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Originally posted by LionsLair Like pretty much every producer that aims to have their tracks played by Digweed or Sasha, some dont fit the bill because S&D go outside of their standard sound and throw in some diverse tracks. But once S&D establish a sound they are playing for a time period, for however long that sound lasts, many producers take note and mold their sound to fit it. Where do you think movements in sound are born and sustained? Producer's dont innovate a sound with every track they make, they listen to what their favorite DJ's are playing, and gravitate to that sound and cater their own sound around the DJ's they'd like to get play/support from. Because they know if they make music for Digweed or Sasha, there is a huge following of DJ's that will also pick up on their music. Of course Digweed & Sasha arent the only ones that push producers, but they are two of the main inspirations for the direction many producers take their own sound. There are also producer's who produce music for a Club they frequent when they aren't shaping it towards the DJ's.

Is anybody else LOL'ing hard at this load of complete made up bullshit?


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Who is producing tracks because they want Sasha & Digweed to play them?

LIONSLAIR EXPLAINS:

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Like pretty much every producer that aims to have their tracks played by Digweed or Sasha

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Of course Digweed & Sasha arent the only ones that push producers, but they are two of the main inspirations for the direction many producers take their own sound. There are also producer's who produce music for a Club they frequent when they aren't shaping it towards the DJ's.

Wow, you really have no idea how a majority of EDM producers make their music and why they do.

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Originally posted by LionsLair Because they know if they make music for Digweed or Sasha, there is a huge following of DJ's that will also pick up on their music.

That might be true of mp3 kids and bedroom DJs, but the majority of good DJs on the circuit right now could give two fucks about what Sasha & Digweed are playing.

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Originally posted by LionsLair Deadmau5 seems humble, havent noticed a monster ego from him.

LOL

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Originally posted by elFreak google le freak insomniac delights and check sasha and digweeds tracklist 2 months later noobs....bas>digweed lol, lol beat matching.

Dude don't say that

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Originally posted by Nostalgic So how much of the stuff they were playing were distributed exclusively to them? The only tracks I can think of that were distributed only to them were the Breeder tracks.

I think he's referring to the fact that it was before the internet was what is today, and before the days of digital downloads and online record shops. So really, DJs from the UK (where most, if not all that music was coming from) had access to the distributors in the UK before the US shops and other global shops got their hands on them.

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Originally posted by Clovis Is anybody else LOL'ing hard at this load of complete made up bullshit? QUESTION: LIONSLAIR EXPLAINS: ... Wow, you really have no idea how a majority of EDM producers make their music and why they do.

Actually I do, there are producers that don't create music catered towards certain DJ's, they are usually the ones who are making albums, usually having their own theme/vision. Even Hip Hop producers cater their music around rappers they envision their tracks would sound good around.

Producers who make music made to tear up the clubs, cater their music around the sound that their choice DJ's are playing. And S&D are two DJ's a lot of producers aim their tracks for. Sure there are other DJ's, but again producers craft their music around those DJ's sound. Haven't you noticed the growing trend of tracks like the ones Dubfire plays these days? That pulsating wobbly bass, high frequency noise sounds that bend up along with pads and synths, with stripped down beats after peaks, followed by ducking/sidechained rides and hi hats.

You probably dont produce music for clubs, so I don't think you have an idea, so im not going to ridicule you for being ignorant. Ask producers you know, and ask them if a certain DJ's overall sound inspires them in the music they make. Other inspirations can be a specific track or genre, but if they are producer's who actually keep up to date with the current music movements then they are very likely to be influenced by a Sasha or a Digweed or a Howells, or any other influential DJ's sound.

No, certain producers influence sound, not really DJs. Just because I like Ferry and his stomping tracks he plays, am I now not allowed to use my progressive and chillout alias to make the music that I want to make?

Those who make music just for DJs to play are the ones that end up making awfully generic tracks with no special and unique sounds in them. There's nothing wrong with making a track "DJ Friendly" but that's entirely different to what you are getting at.

just lol..i have never seen someone type so much and not have a clue what they are talking about.

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Originally posted by elFreak just lol..i have never seen someone type so much and not have a clue what they are talking about.

Very rich coming from you.

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Originally posted by LionsLair Other inspirations can be a specific track or genre, but if they are producer's who actually keep up to date with the current music movements then they are very likely to be influenced by a Sasha or a Digweed or a Howells, or any other influential DJ's sound.

That is just not the case in the real world. List me one prominent producer who follows this routine you're explaining.

Wow, there's a whole load of fail in this thread. I think someone should lock it up.

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Originally posted by LionsLair Ask producers you know, and ask them if a certain DJ's overall sound inspires them in the music they make.

I don't need to ask them, I already know what inspires them. And 99% of the time it is not what they think another DJ would like to play, it is what they feel like they would like to make.

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so im not going to ridicule you for being ignorant.

There is only one person who clearly has no fucking idea what they're talking about in this discussion and it is blatantly obvious who that is.

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Originally posted by Clovis There is only one person who clearly has no fucking idea what they're talking about in this discussion and it is blatantly obvious who that is.

Seriously. Jake Benson...GET OUT!

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Originally posted by bas Seriously. Jake Benson...GET OUT!

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Originally posted by LionsLair Very rich coming from you.

i live in my mother's basement, have never been to a club and do nothing but masturbate and play video games.

oh wait.

lets see you do better.

twat

Re: Why do Sasha & Digweed both have sh*tty attitude?

