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Originally posted by PETRAN Just Be was not a joke, it was(is) probably the worst trance album that ever existed! (well i know from a hard-core view its not even "trance"). The whole album was terrible, from the Titanic-style syrupy pseudo-classical opening track, to the mainstream top-10 pop-dance hit love comes again, to the absolutely terrible I.Q--1000 hard-dance tune traffic (jumping up and down to 2 disturbing notes-fuck), to the extra-mature-cheddar-ballad walking on clouds (i vomit), to the absolute rape of Barber's Adagio for strings (poor Samuel). The only tracks that were bearable were Nyana and A Tear in the Open, but these were also nothing special. That album had nothing to do with the first magik and ISOS tiles neither with tiesto's older tracks under his own name and Allure aliases (although i suspect that other people were mainly behind those tracks). Judging from the titles, the new album is going to be full of cheesy, mass-pleasing trashy pop-dance hits like the previous one, and the fact that BT is going to be behind some tracks doesn't make things better, since BT is known that he is quite capable for quite bad cheesy pop-EDM, and i'm almost sure that this is what he is going to demonstrate here as well(well, i don't expect him to start spawning "monster" and "this binary universe"-IDM-type tracks in a full-on cheesy chart-topper that the new album by Tiesto is planned to be by this whole PR industry behind him). And what is this with all the collaborations, i mean these types of albums with all these "super-star" collaborations are in most of the times found in pop and rap music not bloody EDM!What the hell is going on?Am i listening to a fucking P.Diddy album (with all these super-star-gangsta collaborations) or a fucking "Trance" (this word is raped) album? Yeah but of course its a tiesto album,it must be big, lets put some famous producers and singers, throw a bunch of well-selling singles and presto, the new tiesto album!Sorry but better stick to a 90s Vengaboys album then this (trance?ofourse not POP) shit!!!At least Vengaboys never stated something like "pushed the trance music in new levels". This is what we get here by a terrible pop trashy artist like Tiesto! The hell with it! Trance is indeed dead. Lets just leave it rest in its glorious peace!

Since Tiesto is big business, you have to understand that there will be a much closer and critical perception at his new album.

The Just be album contains hits which were also released before the album release and lots of people liked songs like, traffic, addagio, ect, ect....already before the album did came out.

The new album is fresh ( although some songs appears to be 1 year old ) so everybody can judge themself to be satisfied or happy with the final result.

Be aware of the fact that the Just be album was produced in the early months of 2004, at the peak of Tiesto's stardom, produced and composed by his two producers who recently ( 2 years ago ) split up. ( incl Hunnick and Tiesto himself, BT song ) but mainly it was produced by two guys from Holland.

Proberly the new songs are produced by the one which has stayed with Tiesto, I don't believe that Tiesto did produced anything himself, ( no time ) he is more a kind of collector of good idea's, which will stand for a long period of time,...to be honest.

So, stop elimination the hype around him, if the album is okay, he will earn some real credits for his work, if the album sucks, we have to wait for an other attempt, but proberly he will lost his dignity.

Lets wait, till we have bought ( or download ) the album.

Cheers

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Originally posted by RapidFire its not hard

Yes, but will he be able to do it?

Hmm... I'm thinking no.

