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Originally posted by Jem_hadar That's good ennuf! "People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. They will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true... Passion rules reason. The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason."

Hmmm good quote from Mr. Zed and Richard

So... this is the first I have heard about this situation. I am not a political person, and I do not know much of what is going on, but I will say this.

The reason I didn't know that this happened is because I have shut myself off from the media. Why? No, it isn't because I am ignorant, or whatever negative lable you wish to attach to my decision. It is because I strongly believe that the media is not good for the mind. As someone said earlier, the media produces fear-tactics and horrible images that cause a clouding of peoples judgements. I really think it is unhealthy for the mass' to be constantly exposed to this sort of material.

I prefer you not to make a judgement call on my choice.

Anyway, with that being said, I think this will simply add more fuel to their fear-fire. I encourage all of you not to be consumed by it.

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Originally posted by Theresa So... this is the first I have heard about this situation. I am not a political person, and I do not know much of what is going on, but I will say this. The reason I didn't know that this happened is because I have shut myself off from the media. Why? No, it isn't because I am ignorant, or whatever negative lable you wish to attach to my decision. It is because I strongly believe that the media is not good for the mind. As someone said earlier, the media produces fear-tactics and horrible images that cause a clouding of peoples judgements. I really think it is unhealthy for the mass' to be constantly exposed to this sort of material. I prefer you not to make a judgement call on my choice. Anyway, with that being said, I think this will simply add more fuel to their fear-fire. I encourage all of you not to be consumed by it.

I hear yea Theresa.
It's one of the biggest reasons I haven't had cable in the last 7 years or so cause it's a one-eyed brain sucker.
I don't like watching 'the news' but I will (try) and keep myself up to date with what I think is relevant via (mostly political) blogs and such.
The danger there of course is that they can even be more opinionated than the news but at least it's not all negative!
I control how much and when.

No judgement call on my end cause it looks like we're on the same wagon!

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf The conflict is in following an idealogy that's hell-bent on the destruction of other cultures.

When are you gonna stop believing what your Mommy taught you?

P.S. All of your quotes were taken out of context. Refer to the "tafsir" (explanation) of the verses you quoted by Ibn Kathir, one of the most respected Muslim scholars in Islamic history and we'll talk. Do you still misunderstand what Muslims really believe in?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Kathir

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Originally posted by Theresa Hmmm good quote from Mr. Zed and Richard

The Zeddicus Zul Zorander himself!

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Originally posted by Theresa The reason I didn't know that this happened is because I have shut myself off from the media.

That's a good call, Theresa, but one of the benefits of living in North America is the freedom of the press. No, I'm not talking about mainstream TV, but you'll find unique perspectives on every issue if you scrape the surface and do a little more research just to get the facts, not the value judgements.

The media, unfortunately, is filled with value judgements and instructions on "what to do" which is what causes all the fear and hysteria.

You know what--keep doing what you're doing and let me be your guide to the news!

In related news, Fahad is the hottest man on the planet...

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Originally posted by fayraree That's a good call, Theresa, but one of the benefits of living in North America is the freedom of the press. No, I'm not talking about mainstream TV, but you'll find unique perspectives on every issue if you scrape the surface and do a little more research just to get the facts, not the value judgements. The media, unfortunately, is filled with value judgements and instructions on "what to do" which is what causes all the fear and hysteria. You know what--keep doing what you're doing and let me be your guide to the news! In related news, Fahad is the hottest man on the planet...

Bahaha! You're awesome

Yea, a lot of people think I am really weird that I have no idea what is going on. Things like celebrities getting married or other shit like that, I have ZERO knowledge on. If you were to show me a picture of just about anyone recently famous, I likly wouldn't be able to identify them.

When it comes to politics and world events, although it may seem to be a bad thing, I don't have much knowledge in that subject either. When London was bombed, I didn't know for a couple of months.

I like it this way though. I have found that since I have stopped watching mainstream television (I do download select television shows without commercials,) and tuning myself into the awful shit people do, I have been MUCH MUCH happier. Not to mention that as a consumer, I am buying WAY less shit that I don't really want. I haven't been sucked into the i-pod craze, and "fads" don't catch on with me.

Meh. Just a lifestyle choice I made 3 years ago that I have never regretted.

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Originally posted by Theresa When it comes to politics and world events, although it may seem to be a bad thing, I don't have much knowledge in that subject either. When London was bombed, I didn't know for a couple of months. I like it this way though. I have found that since I have stopped watching mainstream television (I do download select television shows without commercials,) and tuning myself into the awful shit people do, I have been MUCH MUCH happier. Not to mention that as a consumer, I am buying WAY less shit that I don't really want. I haven't been sucked into the i-pod craze, and "fads" don't catch on with me.

it's one thing to not want to watch the news but you really should try to get some information about the world around you in some way. it may get you in trouble if you don't.

why not read the google news page once a day? just check out the headlines?

I have been living in a bubble as I liked to call it for about a year... only recently to have been popped.


Now, I do think that reading information in news reports (like Stereoprincess mentioned) or catching up on local and global news by listening to the radio every once in a while is good to grasp reality and be aware of our surroundings.

