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Originally posted by Abhay The Jewish government and people seem to have conviniently forgotten that these people were soldiers. It's a part of their job description to risk getting captured or killed.

this isn't a job we sign up for - there's a draft here.

so meh, my mom just woke me up cause the city is being bombed... not the best way to start the day...

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Originally posted by Psy-T so meh, my mom just woke me up cause the city is being bombed... not the best way to start the day...

Heh, yeah...the alram woke me up here, along with the couple of bombings. great morning to wake up to...

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Originally posted by Abhay Shows how much they devalue the lives and well-being of other nations. You've got 3 of our soldiers, and we're willing to kill as many of your people as necessary to get them back. It works well in the romanticism of the jewish public: "Our government values each and every one of our citizens so much that it's willing to start a war just to protect the rights of 2-3". The Jewish government and people seem to have conviniently forgotten that these people were soldiers. It's a part of their job description to risk getting captured or killed. I guess it's just got to do with the typical zionist attitudes of "we are god's chosen people". It just excludes everyone else, and devalues them and their lives. All of the arabs in the zionist mindset have been severely dehumanised.

You've missed the point completely.
Those soldiers were within their OWN BORDERS when it happened.
By any civil, modern country's standards that's an act of war plain and simple.
Killing and kidnapping a government's soldiers is quite different than civilians so let's be clear about this distinction because their are rules of engagement when it comes to crossing borders and killing another's military.
Then the perpetrators have the audacity to demand a lopsided prisoner exchange with known terrorists?
Please save us the morality ploy.

The Israelis have bent over backwards these last couple of years and what do they get? A proxy war with Syrian and Iranian backed Hizballah /Hamas firing rockets over the green line into Israel from land they already left.

Again the war isn't on Lebanon, it's on the Hizballah IN Lebanon.
The Israelis have made concerted efforts to let everyone know in Lebanon to get the hell out of the way while this is going on.
Why would they do that? That doesn't sound like the acts of selfish Zionism.

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Originally posted by KrazyDJs Heh, yeah...the alram woke me up here, along with the couple of bombings. great morning to wake up to...

Hope this all gets resolved fast for you guys and everyone else that got sucked into this thing...

9 people got killed now by bombing on haifa 1 deadly injured and 20 ijnured.

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Originally posted by Psy-T so meh, my mom just woke me up cause the city is being bombed... not the best way to start the day...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5178058.stm

Edit: Shouldn't you be looking for a shelter or something?

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Originally posted by Lira http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5178058.stm Edit: Shouldn't you be looking for a shelter or something?

its 120 km from here.

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Originally posted by Lira http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5178058.stm Edit: Shouldn't you be looking for a shelter or something?

nah, they're only firing katyusha's... in order for those to hurt me they have to get a direct hit on my house, if they hit adjacent houses the debris won't get here, i'm not worried

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U.N. peacekeepers wait next to the bodies of citizens who were killed when Israeli warplanes targeted their vehicles, on the main road near the southern border village of Ter Harfa, Lebanon, Saturday, July 15, 2006, while they were fleeing their village. At least 12 Lebanese villagers, including women and children, were killed in what appeared to be an Israeli airstrike on a convoy of vehicles evacuating a village near the border with Israel in southern Lebanon, a witness said. The convoy was leaving the village of Marwaheen, which abuts the border, when it was attacked. (AP Photo/Mohammed Zaatari)

FILTHY ZIONIST TERRORISTS

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r The Israelis have made concerted efforts to let everyone know in Lebanon to get the hell out of the way while this is going on. Why would they do that? That doesn't sound like the acts of selfish Zionism.