ugh...I knew this would happen.
This topic was just begging to be hated upon. DON'T YOU PEOPLE KNOW THAT BY NOW! Even in track IDs, the minute you put Tiesto's name in a subject it's DESTINED to get smashed.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Just Be was not a joke, it was(is) probably the worst trance album that ever existed! (well i know from a hard-core view its not even "trance"). The whole album was terrible, from the Titanic-style syrupy pseudo-classical opening track, to the mainstream top-10 pop-dance hit love comes again, to the absolutely terrible I.Q--1000 hard-dance tune traffic (jumping up and down to 2 disturbing notes-fuck), to the extra-mature-cheddar-ballad walking on clouds (i vomit), to the absolute rape of Barber's Adagio for strings (poor Samuel). The only tracks that were bearable were Nyana and A Tear in the Open, but these were also nothing special. That album had nothing to do with the first magik and ISOS tiles neither with tiesto's older tracks under his own name and Allure aliases (although i suspect that other people were mainly behind those tracks). Judging from the titles, the new album is going to be full of cheesy, mass-pleasing trashy pop-dance hits like the previous one, and the fact that BT is going to be behind some tracks doesn't make things better, since BT is known that he is quite capable for quite bad cheesy pop-EDM, and i'm almost sure that this is what he is going to demonstrate here as well(well, i don't expect him to start spawning "monster" and "this binary universe"-IDM-type tracks in a full-on cheesy chart-topper that the new album by Tiesto is planned to be by this whole PR industry behind him). And what is this with all the collaborations, i mean these types of albums with all these "super-star" collaborations are in most of the times found in pop and rap music not bloody EDM!What the hell is going on?Am i listening to a fucking P.Diddy album (with all these super-star-gangsta collaborations) or a fucking "Trance" (this word is raped) album? Yeah but of course its a tiesto album,it must be big, lets put some famous producers and singers, throw a bunch of well-selling singles and presto, the new tiesto album!Sorry but better stick to a 90s Vengaboys album then this (trance?ofourse not POP) shit!!!At least Vengaboys never stated something like "pushed the trance music in new levels". This is what we get here by a terrible pop trashy artist like Tiesto! The hell with it! Trance is indeed dead. Lets just leave it rest in its glorious peace!

this is easily the worst review ive ever seen. its incredibly bias and pretty much everything u wrote was subjective. if your going to act educated in music atleast open your fucking eyes and see the album for wat is really is.

it was quite a solid album for wat is was (as i said before), a commercially appealing trance album, tracks likes just be, adagio for strings, love comes again and traffic were the obvious tracks that would get mass appeal and they did, so they did their job well. no they are nothing special, especially for people who have been listening to trance for almost a decade but they do wat they are set out to do, cheesy or not.

walking on clouds and sweet misery are beautifully produced and have some great vocals in them also, imo they are the best tracks on the album.

tiesto's adagio for strings i think is also very underrated amongst his haters, i like it just as much as ferry's remix if not more. this album probably got ALOT more people into trance, whether thats a good thing or a bad thing i dunno but it did its job. it will never compare to in my memory though, not by a long shot.

JUST BE = TERRIBLE.
IN MY MEMORY = AWESOME.
end of discussion..

lets talk about the new album now.

Yes, people hate on Just Be a little too much. However I completely understand that. These tracks are in some cases 4 years old. And STILL getting hammered by Tijs.

Thats partly the hole he dug himself by touring so heavily with his own material. In an average 1000 people of a crowd, I'd guess 9/10th is there to hear him spin the known artist productions. The rest for a really good set. (not counting the percentage of people just their to be seen).

I've experienced people walking out after a few songs, because they've already heard Adagio / Traffic / Dance4Life so they can go home.

Or even worse, just stood there, waiting for the Adagio moment to actually decide to begin partying.

This album has a lot BETTER tracks. This was not hard to accomplish. But just the same as Just Be. If Tijs overuses them, and if they get marketed to the masses (like the radio edit of In The Dark already is) then the same opinion will be formed by people on here - even if they're prepared to give this album a chance... no one will support the tracks on a site like TA if they're been slaughtered on MTV evrey day and played out by Tiesto in 2010.

So far. What do we know.

Obviously He's A Pirate & Dance4Life are not exactly cutting the mustard, but Lipstick hit the nail on the head, that every Tiesto album thus far, has SOMETHING that the average shmuck can already relate to, and base his purchase of a whole album on the selling point... ooohhh yeah Dance4life!

In The Dark. The new single. The radioedit is exactly that. An edit made for the commercial promotion of the album and Tiesto. Tijs calls the 'album version' of the track 'rocktronic'. Well... its hardly a new concept is it. Based on the last year alone we've had tracks like Breaking Benjamin Diary Of Jane in a rock meets trance format.
Arguably its no surprise Tijs has requested Carl B & Dirty South to remix the track. They should be the best equipped to make it more dancefloor friendly to both trance & dirty electro/prog crowds.

