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Originally posted by brian_uhm I started listening to trance back in 1993/94. I grew up in a city where techno and house ruled, but you could still find breaks and a little trance. Given my pedigree I was fond of trance/prog/prog house. Fast forward to 1998-2000 and epic blew up big time. This is about the time that I really started to see a lack of quality releases and digression of the music itself. It was more and more watered down and you had fucksticks like Corsten/Tiesto/AVB/ATB/Darude coming out destroying what was once a good scene and proliferating shitty ass music that they pawned off as trance. I am sorry but there was nothing trancey about epic, and the same goes with prog for the most part. There was some influences in them that trance provided, but mainly they were more house than trance. None of the producers themselves are repsonsible for killing trance. They are responsible for affecting the masses and tricking them into thinking they were dancing to trance. So you have the stupid clubbers/candy kids all pilled out not having a clue wtf is up or down. It's a combination between money grubbers and stupid clubbers that gave legitimate trance music a bad name. Having said that I will say that the only trance that exists right now is psy-trance. Nothing compares to it. I found it rather confusing as to why psy was barely even broached. It is the only legitimate genre of trance that has survived the bullshit that the EDM global scene has gone through. This is what keeps TRANCE alive. Now don't get me wrong psy-trance has gone through its growing pains as well. It is a very global music that has tried its best to stay in the underground. Unfortunately the ultra lareg festivals have taken the "mainstream" psy-trance to the shitter. So it has had to evolve where the progressive-psy and the dark/twisted-psy is where the most innovation is coming from. Yall might not agree, but you have two choices.....go club land or go to whats left of the underground.

we speak the same language my friend

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Originally posted by Ishkur Yes, stupid. That's kind of the point. That's why it's called TRANCE. You can listen to whatever you want to listen to today. Just don't call it trance. Call it what it really is: euro disney cheese,

Who says your perception of TRANCE is the correct one? Trance is basically music which you feel takes you places. Stick with the old "real trance" shit then and stop wasting your time complaining about this "euro disney cheese" we have today. Your stupidity amazes me.

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Originally posted by Atmos Trance is basically music which you feel takes you places.

That could be anything. It could be justin timberlake's new single. Ish actually knows what he's talking about. You're just talking out of your ass.

I am new to this board, but I have seen a lot of talk in this thread that really is quite disturbing. There's talk that many people feel that a few people are to blame for "killing trance". What is so hard to understand that so many people are involved in only degragating a genre of music that, like all other genres, has to grow and evolve from the inside out. Djs/producers are the movers and the shakers more so than the partygoers and the pundits on the boards such as this one. But you all need to understand the relationship that exists between the two, accept it and move on. If you want better music then stop supporting that which you deem to be shit. If you really want to be proactive then learn how to dj the "trance" you do like. If you really want to make a difference than learn how to make "trance" music that really moves you.

The only other options you are left with is to give up and move onto something else that you can grab ahold of, or do what I did and seek out the next level of trance that applies to you. For me that was goa/psy-trance. Fortunately for me I came into this music when goa was all but an after thought. Personally I prefer the mechanical aspects that you have with psy-trance. It encompasses some many different influences that there really is something for everyone in this genre. I didn't like it at first, but it grew on me especially when everything else went flat.

Also for the person who said that even psy hadn't changed in the past 5-6 years.....you don't have a frigging clue about this genre. I would highly recommend that you educate yourself a little more before you go so far as to say that. Do so if you please, but know now that you are very wrong my friend.

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Originally posted by Project-K That could be anything. It could be justin timberlake's new single. Ish actually knows what he's talking about. You're just talking out of your ass.

Why the hell are you on this board anyway? You and him? Do you enjoy talking shit...or are you just a hypocrite? You say that today's trance is cheese, then why the hell do you continue listening to it? How about you man up, and stick to your word, both of you, and abandon this so called "euro disney cheese." This is trance-addict, you two seem like a little duo out to prove your bullshit point that trance isn't trance and that people like me give it a bad reputation. Then do us "cheese" listeners a favor and stick to your 80's and 90's trance.

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Originally posted by Atmos Why the hell are you on this board anyway? You and him?

Because I like trance. Real trance. Question is, why are you on this board?

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You say that today's trance is cheese, then why the hell do you continue listening to it?

I don't.

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How about you man up, and stick to your word, both of you, and abandon this so called "euro disney cheese."

Already have.

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This is trance-addict, you two seem like a little duo out to prove your bullshit point that trance isn't trance and that people like me give it a bad reputation.