680 news is good or I watch citypulse in the morning to wake up... other than that... only seinfeld and sex in the city... ha ha.

I guess my bubble has officially been burst... I definately don't need the visuals of heart ache and torture around the world, but we can't live in a bubble forever.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess it's one thing to not want to watch the news but you really should try to get some information about the world around you in some way. it may get you in trouble if you don't. why not read the google news page once a day? just check out the headlines?

You can actually subscribe to the bbc news service and they will email you newsheadlines as they get them throughout the day.
Good way to keep up to date on current events.

here are a friends of mine comments on the whole thing

i agree with them

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why the "terrorists" are a joke: (1) they're kids (2) they grew up here - i think it's hard to get the terrorist mentality if you grew up as a 2nd gen surrounded by comfort. Even the immigrant work ethic is hard to pass on (3) they got caught by the canadian intelligence agency which is a joke (4) it's canada... who bombs canada? people cross the border from here to bomb the US

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Originally posted by fayraree I don't see how maintaining faith and/or the culture from your country of origin contradicts the defense and safety of our citizens. Don't confuse the people who don't care about the safety of others with those who want to maintain faith and culture.

All I can say to that is that your own views of Islam do not reflect the views of many other Muslims with whom I have spoken. And not to single you out, since this does not actually pertain in any way to Muslims any more than it does to other ethnic and religious groups. Many people here vehemently hold on to ideals and practices indigenous to the places of their origin, and through my conversations with such, I've seen much more contempt for this country than actual love of being here. Many come here to exploit what is given freely, and freely give nothing back. Religion and a way of living are usually so strongly interconnected, and unfortunately, its been my experience that those maintaining their faith and culture the strongest are those with least care about others.

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So what happens to churches, synagogues, and mosques? What's wrong with fasting during the month of Ramadan while you're at work or having a place of worship at work? How is that "imposing beliefs on others"? I think you would have to be pretty misguided, confused, or weak of mind to allow other people's actions to impose on you.

Places built for communities to congregate, and worship together are a great addition to this country. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. We do abide by cerain principals of political correctness, and I think these guidelines should be followed by all in a professional environment. Again, I don't wish to sound like I'm judging, but the two places that I've worked that allowed this, and the few stories I've heard of individuals whose workplaces allowed this, created tension and alienation between employees. CLearly those employees who share a common religion, and whom will pray together five times a day will have a stronger connection to each other than to those around them. Now, there is nothing inherently wrong with this. However, taking your own words, the world is full to the brim of individuals that are pretty misguided, confused, and weak of mind. It is the interaction of ALL of these individuals, regardless from whence they are from, or from which religion they practice, that ultimately creates tension. Believe what you will, but I think that in any corporate environment, this kind of behaiviour is easy to pick up on, and it is this that becomes imposing to me. Even when approached with an open heart and full tolerance, more often I've been refused by these individuals, with an air of indifference, than not.

You strike me as an individual that is not of that credo, one who has embraced the union of a strong cultural background and integrated it into a positive way to live you life here. I've tried to do the same. So please don't retort with "that is not a true Muslim/Christian/Whatever". The world is NOT full of secular human beings, it is in fact full of those wishing to cut their own piece of the pie, and stick to what they know. Its just human nature.

Hey... guess who showed up in court to support the arrested?

Zaynab Khadr... yup, you guessed it, the sister in Canada's self-confessed al-Qaeda family.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...y/National/home

They seem to like to stick together, don't they?

This just in..
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/nati...n-soldiers.html

Could this have anything to do with what has happened in Canada the last 4 days?

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Originally posted by Refinnej This just in.. http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/nati...n-soldiers.html Could this have anything to do with what has happened in Canada the last 4 days?

and the answer to that is more troops in afghanistan, and then more terrorists in canada, etc etc...

slippery slope, here we come!!!

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Originally posted by simms327 here are a friends of mine comments on the whole thing i agree with them quote: why the "terrorists" are a joke: (1) they're kids (2) they grew up here - i think it's hard to get the terrorist mentality if you grew up as a 2nd gen surrounded by comfort. Even the immigrant work ethic is hard to pass on (3) they got caught by the canadian intelligence agency which is a joke (4) it's canada... who bombs canada? people cross the border from here to bomb the US

While we may think of them as a joke (ala Jihad-lite) they are certainly not.
Jihad-lite or not, terrorists are terrorists are terrorists.
It doesn't matter how old they are, what ethnic background they are, what religion they are or from what country.
A bombing going off here in Canada (or anywhere else for that matter) is indiscriminate of any of it's victims' backgrounds, religion or creed.

We are being lulled by the media that they're 'just one of us' and we're falling for it.
Regardless if their values are misplaced, lets not give them excuses where none lie...

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Hey... guess who showed up in court to support the arrested? Zaynab Khadr... yup, you guessed it, the sister in Canada's self-confessed al-Qaeda family. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...y/National/home They seem to like to stick together, don't they?

lol big surprise indeed

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess it's one thing to not want to watch the news but you really should try to get some information about the world around you in some way. it may get you in trouble if you don't. why not read the google news page once a day? just check out the headlines?

