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This is an English forum, learn it.

this isn't about America trying to bring down the Iranian people because the US doesn't want them to succeed. If Iran was an ally of the US and the US actually trusted them, then it would be a different story. but Iran can't seriously expect the world to let them have nukes when they're an obvious threat. Peaceful my ass. any religious state is a threat that hides behind fancy rhetoric.

Which nukes?
no evidence till now
Thats means that Israel has fancy rhetoric for her nukes
the only one in MEast This's wellknown, Who cares?

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Originally posted by Haunted This is an English forum, learn it. this isn't about America trying to bring down the Iranian people because the US doesn't want them to succeed. If Iran was an ally of the US and the US actually trusted them, then it would be a different story. but Iran can't seriously expect the world to let them have nukes when they're an obvious threat. Peaceful my ass. any religious state is a threat that hides behind fancy rhetoric.

dude wtf?

That is the same reason people hate Americans. Americans view themselves as the owners of the world. So they can travel to which ever country they want to and rather than knowing their language, they have to speak yours. That is seriously bullshit. You fucking twat!

Oh and another thing about politics. Someone can say all the crazy shit he wants to. That doesn't make him possible of ever using a WMD. Regardless of whatever fucking religion he might follow.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Gotcha...the old "two wrongs make a right" argument. So as long as one country breaks a treaty you have no problem with another doing so? Giving examples of where one country may have broken their word does absolutely nothing to justify another country in doing so. This is a world problem, not just a US problem. If Iran does make nukes and finds the reason to use them, I can almost guarantee it would be another Middle Eastern or European country that would be hit first. Again though, I fail to see how one country's transgressions gives another country the go-ahead to build nuclear weapons.

No; you missed the point completely, so don't say "Gotcha" if you actually don't get me at all.

Two wrongs make two wrongs, so get off your pedestal and stop using examples that you have no ethical right whatsoever to use.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby No; you missed the point completely, so don't say "Gotcha" if you actually don't get me at all. Two wrongs make two wrongs, so get off your pedestal and stop using examples that you have no ethical right whatsoever to use.

Fine, stop trying to justify what Iran is doing by what the US may have/has done.

And exactly what "ethical right" do I not have?

I like Iran. Ahmadinejad talks a lot of shit, I like him too. I believe both Iran and Ahmadinejad will come out of this situation on top.

Maybe a war with Iran will be the straw to break the camels back when it comes to tolerance of the USA. I wouldn't mind having a few countries kicking our ass, we need the reality check, this includes American society (The majority of people in the US think only 10,000 iraqi's have died since 2003). I'm starting to care less and less about this country. We've reached our plateau, and we've been declining for a while, now. A short period of time for an empire considering most empires last a hell of a lot longer than we have.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Fine, stop trying to justify what Iran is doing by what the US may have/has done. And exactly what "ethical right" do I not have?

I don't recall trying to justify anything;

I just made a statement, and you are reacting very heatedly to it because it hit home in a way that you're uncomfortable with.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby I don't recall trying to justify anything;

Hmmm...

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Damn right! Similar to how the US signed the Geneva Conventions and would never even think of using torture for personal means.

Could you explain what that means if you're not trying to say that the US does it, so why can't Iran?

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I just made a statement, and you are reacting very heatedly to it because it hit home in a way that you're uncomfortable with.

Hit home in a way I'm uncomfortable with? You'll have to explain that one too. If "heated" means that I'm posting a viewpoint opposed to yours, I guess you're right. But that's also what I call a debate.

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The Iranian Government says it is ready for any scenario in its nuclear row with the West, even war. Iran's student news agency, ISNA, reports one of the deputies to the foreign minister made the comments at a conference in the central city of Isfahan. "We have prepared ourselves for any situation, even for war," Manouchehr Mohammadi said. "If they issue a second resolution, Iran will not respond and will continue its nuclear activities. Iranian President Mahmood Ahmadinejad said Iran will not back down from mastering the technology to make nuclear fuel.

Rest of it

Guess they're at least being as undiplomatically a big a pain in the ass about it as the yanks normally are when it comes to any kind of negotiating.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Hmmm... Could you explain what that means if you're not trying to say that the US does it, so why can't Iran? Hit home in a way I'm uncomfortable with? You'll have to explain that one too. If "heated" means that I'm posting a viewpoint opposed to yours, I guess you're right. But that's also what I call a debate.

I was trying to point out the ridiculous nature of you attempting to justify to yourself whatever it is you seem to believe by utilizing treaty-breaking as the central fulcrum to your belief.

I was merely pointing out that your delusion works both ways.

By the way, what's my viewpoint? I don't recall stating one, so I don't know where you're coming up with this?

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby I was trying to point out the ridiculous nature of you attempting to justify to yourself whatever it is you seem to believe by utilizing treaty-breaking as the central fulcrum to your belief. I was merely pointing out that your delusion works both ways. By the way, what's my viewpoint? I don't recall stating one, so I don't know where you're coming up with this?

Well, I guess if in my delirium I'm trying to justify a viewpoint that you're not even sure of, and you don't even have a viewpoint, there's not much to debate.