WTF???are you on crack?how are they suppose to get the fuck out of the way when there is no way to get out in the first place?

the terrorist regime of Israel doesnt give a fuck what anyone thinks of them nor will the listen to anyone.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r You've missed the point completely. Those soldiers were within their OWN BORDERS when it happened. By any civil, modern country's standards that's an act of war plain and simple. Killing and kidnapping a government's soldiers is quite different than civilians so let's be clear about this distinction because their are rules of engagement when it comes to crossing borders and killing another's military. Then the perpetrators have the audacity to demand a lopsided prisoner exchange with known terrorists? Please save us the morality ploy. The Israelis have bent over backwards these last couple of years and what do they get? A proxy war with Syrian and Iranian backed Hizballah /Hamas firing rockets over the green line into Israel from land they already left. Again the war isn't on Lebanon, it's on the Hizballah IN Lebanon. The Israelis have made concerted efforts to let everyone know in Lebanon to get the hell out of the way while this is going on. Why would they do that? That doesn't sound like the acts of selfish Zionism.

Uh

U don't just go into another person's country's and borders and start attacking and bombing them, unless it was that country's army itself that started things. That's more of an act of war against a nation, than a group of rogue terrorists attacking a nation. In reality, to for terrorists launch an attack, they'd have to be in someone's country, and u can't automatically parse blame onto that country for that. Seriously, how much land is there on this planet, that hasn't been claimed as some nation's land.

There's diplomatic processes and forewarnings that need to be put in place. The israeli's are affecting the civilians of these country's who have nothing to do with anything, not so much capturing hezbollah militants. This is what i'm talking about when i say just rampant disrespect for other nations and their civlians.

Speaking of these rockets, they're all very ineffective, and nearly all of these home made piles of shit don't actually have the range to make it deep enough into israeli territory. So giving a huge number of rockets that've been fired (who the hell counts anyway?), is very misleading, when 99% of them don't do anything. I mean i haven't seen very much footage of the damage that the hezbollah rockets have caused in Israeli territory.

It's al too heavy handed IMO. I don't think either sides are angels, but in this case i'm really against what the israeli's are doing.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King FILTHY ZIONIST TERRORISTS

isn't this.. err,, 'officially' a war by now? what does terrorism have to do with it? what definition of terrorism are you using?

i just hope this escalates enough to give israel an excuse to strike iran's nuclear facilities and bring them a decade back.

I wonder also how is the israeli-turkish alliance will be worked out in this conflict in the becoming.

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Originally posted by Psy-T so meh, my mom just woke me up cause the city is being bombed... not the best way to start the day...

it's funny how people in these regions just get on with their lives. I mean over here, ppl would be going crazy.

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Originally posted by Abhay it's funny how people in these regions just get on with their lives. I mean over here, ppl would be going crazy.

most people around here are hysteric, including my family and neighbours

In full support of Isreal and their actions hope all the TA Isreali/Lebanese come out ok and out of harms way if possible

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Originally posted by Psy-T most people around here are hysteric, including my family and neighbours

then y are u so calm?

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer WTF???are you on crack?how are they suppose to get the fuck out of the way when there is no way to get out in the first place? the terrorist regime of Israel doesnt give a fuck what anyone thinks of them nor will the listen to anyone.

very mature post
Before every attack the IAF warns the citizens of the upcoming bombing.
When Hezbollah chooses to launch their missiles and to mount their HQ in the middle of populated neighbourhoods, there's no doubt that civilian facilities will be damaged.
many tourists are leaving the prone-to-air attacks areas, so shall do citizens if they dont want to get hurt. It's their homes, but also Hezbollah facilities.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King FILTHY ZIONIST TERRORISTS

FORSHO

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Originally posted by Abhay Uh U don't just go into another person's country's and borders and start attacking and bombing them, unless it was that country's army itself that started things. That's more of an act of war against a nation, than a group of rogue terrorists attacking a nation. In reality, to for terrorists launch an attack, they'd have to be in someone's country, and u can't automatically parse blame onto that country for that. Seriously, how much land is there on this planet, that hasn't been claimed as some nation's land. There's diplomatic processes and forewarnings that need to be put in place. The israeli's are affecting the civilians of these country's who have nothing to do with anything, not so much capturing hezbollah militants. This is what i'm talking about when i say just rampant disrespect for other nations and their civlians. Speaking of these rockets, they're all very ineffective, and nearly all of these home made piles of shit don't actually have the range to make it deep enough into israeli territory. So giving a huge number of rockets that've been fired (who the hell counts anyway?), is very misleading, when 99% of them don't do anything. I mean i haven't seen very much footage of the damage that the hezbollah rockets have caused in Israeli territory. It's al too heavy handed IMO. I don't think either sides are angels, but in this case i'm really against what the israeli's are doing.

