ill ever touch ex again. same thing happened with cocaine. used to do it alot when i was younger but the comedowns started becoming to hard for me so i dont do it anymore and the thought of the drug disgusts me. However the night of scumfrog at this is london i was jacked up on coke. felt so shitty inside the club that i had to drink my face off just to not feel the coke effects. that must have been abt 4 months ago. thats the last time ive tried any drugs. cept for oxycotins i popped like a month ago at work cause someone had a bag full. shouldnt be fuckin with pain killers but whatever.


do i have a drug habit? yeah a small one..very minimal compared to some peeps. do i have a history of drug abuse, yes i do but i believe my drug abuse was more because of my rebelious attitude and willingness to try new things. first man in the pool i guess. but whatever here i am today at the age of 24 and i look back at my life notice i have made tons of mistakes but fuck did i find the right path in life for me. somehow by jumpin form path to path i found the right one and im planning to stay on this one for quite a while till i find something better. which is more then some can say. so yes i can be reckless but thorugh it i found my niche in life. im happy, confident and if it wasnt for drugs and being an idiot i would have never gotten to where i am.



now since im done judging myself. its time to judge u guys who have the soo called "drug Problem".

all i can say to u ppl is hahahahahahahahahahahaha been there done that its a looooooooong journey. and ur not gonna change unless YOU want too. aint nobody gonna change ur mind or change ur habits but YOU. dont wait around for it, nats not gonna make u stop im not gonna make u stop nobody is gonna make u stop. Hell u prolly dont even think u have a problem.. which is cool, ur just not ready to stop.


but if u are, theres only one way to go abt it. first thing u do is go thru the withdrawl period. No, im not talking abt the physial addiction part. im talking abt the addiction to the lifestyle. for a good few motnhs u got to break off all ur ties to ur friends who u usually do drugs with / party with. lock ur ass up in ur house for a while. let ur mind heal and gain strength assuring urself u dont need this shit. then u got to make new contacts and find new intrests and start a brand new life. YAYYYYYYYYYYYY FUN.



im done preaching

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Originally posted by Skipper Those who don't partake then should probably refrain from making the jokes...I'm sure you can understand how that comes off.

why should people censor themselves if their joking about something?

i sure never have or never will at the risk of somebody judgeing me.


also where do you guys get your information from???

its called sources , try and use them when you make wild speculations about anything

wow this thread got big fast...

I went through a period, where I was not too happy with a lot of the things in my life, and was overdoing the partying huge, the culmination of my excessive use came to a head, when I did so much/many substances in one night that I basically had a paranoia attack and lost my grasp of reality. I had no understanding of what was real and not real, and I was in state of fear so intense, I can't fully describe it in words, it was truly a night of horror, and I was shaken up for days. I do think tho, that that was the best thing that could have happened to me, b/c I got my shit together. I would never wish what I experienced on anyone b/c it was close to unbearable, but I think people need to realize that overdoing it and mixing things together can extremely adverse effects, we need to be careful, we are not superhumans.

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy but if u are, theres only one way to go abt it. first thing u do is go thru the withdrawl period. No, im not talking abt the physial addiction part. im talking abt the addiction to the lifestyle. for a good few motnhs u got to break off all ur ties to ur friends who u usually do drugs with / party with. lock ur ass up in ur house for a while. let ur mind heal and gain strength assuring urself u dont need this shit. then u got to make new contacts and find new intrests and start a brand new life. YAYYYYYYYYYYYY FUN.

It may sound hard, but this is very very true.

if your gunna do drugs go ahead and do them...no one is stopping you, but for your own personal safety use responsibly. thats it.

and for the "tony island" jokes, why should ppl who know what that is hide it? who gives a shit its a joke..remember ha ha funny funny. its a blow up bed...which is reallly amazing to sleep/sit/lounge on(thanks for sharing joshy)

we are all smart people..well id like to think/hope so, we all have brains, so lets make sure they still work

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Originally posted by KaiLee Drugs are apart of the nightlife scene, if it bothers you that much to see people on drugs you might want to reconsider being in a nightclub... This thread is full of way too much hypocrasy for me

There is no hypocrasy. I never said it bothered me. I just said I prefer not to engage in that kind of activity, and people who push it too far at the expense of themselves don't earn my respect by doing that. Are you telling me that I shouldn't go clubbing because I don't approve of some people's behaviour? Those are the same people who give clubbing/electronic music a negative image in the public's eye.

It's the same kind of respect you lose for a body-builder when you learn that they do steroids. It's their choice, and I have no choice other than to accept it, but I don't have to approve of it. That being said, would it be fair for you to tell someone to reconsider going to the gym to work out if they held the same negative opinion of the steriod-pumped lamers who frequent the place? I have every right to be at a nightclub if I want to.

Do people not realize that they, themselves, are part of the reason that our beloved music carries the image of the music of drug-addicted sketched-out people who never go to bed? Yes, I would enjoy it a lot more if there weren't drunk, sketched out people all over the place. I party sober. Every single time. That's my choice. Of course I wish others would do the same, but I don't think I'm being hypocritical in having that wish.

I have had several close friends have very close calls with k. One being the dealer doing his stash, and the dealers best friend doing his stash.

yea it got messy, it ruined their lives and it lead to a situation just like the show intervention for both of them. One said no, got kicked out of his house, and was a wreck, but still using. The other said yes, and started on a great path right away.

fast forward 6 months and hes doing great. in fact they both are.


While I dont know any details of "tony island" whos doing k, g, coke, crack, e or whatever, just realize that when your FRIENDS confront you (and graham seems to think this post is directed @ some people), theres a pretty good chance that they are right, and if you cant see their concern and inability to help you without confrontation, then you just keep on munching your little pills.


If I was nat, I would send PMs to those I was concerned with and forward them to post 1 page 1. Sure it might do some relationship damage, but short term damage is WELL WORTH the improvements to ones life.

never done it, never will
hate people that do it and try to stay away from them

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Originally posted by geroin never done it, never will hate people that do it and try to stay away from them

Good job!

But why is your TA name 1 letter away from a drug??

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Originally posted by j_spot While I dont know any details of "tony island" whos doing k, g, coke, crack, e or whatever, just realize that when your FRIENDS confront you (and graham seems to think this post is directed @ some people), theres a pretty good chance that they are right, and if you cant see their concern and inability to help you without confrontation, then you just keep on munching your little pills. If I was nat, I would send PMs to those I was concerned with and forward them to post 1 page 1. Sure it might do some relationship damage, but short term damage is WELL WORTH the improvements to ones life.

yes, the idea of this thread is great. we all know people (ME??!?!?) that have gone or are on the wrong side of the line. but this is a tricky topic, and again. maybe a lot of you don't see the personal references, but myself and several others, who know a lot of TAs outside this board, can easily see who a lot of the posts are directed to. i'm talking about all the posts, not just the starting one.

i'm sitting here wondering how so and so is going to feel when s/he reads this thread and sees so many posts looking in their direction, especially if these same posters haven't said anything to his/her face. pretty shitty i imagine.

even more so when the people that are partying beside him/her every weekend are the same ones in this thread acting all "drugs are bad. people who get fuct up are stupid. why can't people control themselves".

Now that I think about the thread name and all thats already been discussed.. does TOTA really have that big of a crisis?

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Originally posted by cyper Now that I think about the thread name and all thats already been discussed.. does TOTA really have that big of a crisis?

if it does my entrepeneurial skills will most likely kick in

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