I like this part the most. Just because I made a little comment about ishkur's experience in the scene I'm suddenly his bat-boy sidekick. Now all I need is a pair of tights, a cape, and a silly title.

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Originally posted by brian_uhm I started listening to trance back in 1993/94. I grew up in a city where techno and house ruled, but you could still find breaks and a little trance. Given my pedigree I was fond of trance/prog/prog house. Fast forward to 1998-2000 and epic blew up big time. This is about the time that I really started to see a lack of quality releases and digression of the music itself. It was more and more watered down and you had fucksticks like Corsten/Tiesto/AVB/ATB/Darude coming out destroying what was once a good scene and proliferating shitty ass music that they pawned off as trance. I am sorry but there was nothing trancey about epic, and the same goes with prog for the most part. There was some influences in them that trance provided, but mainly they were more house than trance. None of the producers themselves are repsonsible for killing trance. They are responsible for affecting the masses and tricking them into thinking they were dancing to trance. So you have the stupid clubbers/candy kids all pilled out not having a clue wtf is up or down. It's a combination between money grubbers and stupid clubbers that gave legitimate trance music a bad name. Having said that I will say that the only trance that exists right now is psy-trance. Nothing compares to it. I found it rather confusing as to why psy was barely even broached. It is the only legitimate genre of trance that has survived the bullshit that the EDM global scene has gone through. This is what keeps TRANCE alive. Now don't get me wrong psy-trance has gone through its growing pains as well. It is a very global music that has tried its best to stay in the underground. Unfortunately the ultra lareg festivals have taken the "mainstream" psy-trance to the shitter. So it has had to evolve where the progressive-psy and the dark/twisted-psy is where the most innovation is coming from. Yall might not agree, but you have two choices.....go club land or go to whats left of the underground.

I agree with all of this. It's just a shame I think Psy-Trance is a load of fucking gash - And I always have done.

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Originally posted by Atmos Who says your perception of TRANCE is the correct one?

Most people who know what they're on about, because they're probably not 12 years old like you are you fucking spastic. Jog on.

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Originally posted by Atmos I personally don't slobber over Tiesto but I definately respect the man. I guarantee no one in this thread can even come close to accomplishing 5% of what he has.

exploit and rape a once underground genre of music? no we cant.

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Originally posted by Atmos I personally don't slobber over Tiesto but I definately respect the man. I guarantee no one in this thread can even come close to accomplishing 5% of what he has.

Are you saying no one on this board/thread has what it takes to make it as big/bigger than Tiesto?

I think that is what you're implying. There are so many producers and DJ's on here that have 100 fucking times the skill Tiesto ever had. Just go ahead and take a look into the DJ and Production promotion pages and listen to some shit. I'd love to see the talent that is on this board get big and some probably will get big in the scene.

That shit was rotten. I might have taken it a bit to seriously but from how I'm reading it, it was pretty fucking rotten.

/anger

Atmos is a fucking gimp. I'd love to go head to head with Tiesto - I'd shit all over his fucking fat donkey face any day of the week.

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Originally posted by jupiterone There are so many producers and DJ's on here that have 100 fucking times the skill Tiesto ever had.

Funny you should mention that because I was just listening to Psy-T's down the rabbit hole set.

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Originally posted by Atmos How about you man up, and stick to your word, both of you, and abandon this so called "euro disney cheese." This is trance-addict, you two seem like a little duo out to prove your bullshit point that trance isn't trance and that people like me give it a bad reputation. Then do us "cheese" listeners a favor and stick to your 80's and 90's trance.

Lots of people here no longer listen to current trance but still listen to other types of electronic music. This board is a pretty good place to discuss all kinds of EDM, not just trance, so even people who dislike the current stuff often end up sticking around.

I don't know about the talent and who produces what and how good it is. It's just amazing how what seems to be "trance" educated people can discard today's trance as garbage. When I check sets, tracks talked about, album releases, etc, I don't see 80's and 90's trance on there. So basically, it's pretty easy to infer that most of the people trash-talking it are listening to it...thus leading them to talk shit. And I'm willing to put down all I've got, on that you people go to clubs and party -parties in which the DJ's arent playing outdated shit-. It astonishes me how a group of people can bash and shit-talk so much. It becomes apparent that you have nothing better to do. And if youre gonna talk shit about me and ridicule my opinion which I am completely entitled to, then you are just a dishonorable and disrespectful peron which IMO has maturing to do. Don't criticize ignorance and inexperience, when it appears that you have both in abundance.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Lots of people here no longer listen to current trance but still listen to other types of electronic music. This board is a pretty good place to discuss all kinds of EDM, not just trance, so even people who dislike the current stuff often end up sticking around.