The other tracks... we know he's road-tested Can You Feel Me and Bright Morningstar. They were main players last year already. Combined with Sweet Things... these 3 have been on rotation quite a lot already if you've seen Tiesto in the past 6 months. Its likely you already heard those.

It's Bright Morningstar, Can You Feel Me and the Opening track that will appeal to people on here with some longevity. Why is that? Because they're actually GOOD.

Break My Fall, Heaven & Elements Of Life therefore, we still didn't work out or see what they were... but I can have a good guess that one of those is an absolute belter - a true ITWT style melody track that we've found a youtube video of him playing in Sth America last month.

The prospects of these less-commercial tracks are looking very good at the moment. The whole 'Tour' and subsequent marketing strategies are probably going to shape just how well we can receive and listen to these tracks in the months ahead.

nice to listen to this

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Yes, people hate on Just Be a little too much. However I completely understand that. These tracks are in some cases 4 years old. And STILL getting hammered by Tijs. Thats partly the hole he dug himself by touring so heavily with his own material. In an average 1000 people of a crowd, I'd guess 9/10th is there to hear him spin the known artist productions. The rest for a really good set. (not counting the percentage of people just their to be seen). I've experienced people walking out after a few songs, because they've already heard Adagio / Traffic / Dance4Life so they can go home. Or even worse, just stood there, waiting for the Adagio moment to actually decide to begin partying. This album has a lot BETTER tracks. This was not hard to accomplish. But just the same as Just Be. If Tijs overuses them, and if they get marketed to the masses (like the radio edit of In The Dark already is) then the same opinion will be formed by people on here - even if they're prepared to give this album a chance... no one will support the tracks on a site like TA if they're been slaughtered on MTV evrey day and played out by Tiesto in 2010. So far. What do we know. Obviously He's A Pirate & Dance4Life are not exactly cutting the mustard, but Lipstick hit the nail on the head, that every Tiesto album thus far, has SOMETHING that the average shmuck can already relate to, and base his purchase of a whole album on the selling point... ooohhh yeah Dance4life! In The Dark. The new single. The radioedit is exactly that. An edit made for the commercial promotion of the album and Tiesto. Tijs calls the 'album version' of the track 'rocktronic'. Well... its hardly a new concept is it. Based on the last year alone we've had tracks like Breaking Benjamin Diary Of Jane in a rock meets trance format. Arguably its no surprise Tijs has requested Carl B & Dirty South to remix the track. They should be the best equipped to make it more dancefloor friendly to both trance & dirty electro/prog crowds. The other tracks... we know he's road-tested Can You Feel Me and Bright Morningstar. They were main players last year already. Combined with Sweet Things... these 3 have been on rotation quite a lot already if you've seen Tiesto in the past 6 months. Its likely you already heard those. It's Bright Morningstar, Can You Feel Me and the Opening track that will appeal to people on here with some longevity. Why is that? Because they're actually GOOD. Break My Fall, Heaven & Elements Of Life therefore, we still didn't work out or see what they were... but I can have a good guess that one of those is an absolute belter - a true ITWT style melody track that we've found a youtube video of him playing in Sth America last month. The prospects of these less-commercial tracks are looking very good at the moment. The whole 'Tour' and subsequent marketing strategies are probably going to shape just how well we can receive and listen to these tracks in the months ahead.

At the end someone with enough brains to judge the matter in detail , Tiesto is a big superstar DJ, like it or not, if he is capable to handle this as an artist producing songs in the studio we will see. ( like a supervisor )

On the other hand he has so much song options for good ideas ( songs or remixers ) that he only have to pick out the candies from the box, in that way the new album will be a monster hit.

But I am a little affraid that he may follow the road like Ferry Corsten or Junkie Xl some years ago,( mega artists in 2003 ) the new album expectations those days were enormous and both artists delivered a well keen produced collaborated with other artists album with less emotion. ( tiesto does the same, only he calls it 'his' songs and not a co-production )

People get confused and nobody did recognised themself or could identify himself anymore with the artist. ( kind of a rush job )

Lets face it, since there has been produced no remixes or new songs since 2005 ( commercial releases ), there has to be an explanation for the poor quality of D4L and the Pirates song, not even matters if these tracks were released commercial at the right moment.

