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Originally posted by all-nite-freak Only 2 classifications should exist in music...Good and Bad.

That might make it awfully hard to tell what to expect from a party, since I doubt many DJs would advertise themselves as playing bad music.

Although surely some would just so that they could call themselves "groundbreaking" and stand out from the crowd.

Oh nooo , Here come the genre-warssss (againnn!)

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles That might make it awfully hard to tell what to expect from a party, since I doubt many DJs would advertise themselves as playing bad music.

no kidding...the real point is;if you ever notice the outstanding dj's that have long term appeal (except armin pvd and tiesto..they can just suck my balls) the labeling of their sound is never done by them but the listener.Also notice they evolve and round out their sets with a whole spectrum of different genres.If you go into something always knowing what you can expect to hear, sorry they suck.Good music comes in many forms, while bad music is often imitation or basterdized plagirism of successful mediums.I eat pills for breakfast.

Bob: "Who's your favorite DJ?"

Bill: "DJ [insert name here]!"

Bob: "What type of music does DJ [insert name here] play?"

Bill: "Good music!"

Bob: "Hmm. Okay, whose tracks does he play?"

Bill: "[List of artists that Bob has never heard of.]"

Bob: "What kind of music do those artists make?"

Bill: "Good music!"

Bob: "..."

i dont ave a clue what dubstep is and it's probably just a copycat of something else neway

exactly
since music as in any form of art is subjective to the person viewing/listing to it, we should be able to judge music by our own standards.Whats shit to you is good for me and vice versa.It doesn't matter as the love of music is knowing what you like and dont.Genres aren't totally stupid or unescessary, i'm just saying that to enjoy it you don't need a spin word.(ie:electro house, minimal(half the shit coming out as that really isn't))These are there mostly to keep shit organized and marketable plus a record company will label anything anyway to cash in on whatever is the current fad.Who cares what its called, the important thing is that you like it or you don't.
I still eat pills for breakfast.

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak exactly since music as in any form of art is subjective to the person viewing/listing to it, we should be able to judge music by our own standards.Whats shit to you is good for me and vice versa.It doesn't matter as the love of music is knowing what you like and dont.Genres aren't totally stupid or unescessary, i'm just saying that to enjoy it you don't need a spin word.(ie:electro house, minimal(half the shit coming out as that really isn't))These are there mostly to keep shit organized and marketable plus a record company will label anything anyway to cash in on whatever is the current fad.Who cares what its called, the important thing is that you like it or you don't. I still eat pills for breakfast.

+1

but there is house, trance, electro and prog that still mean something. (house lost his meaning cuz it's the current fad). i tought of techno but it's vast and unclear, cuz "dub techno" and detroit techno are completly different.

Evaluation of music's merit is subjective, but that has little relevance to genre classification.

Splitting music into genres is about making a shorthand description for tracks that allows you to tell quickly what sort of structure they have and what sorts of elements they probably have in them. There are lots of objective things to ask about a track -- Does it use a 303? Does it have a verse / bridge / chorus structure? Does it use a supersaw for a lead? What kind of scale does it use? Does it have vocals? Lyrics? -- and this is the kind of stuff that genre classifications address, ideally.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Evaluation of music's merit is subjective, but that has little relevance to genre classification. Splitting music into genres is about making a shorthand description for tracks that allows you to tell quickly what sort of structure they have and what sorts of elements they probably have in them. There are lots of objective things to ask about a track -- Does it use a 303? Does it have a verse / bridge / chorus structure? Does it use a supersaw for a lead? What kind of scale does it use? Does it have vocals? Lyrics? -- and this is the kind of stuff that genre classifications address, ideally.

I'm not completely disagreeing with you only that i think some of what you mention can cause more problems than anything else sometimes.I'm not saying labeling a sound is wrong,its a choice...accepting whatever a record exec tells you it is to get bandwagon jumpers to buy it is just being a lemming.And my last post was more from a dj example.

Take Steve Lawler:I have seen him labeled a Progressive Dj,a tribal Dj,an electro dj(ive even heard noobs call it minimal solely cuzz it went tisk tisk tisk claq..but you know what to them thats minimal and thats okay)...blah blah blah.He uses them all now(he isn't my favorite but just an example everyone knows and can relate to)so isnt he just a DJ that plays party music.It isnt a genre, but if labels started classing music as party music would it make it so?What happens if i want to listen to it at home.I hope my logic if any is apparent in this post, because i ate too many pills for breakfast:P

the medium is the message
/cliche

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accepting whatever a record exec tells you it is to get bandwagon jumpers to buy it is just being a lemming.

Genre names generally are not invented by record execs.

true, but some are and many songs are labeled things a certain way when they are sold even though they don't posess the simple attributes you refered to as being the way to identify.Formula killed Trance.
I'm not arguing anymore as my wrists hurt from typing due to lack of masturbation
good day sir

"trance has become lame"
"trance isn't fresh anymore"
"so hard to find quality tracks"

all shit i see on a frequent basis.Maybe limiting the genre by producing only things that can be accepted as it stounted its growth You would be suprised how many trance producers have pseudos with amazing tunes yet can't make quality trance anymore.Evolution...okay the pills kicked in i'm out of here before beetlejuice shows up

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Originally posted by Demoted Who cares? Buy what you like, and if you don't know what you like, then search more.

Yes Demoted you are right, I buy albums which says Trance in front... but when I open and listen to them, its all house shit inside.. I dont have much time and money to listen to everyone.. just keep the trance genre authentic. When you say its trance.. let it be trance! :\

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Originally posted by RJT Yet another winning thread from Purple.

You stop whining about me.

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Originally posted by Purple just keep the trance genre authentic.

I'm not eeeeeeven gonna touch this one.

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Originally posted by Demoted I'm not eeeeeeven gonna touch this one.

good lad

tbh purple, say "oh you don't like me" or whatever you want, the simple fact is that today you have to spend the time & effort researching an album before you buy it. If not, you don't deserve any sympathy or pity when you don't get what you want, how do you think all of the rest of us get on, pot luck ?

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Originally posted by Purple Yes Demoted you are right, I buy albums which says Trance in front... but when I open and listen to them, its all house shit inside.. I dont have much time and money to listen to everyone.. just keep the trance genre authentic. When you say its trance.. let it be trance! :\

And what, exactly, would be "authentic" trance?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery And what, exactly, would be "authentic" trance?

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Favorite DJ or Producer Menno, Jonas, AvB, Manuel le Saux, Mellomania guys

could have figured, kings of trance

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Originally posted by Purple You stop whining about me.

More like stating the obvious. Your track record is horrible.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery And what, exactly, would be "authentic" trance?

Almost exactly like authentic Tiramisu... Just more musical, and with strings

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Originally posted by nikhil chinapa Almost exactly like authentic Tiramisu... Just more musical, and with strings

What?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery What?

Its a desert.. coffee cream and chocolate based. A joke. Since this thread has transcended all limits of rationale, i figured an obtuse smile might help it's early demise.

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Originally posted by nikhil chinapa Its a desert.. coffee cream and chocolate based. A joke. Since this thread has transcended all limits of rationale, i figured an obtuse smile might help it's early demise.

I thought deserts had sand in them.

This one comes wrapped in ceramic. It's authentically served set in a coffee cup.

But to answer your question... no deserts don't just have sand in them, they have caramels, or camels.. depending on your preference.

Well, the extensive bombing in the Middle-East deserts through-out the years, should have made them look like the tiramisu coffee topping by now.




p.s. the connection between the desert, the authentic tiramisu and the authentic trance is still unclear...

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