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Re: Re: UCLA police taser a student

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Originally posted by Dj_Skez ...

the police exist to uphold the laws of the land, they're not above the law, they are half of the executive hand of the law. when policemen lose even a bit of their objectivity (as in your irrelevant anecdote), they're no longer policemen - ideally speaking that is - and who needs a police force that can't stand up to the ideal?

an illusion of safety is not preferable neither to safety itself, nor to the lack of both.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Please tell me your tongue is planted firmly in your cheek.....

oh please man....If America was so bad why are people dieing to come to our "streets paved with gold"?

America IS a free country...it has its flaws, like any other thing/place, but it a very desirable place to live.

Re: Re: Re: UCLA police taser a student

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Originally posted by Psy-T the police exist to uphold the laws of the land, they're not above the law, they are half of the executive hand of the law. when policemen lose even a bit of their objectivity (as in your irrelevant anecdote), they're no longer policemen - ideally speaking that is - and who needs a police force that can't stand up to the ideal? an illusion of safety is not preferable neither to safety itself, nor to the lack of both.

They did uphold the law. The kid had no ID, he was asked to leave, he refused and acted all selfrighteous, he got the taser...where is the crime on the police side?

Re: Re: Re: Re: UCLA police taser a student

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Originally posted by tiesto14 where is the crime on the police side?

Carrying on when they shouldn't have.

Re: Re: Re: Re: UCLA police taser a student

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Originally posted by tiesto14 They did uphold the law. The kid had no ID, he was asked to leave, he refused and acted all selfrighteous, he got the taser...where is the crime on the police side?

what idoru said, but that's not what i meant anyway, i was referring to the anecdote of the 'racist' cop.

Re: Re: UCLA police taser a student

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Originally posted by Dj_Skez Good for that emo fucking kid, He should'nt have told the officer to get off him the first place. If he was from the hood , he would've known that you never talk back to an officer, if he listened to his commands in the first fucking place , he wouldn't have gotten the tazer. Then you hear the other UCLA students, majority of them probably pampered by their parents, saying things like "don't do that" , "get off him" and bullshit like that, ye , like that's going to help. You can call me anything you guys want, I'm speaking from experience on this one. Police officers go through shit every day and risk their fucking lives usually for a 30 to 35k a year starting salary and so it's easy for them to get pissed off. I have a Puerto Rican friend in the bronx who's in the 49th precinct and he's been a patrolman for a little over a year now. I've always known him to as being a mellow headed kid, but after a little over a year in the force , he told me he can't stand the morenas(African Americans)and other Latinos and caucations that he pulls over. I've never known him to be a racist, but after a little over a year in the force , he told me some stories you wouldn't believe. So before you jump the fucking "omg, that wasn't right" wagon, consider the shit these officers go through. If that pampered UCLA student would've kept his mouth shut and not told the officers to "get off him" he would've been fine.

I'm sorry if I underestimate the dangers that UCLA cops go through, but since you're talking about the pampered students, why don't you mention how easy of jobs the UCLA cops have compared to those that your friend deals with in the Bronx?

If they shock some, as you put it "emo kid," 5 times for not leaving a library fast enough, what would they do if they were in a dangerous area like Compton or the Bronx? Shoot to kill?

Since your cop friend gets to stereotype and you accept it, here's mine: More often than not, college campuses are not the crime capitals you're referring to and these cops probably do nothing more than arrest 18 year-olds for underage drinking and smoking pot, not actions that actually dangerous to others. This kid talking back is probably the worst thing that they've had to deal with, therefore they may have felt this was appropriate.

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Originally posted by venomX i would use the word pathetic, it's the new wave in the states, bend over and comply.

You fucking tit! I'm from the UK!

Jarv

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister You fucking tit! I'm from the UK! Jarv

Still applies to your point of view, just replace US with your name Conforming for the sake of conforming and having a "smoother" life is pathetic in my books, ************ of circumstances.

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Originally posted by Trance(PL) This thread sucks

this user sucks

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Originally posted by venomX Still applies to your point of view, just replace US with your name Conforming for the sake of conforming and having a "smoother" life is pathetic in my books, ************ of circumstances.

So, the majority of the world, those that do 'conform', they're pathetic are they?

Figures of authority have been put there for a reason, and you might find this hard to swallow, but it's for YOUR own good.

I don't conform for the sake of conforming, you're throwing in things you've made up. I see a lot of point in doing what I'm told to do. People haven't made the rules purely for the sake of pissing me off, they've done it for the benefit of society as a whole.

The big advantage of my conforming is that no one tazers me, no one locks me in prison and I get the satisfaction that I'm functioning as a decent and respected member of society.

Your attitude, much the same as my rather juvenile younger brother, is typical of this belief these days that rules ARE meant to be broken, and it's your right to do WHATEVER you want. You cannot.

Grow up!

Jarv

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Originally posted by Trance(PL) This thread sucks

to much anger and not enough substance! sTfU Trance(PL) !

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Originally posted by Trance(PL) This thread sucks

And so the beginning of the end of this thread has commenced.

I miss COR!

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Originally posted by Psy-T this user sucks

This post rocks.

Re: Re: Re: Re: UCLA police taser a student

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Originally posted by tiesto14 They did uphold the law. The kid had no ID, he was asked to leave, he refused and acted all selfrighteous, he got the taser...where is the crime on the police side?

I'll admit to one thing, they shouldn't have tazered that pussy more than once, it's obvious by the way he was screaming like a woman giving birth that he was a bitch. Like I said he brought it on to himself, the fact remains if he did show his fucking i.d. and kept his mouth shut he wouldn't be on the floor wimpering. Police officers are trained to react in certain ways, it was a lot better to be tazered than to catch a beating with a night stick. The last time I was arrested with 2 friends of mine was when I used to live in the Bronx, an undercover police officer jumped out of an unmarked Ford with his partner , he said with a loud tone "turn around , put your hands above your head, lock your fingers and spread your legs", we did as we were told, if any of us were stupid enough to say anything along the lines like "get off me", it would've been worse than a tazering for us.