The question is, what is so beneficial for my knowing any of this? I can't do anything about most of it, and anything that I could do something about, I probably wouldn't. I know where I stand politically (I have done enough research to know what the party policies are,) and I vote accordingly. After that, it's pretty much out of my hands.

I truly don't think my knowing what's going on will do anything but worry and concern me. I have a lot of my own things to deal with in my life, I don't need the weight of a ridiculous war, or potential terrorists who plan to blow me up on my shoulders too. Perhaps this makes me "stupid", but if I am going to be blown up, I would rather not know (that is of course, as long as there would be nothing I could do to prevent it).

A lot of people don't seem to understand this. If someone could give me a very solid example as to why it is important for me to be up to date on this stuff, I would be interested to know.

Like I said, I have been this way for 3 years, and not once has it caused a problem for me. I am a lot happier in general.

P.S. I do hear blurbs on news on the radio every now and then, so if there was a rapist lurking my neighbourhood, I would be aware of it.

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Originally posted by Theresa The question is, what is so beneficial for my knowing any of this? I can't do anything about most of it, and anything that I could do something about, I probably wouldn't. I know where I stand politically (I have done enough research to know what the party policies are,) and I vote accordingly. After that, it's pretty much out of my hands. I truly don't think my knowing what's going on will do anything but worry and concern me. I have a lot of my own things to deal with in my life, I don't need the weight of a ridiculous war, or potential terrorists who plan to blow me up on my shoulders too. Perhaps this makes me "stupid", but if I am going to be blown up, I would rather not know (that is of course, as long as there would be nothing I could do to prevent it). A lot of people don't seem to understand this. If someone could give me a very solid example as to why it is important for me to be up to date on this stuff, I would be interested to know. Like I said, I have been this way for 3 years, and not once has it caused a problem for me. I am a lot happier in general. P.S. I do hear blurbs on news on the radio every now and then, so if there was a rapist lurking my neighbourhood, I would be aware of it.

This totally is what I called my 'bubble'... totally happy living in it as well... I agree with you...

But I think to each their own...

We all have our own way to find balance with the world around us.

^^^ This is kind of isolating yourself from the reality of the world though...not just reality of the world maybe but reality altogether. Just my 2 cents

Calling it a bubble gives the illusion that I sit at home sheltering myself from everything. That isn't the case.

I am a student, I go out with friends, I work, I vote. I am not some hermit who hides in my closet trying to avoid the world. If stuff gets through to me, I will pay attention, but I will not watch the news, I will not read the paper, and I wont find interest in gossip magazines.

People think it is unnatural for me to be so shut out, but I think it is unnatural for us to know what Ahmad Karbali on 23 Walklasha Lane in Iran is eating for breakfast. With new technology, we are satisfying our natural curiousities of what other people do, but it's to an extreme. I think it's weird.

People become obsessed with other peoples lives, and things that are out of their control, and to what end?! Stress, worry, depression, ignoring the life you have of your own?? Mostly anyone who lives in the Western culture has become immune to images of violence and suffering. In fact, in more than a few cases, some people find it humourous. I mean, take a look at all of the terrible videos floating on the net that tonnes of people seem to get entertainment from.

Is THAT normal?! I think it is corrupt how people can watch a video of someone getting hit by a car, or someone torturing a cat and get some laughs out of it. More often than not, my reactions to things like that seem more normal, even though it isn't as common, and it's mainly due to the fact that I am not CONSTANTLY exposed to it.

Take a look in the newspaper and do a little experiment. Go through only the headlines, and count how many "negative" words there are, like "war", "death", "terrorist", "murder", etc. and then go through and do the same with the "positive" words. P.S. Words like "the" and "it" don't count as positive.

This is what people feed their minds every day and I think this is when the expression "you are what you eat" applies.

And if any of you are willing to actually give it a try, I think you should do a self test and see the results for yourself.

Write a general review on how you feel about things; when you read a newspaper, write about how your mood changes afterward, when you watch TV, write about the feelings you have towards the different images you see. Then go 2-4 weeks without watching any television, reading newspapers, (or online news), and then do the same thing. I am guessing your productivity will go up, you will feel better in general, and you will be buying less "junk".

I doubt anyone will actually do it because everyone seems to be addicted to their stupid TV boxes, but if you do, let me know the results.

I *heart* my tv box...but I have no time for it anymore

This kind of idea reminds of the "sticking your head in the sand" idea - if you can't see it, it doesn't happen...although you do have some good points, but underlying idea behind the argument i disagree with

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I think if you are intelligent enough you will make your own judgements and assumptions about what you hear and what you read. There is no need to ignore them.

^^

Like I said... I agree...

I refer to it as a bubble... cause it makes me laugh... and keeps people off my back when they ask me about who killed who or which terrorist is where etc, etc...

I too think TV is a waste. I don't need negativity filtered into my everyday life.


I hate CNN.

I don't watch CNN per-se but let's not blame CNN cause it's the big one...it's like saying McDonald's is bad but all the other junk food restaurants are supposedly excluded

If we're blaming news lets blame them all...

I am not blaming CNN... I just hate watching it. I can't stand it... it's like... making me watch baseball!!

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