What has left from the D4L hype?, nothing, only a commercial attention for the crowd that Tiesto used to announced his comeback after a hugh disappointed failure tour during the States. ( although the balkan tour was a success, 3 years delay market )

What I like to say is we never get ride of Tiesto and his commercial advances only until he stops or get hated so much by his audience that he will be blown of the stage.

Like it or not, the man has more fans than ever, simply using the fact of new enteries like the internet ( myspace, Tiesto site and some well supported Tiesto ( world ) communities running by some dozen of people which only like to hear that everything he made or do is great...

For a lot of artists the internet became a worse nightmare, for Tiesto it became the most reluctant effort on the planet to spread his world wide view making people dance with each other, something so less DJs are capable to do so.

Besides that, I've visit too many gigs to see the crowd moved out within some hours, disappointed that he only played his old 'shit' and some kind of 'new' electro based style tunes, we all don't wanna hear from him. ( that�s why many people bash him on the internet, pure disappointed by his (personal) performance )

It's not strange that Tiesto recently preform only 3 or 4 hour sets in the clubs, cause simply there are not enough good records to spin and he simply doesn't have the time to make enough new tunes to play, like he was able in the years 2000 till 2004.

Read this he does not follow the crowd, the crowd follows him and a lot of things has happend with him and circumstances changed in a way of providing a superstar DJ with all the big expectations of more than 2 million fans spread all over the world, thanks to the internet and his hugh and heavy worldwide gig schedule....

Once again, I know a lot of songs from the new album already cause we heard them all before during some gigs (ID�s), from my point of view it did not catch me a split second, maybe after buying the album and listen it over and over again, ( just we all did with the previous albums ) I will be able to judge the final result honestly and give him a chance to contain my love for his music style.

Remember, nothing in the world is so much unpredictable as an audience, people simply drop you by the minute as we speak, if your album is shit, it is very difficult to recover that.

Many artists have became hugh, if the people don't like your songs or performance anymore, you're lost and have to start all over again, that's life.....and not dance(Tiesto)4L

wow )
Who is here Tiesto?

Some interesting points there. Both agreeable and disagreeable.

But this has already been exhausted a million times.

Suffice to say - I have faith in the few tunes from this album that have made a "spark" inside. I'm hopeful that other people will also appreciate at least some of this material.

Its a pity for D4L and Pirates. But what can we expect, when the DJ and the marketeers, try to cover every angle possible with every release/move they make.

p.s 3-4 hrs shows are actually the same if not longer than during the peak of popularity as a GOOD DJ 2000-2002.

p.s.s. the Tour is scheduled with at least 1x6HRS tour per week.

p.s.s.s. America (and attempts at this level of touring before) failed due to logistics. This is no longer a problem, thanks to Tiesto private jet and a number of other factors, how they sold these tour events to promoters...

Hardly slowing down due to fan disappointment or a reaction to stagnant market. If anything his appeal is unfortunately even now, still growing!

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Originally posted by Goku wow ) Who is here Tiesto?

I am. And I am taking donations all day long.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Some interesting points there. Both agreeable and disagreeable. But this has already been exhausted a million times. Suffice to say - I have faith in the few tunes from this album that have made a "spark" inside. I'm hopeful that other people will also appreciate at least some of this material. p.s 3-4 hrs shows are actually the same if not longer than during the peak of popularity as a GOOD DJ 2000-2002. p.s.s. the Tour is scheduled with at least 1x6HRS tour per week. p.s.s.s. America (and attempts at this level of touring before) failed due to logistics. This is no longer a problem, thanks to Tiesto private jet and a number of other factors, how they sold these tour events to promoters... Hardly slowing down due to fan disappointment or a reaction to stagnant market. If anything his appeal is unfortunately even now, still growing!

In advance I also like some of his new tunes, but it doesn't catch me at this moment, even not a sparkle, maybe the Sparkles tune the cor Fijneman release

P.S.1 yep, but these tracks those days were all nice, now he spins too much old shit, with some new ( average ) (remix) tunes,( crosses ) that's the difference, the durance of the show doesn't matter in this, it still concerns the contents of the show and not the amount of songs during a gig.