The fact also remains that by the UCLA student refusing to show id and telling the officer to get off him is breaking the law. It's not like that emo kid caught a Rodney King beating, the tazer was for his own good. I do agree that they went a little far by tazing him more than 2 times, but to be honest, if I was there, I would've laughed.

if i was a cop id tazer some1 just for the fuck of it

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Originally posted by Spike if i was a cop id tazer some1 just for the fuck of it

Who's the guy in your avi, he looks familiar. Is he the actor who plays Lucifer in the first Prophecy movie with Christopher Walkins.

nope, its dave gahan...singer for depeche mode.

id say he looks more like jesus

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister So, the majority of the world, those that do 'conform', they're pathetic are they? Figures of authority have been put there for a reason, and you might find this hard to swallow, but it's for YOUR own good. I don't conform for the sake of conforming, you're throwing in things you've made up. I see a lot of point in doing what I'm told to do. People haven't made the rules purely for the sake of pissing me off, they've done it for the benefit of society as a whole. The big advantage of my conforming is that no one tazers me, no one locks me in prison and I get the satisfaction that I'm functioning as a decent and respected member of society. Your attitude, much the same as my rather juvenile younger brother, is typical of this belief these days that rules ARE meant to be broken, and it's your right to do WHATEVER you want. You cannot. Grow up! Jarv

You know it would be a great post, this one, if you were right about my attitude. As far as making up the conforming for conformity's sake, it was what i deduced from your post. If the hat fits my friend then wear it.

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If a figure of authority asks me to do something I do it. It's a good rule to live by and you end up leading a simpler life for it.

This is what you said. From this statement my deduction is a valid one. It doesn't say " I find that accepting rules in society, when they are valid, makes for smoother interaction with my peers, which in turn enhances my quality of life ". It says, i conform, because i can't be bothered to do other wise, even if what I'm conforming to is unreasonable.
And as far as rules being meant to be broken, I do believe that rules are set for good purposes, but if a rule is unreasonable or useless than it shouldn't be a rule and I will always stand against it. Not just for nonconformity's sake, but for the sake of reason, justice, utility or whatever label you wish to put on it.

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Originally posted by venomX It doesn't say " I find that accepting rules in society, when they are valid, makes for smoother interaction with my peers, which in turn enhances my quality of life ". It says, i conform, because i can't be bothered to do other wise, even if what I'm conforming to is unreasonable.

Thank you for highlighting that you 'made up' the can't be bothered bit. What I actually said, as you rightly pointed out, was :

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister If a figure of authority asks me to do something I do it. It's a good rule to live by and you end up leading a simpler life for it.

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Originally posted by venomX From this statement my deduction is a valid one.

Albeit an incorrect one!! Deduce all you like, fact is you got it wrong. Because you assumed.

And I said society, I made absolutely NO mention of peers. Two rather different things. Another falsification you added, presumably to make your post look like it had more substance.

Jarv

PS I'm not your friend. You made that up too.

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Bad camera work

This jackass pretty much got what he was asking for

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Originally posted by verndogs This jackass pretty much got what he was asking for

Agreed....

For those of you that still don't think this is 'political', it's sure starting to turn into one and fast...

Cries for the cops and military recruiters to leave campus by the students:


I'm sure the LA Gangs will love that.
In fact, that's a great idea, lets see what happens with NO cops and see how long that lasts before someone gets killed or raped.
I'm sure this tasering 'injustice' will look pale in comparison with the cries of, 'Where are the cops when you need them'.

...and of course the MSM (Main Stream Media) is eating up this photo:


CAIR of course has to stick their nose into it since he was Iranian and Mostafa alleges racial profiling:

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CAIR: ISLAMIC LEADERS CALL FOR PROBE OF STUDENT TASERING Southern California Islamic leaders are calling for an independent investigation into Tuesday night's incident at the UCLA library where campus police apparently stunned a student with a "Taser" gun. The Council on American-Islamic Relations urged "state and national authorities, including the FBI" to investigate the incident involving the 23-year-old Mostafa Tabatabainejad. A camera phone captured Tabatabainejad being stunned repeatedly after he allegedly refused repeated requests to show his student I-D and would not leave a campus library. Campus officials are investigating the incident. But the American-Islamic relations group says an outside probe's needed to make sure the case's "civil rights aspects" are taken seriously.

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I'm really surprised the ACLU hasn't touched this one (they probably want money).

In short, the student should have gotten up and complied when he was asked several times.

I agree with an investigation into the conduct; if it turns out that the cops need training or something, then fine, however, that shouldn't act as a green light shining on Mostafa either when he was clearly in the wrong to begin with.

He can speculate on their choosing of him during their random check all he wants however when authority does show up and asks something, you'd better answer...

Oh yea, one other thing,

In case you're wondering about the taser...

(Taken from a different tasering incident)

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A Taser shocks in two ways, Sharp said. It can shoot �probes� � fishhook-like electrical contacts � that penetrate the skin and deliver the shock directly into the muscles, known as �tasing.� Or it can be used in direct contact with the skin, with no penetration, known as �drive stun.� Hopkins was drive stunned, Sharp said. �Drive stun is just basic sensory,� he said �It doesn�t affect the central nervous system per se. It�s just on the surface of the skin.�

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I'm thinking most of you are thinking about the movies and how tasers are 'supposed' to make you seize up and convulse uncontrollably.
They 'can' however that's not how they were used with Mostafa, so remember that when making your judgment about the cops and the whimpering you hear from him in the video...

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