Just to clarify my viewpoint: if a nation breaks the bylaws of a treaty it signed and/or continuously defies the mandates of an international organization it belongs to, something needs to be done. What another country may or may not have done in that regard has absolutely nothing to do with that. Unless you're trying to rationalize the faults of one nation with the previous faults of another.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Well, I guess if in my delirium I'm trying to justify a viewpoint that you're not even sure of, and you don't even have a viewpoint, there's not much to debate. Just to clarify my viewpoint: if a nation breaks the bylaws of a treaty it signed and/or continuously defies the mandates of an international organization it belongs to, something needs to be done. What another country may or may not have done in that regard has absolutely nothing to do with that. Unless you're trying to rationalize the faults of one nation with the previous faults of another.

So what is it that should be done (in your opinion)?

And also, do other nations recognize the same circumstances as how it is potentially propagandized in the US?

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby So what is it that should be done (in your opinion)? And also, do other nations recognize the same circumstances as how it is potentially propagandized in the US?

Diplomacy, sanctions, action. In that order.

By the way the UN and other countries are reacting, I'd say so. Again, I don't believe military action is justified at this point. However, if Iran continues on their path of world defiance in light of such a grave issue, that time might come.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Diplomacy, sanctions, action. In that order. By the way the UN and other countries are reacting, I'd say so. Again, I don't believe military action is justified at this point. However, if Iran continues on their path of world defiance in light of such a grave issue, that time might come.

Time for invasion? You must be kidding me. What kind of threat do they posses anyway?

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Originally posted by star-traveller Time for invasion? You must be kidding me. What kind of threat do they posses anyway?

If it can be shown that they have nuclear weapon capabilities, a big threat.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono If it can be shown that they have nuclear weapon capabilities, a big threat.

Iran having a nuclear capability = a thread

IS A BIG FUCKING joke created and keep being sold by Western news media.

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Originally posted by star-traveller Iran having a nuclear capability = a thread IS A BIG FUCKING joke created and keep being sold by Western news media.

This is what I would lean towards believing also...

I wouldn't mind a different administration than the Bush administration deciding what our course should be with Iran... I think the Bush admin has already pulled all the wrong cards and helped to create this problem in the first place, so any trust we as a people could have that they would do the right thing in a non-shady manner has been revoked.

Honestly, I don't want crazies having nukes anywhere, and that includes the United States.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby This is what I would lean towards believing also... I wouldn't mind a different administration than the Bush administration deciding what our course should be with Iran... I think the Bush admin has already pulled all the wrong cards and helped to create this problem in the first place, so any trust we as a people could have that they would do the right thing in a non-shady manner has been revoked. Honestly, I don't want crazies having nukes anywhere, and that includes the United States.

Currently it is the UN that is the sole body setting the course in Iran. I hope they are successful and nothing further comes of this.

U.N. Security Council Resolution 1696 LINK
U.N. Security Council Resolution 1737 LINK

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Originally posted by star-traveller Iran having a nuclear capability = a thread IS A BIG FUCKING joke created and keep being sold by Western news media.

Iran having a nuclear capability is a threat, to its own people. Its leadership could just be crazy enough to use it, which would result in massive retaliation and the deaths of many innocent Iranians.

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Originally posted by XaNaX Iran having a nuclear capability is a threat, to its own people. Its leadership could just be crazy enough to use it, which would result in massive retaliation and the deaths of many innocent Iranians.

Well for me their president looks much less crazy than the president of the world's best nation.

What is the measurement of craziness you are using?
The fact that he has balls to say No, doesn't make him crazy.

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Originally posted by star-traveller Well for me their president looks much less crazy than the president of the world's best nation. What is the measurement of craziness you are using? The fact that he has balls to say No, doesn't make him crazy.

the fact that he denies the holocaust doesn't make him crazy either right?

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Originally posted by Haunted the fact that he denies the holocaust doesn't make him crazy either right?

well, some people deny Al-Qaeda assistance in 9/11. Are they crazy?
And some people said that WMD exists in Iraq, are they crazy too?

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Originally posted by star-traveller well, some people deny Al-Qaeda assistance in 9/11. Are they crazy? And some people said that WMD exists in Iraq, are they crazy too?

Bush was at least able to change his stance in the face of evidence.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...ticle764622.ece

And yes, people who don't believe Al-Qaeda was involved in 9/11 probably are crazy.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Bush was at least able to change his stance in the face of evidence. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...ticle764622.ece

LOL, yeah, that's clearly reflected in his policy/actions right?

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Originally posted by NeoPhono And yes, people who don't believe Al-Qaeda was involved in 9/11 probably are crazy.

No, Al-Quaeda was involved in 9-11. The problem is, Al-Qaeda is another label coined by the CIA, for Al-CIAeda. The one who's crazy are the people that think the most sturdy and over engineered structures in the world would virtually defy the laws of physics and fall straight down just like a controlled demolition. What's even crazier is being passive submisive children and letting the Govt go on rampage in quest for Empire.

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Originally posted by star-traveller well, some people deny Al-Qaeda assistance in 9/11. Are they crazy? And some people said that WMD exists in Iraq, are they crazy too?

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