Besides that the light show is nice and very professional.

P.S.2 yep, otherwise he doesn't have enough time to build up some kind of climax with the new songs, if it is possible to build up with the old and new onces, maybe the difference between them will be too big ( possitive way )

P.S.3 yes, he rented a private jet in the States, Oakey does, Paul van Dijk does, ATB does and many other big artists, yes he is hugh enough to (buy)(hire) a private plane no doubt about it, that is not killing. ( but he still gets from Holland to the States with 1st airborne class ( business bedroom ) seats with the KLM or Lufthansa.

The USA is a very big country so even with a private jet you won't solve that problem.

Besides that his fame in the States highly dated from the Silence period, ( only Tiesto song which ever made it to the billboard charts ) in the year 2000, 8 years ago.

D4L flopped in the states as even in the UK, so any ( visable )chart position achieved with the new songs will be maybe only in the Netherlands and Belgium, even here in Germany they all realy pissed on D4L

Believe me, if the album sucks, he has got a big ( chart ) problem, if the album succeed he will be bigger than ever....lets hope for the last standing.

Nevertheless the comming shows in Holland and Belgium will be great, I will be there of course and it will be sold out within a minute.

Lets rock and have fun...

Don't know about you, it seems like you're fascinated by breaking America, or American stats.

I live in Central Europe. I couldn't give a monkey's or rat's ass what he does is in the States. I've been to 4 shows over there, and despite a warm set, I just couldn't enjoy it with that environment of immigrants and other randoms at each gig.

In fact, if he completely flops everywhere but continental europe, then its fine by me. Means more opportunities to see him when the schedule can only be filled with European bookings.

Chart Positions? Billboard Positions? Not making much success?

I think these things are of little consequence to him or you or me.

About the gigs. He's playing latest tunes, as a DJ you spin what you like. If there is nothing new you like. You play something that is old.
Expect more old stuff to come. Because today's trance sucks so hard he doesn't have much choice (if he is filling a 6hrs concert - why not to do that with 1998 amazing hits to shock the audience, instead of the latest pile of filth from Alex MORPH).

lol i doubt he would care that much about the us, his shows sell out everywhere else and probably in the us aswell. but trance is WAY down of late so if he is playing just the latest stuff like u say then i guess there is an excuse for a really bad set

Don't know if anyone's posted it
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wtf is that

Its next single In the dark from tiesto... I heard also Sweet Things from new album song ^^'

Or [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

The beginning of the 2nd minute....
Tiesto - Ten Seconds Before Sunrise

I really like that song...

Finaly

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Originally posted by Dirtyfilthy wtf is that

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Originally posted by AdictaAlTrance Don't know if anyone's posted it

i like his voice, nice song, not great but nice.

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Originally posted by AdictaAlTrance Or [[ LINK REMOVED ]] The beginning of the 2nd minute.... Tiesto - Ten Senconds Before Sunrise I really like that song...

Cool! Good post! And the song is grreat!

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Originally posted by AdictaAlTrance Don't know if anyone's posted it

Good track
Thanks

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Originally posted by AdictaAlTrance Or [[ LINK REMOVED ]] The beginning of the 2nd minute.... Tiesto - Ten Senconds Before Sunrise I really like that song...

Thanks for the vid, but....

look how bored and unhappy tiesto looks throughout this, glad I wasn't there...

not happy

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Originally posted by Oldman1313 Thanks for the vid, but.... look how bored and unhappy tiesto looks throughout this, glad I wasn't there...

He is looking away from the crowd, aware of the fact that everybody knows that this track is not produced by himself...

Although the track is quite interesting, listen to the build up of the track, all we miss is a kind of climax or something unexpected, proberly he is not capable anymore to do so....

Cheers up Tiesto,( uh Dennis ) the best is yet to come

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Originally posted by Zoso I am. And I am taking donations all day long.

No. I'm Spartacus!

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Originally posted by AdictaAlTrance Or [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

What the hell, like almost all of the crowd are to busy filming the dj instead of dancing

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