Israel warned Hezbollah, when we withdrew from Lebanon in 2000, that if Hezbollah attacks Israel WITHIN its boarders, the response will be harsh and massive. youre still ignoring this. Israel is attacked not only once, but every 6 months by Hezbollah militants, while Nasrallah addmits he is trying to capture a soldier (with his stupid provokations).

About the missiles, im sorry, but your logic is totally fucked up.
Regradless that these rockets ARE INDEED lethal, the story isnt about their effectiveness. Only the fact that Israel is being attacked within its internation recognized baorders is outraging. what would you say if IDF bombed lebanese territories without hitting humans, is this legitimate? not to mention that the rockets do hit our citizens.

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Originally posted by Abhay Try to not think of South-West asia as a part of the middle east. THey're not that closesly linked.

Im sorry but last i knew from my asian studies class of all the countries i mentioned India is the only one that people in the know qualify as "Asian". Pakistan and Iran are "Middle-Eastern", its a pretty arbitrary demarcation and its made by westerners but thats how it goes in my books. And as far as my research is going they are pretty "closely linked" at the moment, ovbiously not culturally but they're economic and idelogical ties are getting stronger by the minute.

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Originally posted by KrazyDJs Heh, yeah...the alram woke me up here, along with the couple of bombings. great morning to wake up to...

ha ha ha. Have a nice day, sit tight!

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Originally posted by venomX Im sorry but last i knew from my asian studies class of all the countries i mentioned India is the only one that people in the know qualify as "Asian". Pakistan and Iran are "Middle-Eastern", its a pretty arbitrary demarcation and its made by westerners but thats how it goes in my books. And as far as my research is going they are pretty "closely linked" at the moment, ovbiously not culturally but they're economic and idelogical ties are getting stronger by the minute.

Economically, India is a lot more closely tied to teh west than Iran any day.

Believe me.

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Originally posted by epsilon1 Israel warned Hezbollah, when we withdrew from Lebanon in 2000, that if Hezbollah attacks Israel WITHIN its boarders, the response will be harsh and massive. youre still ignoring this. Israel is attacked not only once, but every 6 months by Hezbollah militants, while Nasrallah addmits he is trying to capture a soldier (with his stupid provokations). About the missiles, im sorry, but your logic is totally fucked up. Regradless that these rockets ARE INDEED lethal, the story isnt about their effectiveness. Only the fact that Israel is being attacked within its internation recognized baorders is outraging. what would you say if IDF bombed lebanese territories without hitting humans, is this legitimate? not to mention that the rockets do hit our citizens.

I'm not of the region, so anything i say in my opinion loses it's credibility. I'm much open to what ppl living in the region says, as opposed to voicing my opinion.

I can understand your point, and see the validity in it.

Nevertheless, to say that hezbollah operates within densley populated reasons, isn't the same as hezbollah operating IN INNOCENT PEOPLE'S HOMES.

I'm sorry, but there really needs to be a lot of brainstorming in what to do in such a situation, u simply can't go around hurting the livelihoods of a populace of 10s of thousands of people, when only .1% of them would know of or have anything to do with hezbollah.

The reality is, hezbollah members are likely to predict what IDF would do, and would take measure to avoiding getting hit. However, this is not the case for the innocent civilians who have no idea what the hell hezbollh is doing, and have no idea why the hell there is suddenly bombs dorpping on them.

Im not saying Israel shouldn't get pissed off. I'm just saying that the international community and israel need to fight terrorism via other methods (not so say that hezbollah and their ideology is invalid, who am I to judge?).

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