That's true...but how bout they leave the trance discussion to those who really listen to it and appreciate the music and go be happy n dandy about whatever type of music they like in another thread. This would surely avoid conflicts such as this one.

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Originally posted by Atmos And if youre gonna talk shit about me and ridicule my opinion which I am completely entitled to

You're entitled to an opinion as much as I am entitled to ridicule it. You're opinion is fucking shit.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike You're entitled to an opinion as much as I am entitled to ridicule it. You're opinion is fucking shit.

I see you like PvD there Mikey Mike. A little hyporcite of you to be talking about cheese don't you think?

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Originally posted by Atmos I don't know about the talent and who produces what and how good it is.

clearly.

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Originally posted by Atmos When I check sets, tracks talked about, album releases, etc, I don't see 80's and 90's trance on there. So basically, it's pretty easy to infer that most of the people trash-talking it are listening to it...thus leading them to talk shit.

great logic there, einstein.

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Originally posted by Atmos And I'm willing to put down all I've got, on that you people go to clubs and party -parties in which the DJ's arent playing outdated shit-. It astonishes me how a group of people can bash and shit-talk so much. It becomes apparent that you have nothing better to do.

just like you have nothing better to do than lick tiesto's asshole

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Originally posted by Atmos And if youre gonna talk shit about me and ridicule my opinion which I am completely entitled to, then you are just a dishonorable and disrespectful peron which IMO has maturing to do.

and we're completely entitled to talk shit and ridicule your opinion.

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Originally posted by Atmos Don't criticize ignorance and inexperience, when it appears that you have both in abundance.

how exactly is listening to oldschool "not having experience"?

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Originally posted by Atmos I see you like PvD there Mikey Mike. A little hyporcite of you to be talking about cheese don't you think?

I don't see anything hypocritical here when for starters, nobody here has mentioned 'cheese,' and secondly, you are going on the assumption that 'cheese' means 'fucking shit.'

Are you fucking blind or illiterate? I'm not referring to Tiesto...I don't like his productions at all! Maybe only one or two but thats about it. And inexperience comes with the fact that you talk shit to other people who are simply stating their opinion. You have no fucking experience in dealing with these matters. And if you start to insult me personally, then that is plainly pathetic and cowardly of you because you are sitting behind a fucking computer and you can't and won't do shit.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike I don't see anything hypocritical here when for starters, nobody here has mentioned 'cheese,' and secondly, you are going on the assumption that 'cheese' means 'fucking shit.'

Oh no one has mentioned cheese? Take a look at what little Ish said :

"Yes, stupid. That's kind of the point. That's why it's called TRANCE.

You can listen to whatever you want to listen to today. Just don't call it trance. Call it what it really is: euro disney cheese,"

And since then, all you have teamed up against me so I take you as one of them that believes my opinion is insignificant (obviously not since everyone is bashing over it). And by cheese, I mean "sell out mainstream trance" which everyone supposedly "hates" around here.

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Originally posted by Atmos And by cheese, I mean "sell out mainstream trance"

Yes, and this is exactly where you are wrong, hence my comment.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Yes, and this is exactly where you are wrong, hence my comment.

So what is cheese then in your view? Please, enlighten me.

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Originally posted by Atmos Are you fucking blind or illiterate? I'm not referring to Tiesto...I don't like his productions at all! Maybe only one or two but thats about it. And inexperience comes with the fact that you talk shit to other people who are simply stating their opinion. You have no fucking experience in dealing with these matters. And if you start to insult me personally, then that is plainly pathetic and cowardly of you because you are sitting behind a fucking computer and you can't and won't do shit.

you defended him by saying no one here could accomplish what he has which is way worse than getting a boner everytime he releases a new single.

futhermore, what the fuck do you know about my experience?

MISTAH FAB KILLED TRANCE

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Originally posted by RapidFire you defended him by saying no one here could accomplish what he has which is way worse than getting a boner everytime he releases a new single. futhermore, what the fuck do you know about my experience?

I didn't defend him...I simply stated that what he done for trance is huge. You don't have to like his music to admit that millions of others do. If you have a problem admitting that then your a fucking idiot. With millions of others liking it, they expand their knowledge of trance because they are introduced to it by him. And yes, I don't know about your experience, but it's human nature to judge by a persons actions, and you showed immaturity and inexperience in your post.

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