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Originally posted by ponsshin Went to this Sasha & Digweed gig yesterday, I was psyched to finally see them play together, see the Maven with my own eyes and shit. The set was excellent (especially Digweed's part) whereas I was kinda dissapointed by Sasha's little use of the Maven during his set but the main downside was THAT THEY BOTH SHOWED A SHITTY ATTITUDE FOR 4 HOURS!!! They didn't want anyone to take a picture of them (yeah, you show yourself as a huge DJ in front of thousands of people but you don't want your picture to e taken...) They NEVER smiled or showed any compassion with the crowd. Fans (including me) were automatically dissed when approaching one of the two guys. And other things... To make a long story short, it was like this: come to the club, set up gear, play, get cash and fuck off. Why are they acting this way? Has it always been like that with them?

You should have spit in his face.

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Originally posted by Kinezi You should have spit in his face.

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Originally posted by Clovis That is just not the case in the real world. List me one prominent producer who follows this routine you're explaining.

How about all the producer's who make music for the clubs? All of them are influenced by what the DJ's that they follow are playing or buying. Think about it, if we didnt have tracklists or charts of what the DJ's were playing, we would not have certain genre's over represented in the amount of music that comes out for certain genres, or what genres are represented the most on a site like Beatport. Which is a good barometer to see what the DJ's are picking, and in turn what the producers are producing.

There is a fucking obvious reason more producers are pumping out Tech House, Minimal, and Minimal Techno tunes than they are pumping out Prog House or Break Beats. The big DJ's arent playing Prog House or Break Beat as much anymore. If they did, the producer's would follow that movement and start pumping out prog house and breaks again. This shit is logical as it gets, but im talking to someone who doesn't know shit about what hes talking about in this thread, someone can't even make a logical argument.

::awaits stubborn, poorly thought out reply::

/logic filled pwnage
/thread

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Originally posted by LionsLair How about all the producer's who make music for the clubs? All of them are influenced by what the DJ's that they follow are playing or buying. Think about it, if we didnt have tracklists or charts of what the DJ's were playing, we would not have certain genre's over represented in the amount of music that comes out for certain genres, or what genres are represented the most on a site like Beatport. Which is a good barometer to see what the DJ's are picking, and in turn what the producers are producing. There is a fucking obvious reason more producers are pumping out Tech House, Minimal, and Minimal Techno tunes than they are pumping out Prog House or Break Beats. The big DJ's arent playing Prog House or Break Beat as much anymore. If they did, the producer's would follow that movement and start pumping out prog house and breaks again. This shit is logical as it gets, but im talking to someone who doesn't know shit about what hes talking about in this thread, someone can't even make a logical argument. ::awaits stubborn, poorly thought out reply:: /logic filled pwnage /thread

What logic? Your posts don't make any sense

The Beatport top 10 only serves as a "barometer" for what big room club muppets like you are listening to, and are in no way any indication as to what good music is.

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Originally posted by bas What logic? Your posts don't make any sense The Beatport top 10 only serves as a "barometer" for what big room club muppets like you are listening to, and are in no way any indication as to what good music is.

Top 10 was not mentioned, Beatport in general was mentioned. Producer's who try to stay hip to the sounds of today, likely do use Beatport as a barometer to what DJ's are spinning and what other producer's are producing. FFS you guys are fucking dense.

There are DJ Charts, there is plenty of other ways to find out what is hot or what DJ's are charting/playing. Why would anyone use the top 10 solely? Beatport is quite a good barometer, how many prog house or break beats tracks do you use charted by the top DJ's or in the bigger top lists? How do you think that reflects onto producers? Shit that might be too hard to answer. A: Producers dont care to make those tracks as much since the big DJ's arent supporting that type of music. Hence there is no movement there.

Neither of you or your buddy know what you are talking about 90% of the time, you guys do make good fanboys of certain DJ's and tracks, excellent elitist worship skills, and elitist bashing skills, thats about it. Analyzing why EDM is what it is, or how sound movements happen, evolve, dissolve are something you should avoid. Stick to the general fanboyism or something.

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Originally posted by Kinezi You should have spit in his face.

To be honest, I wasn't expecting him to answer my question but rather to have him tell me something like "Sorry man, I can't right now" (that would have been totally understandable) instead of giving me a go-fuck-yourself look.

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Originally posted by ponsshin To be honest, I wasn't expecting him to answer my question but rather to have him tell me something like "Sorry man, I can't right now" (that would have been totally understandable) instead of giving me a go-fuck-yourself look.

I can understand man.. thats common with Sasha as you pointed out in thread title.. Armin, Tiesto, PvD are all having hell more demanding schedule than Sasha if not equal.. but still they always be polite and couteous.. thats why they are more popular and have been voted most.. as opposed to Sasha who has never been No.1 and never will be..

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Originally posted by LionsLair Neither of you or your buddy know what you are talking about 90% of the time, you guys do make good fanboys of certain DJ's and tracks, excellent elitist worship skills, and elitist bashing skills, thats about it. Analyzing why EDM is what it is, or how sound movements happen, evolve, dissolve are something you should avoid. Stick to the general fanboyism or something.

You're absolutely right. Everything you said is totally correct. I'm sorry and I'll never say anything contrary to your word ever again. Will you do me a huge favor and let me blow you? I have the feeling if you spooge on me I'll get some of your vast knowledge on all things in th world.

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Originally posted by DCgirly "Later Sasha revealed why he�s so reluctant to sign autographs generally. �I�m not a diva or an ego monster. I just don�t think I should sign autographs unless I feel that I performed to the best of my abilities that night,� he said. �Last night if some bloke had asked me for an autograph one hour into my set I�d have refused, but because I felt I played well by the end of the night, I thought I was worthy of signing autographs.� And this is the biggest bunch of horse shit I have ever read.

I guess from what Sasha said in above post, he didnt played that well in these two nights below:

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Originally posted by Palladium the best pics you can have with:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Why do Sasha & Digweed both have sh*tty attitude?

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Originally posted by Kinezi I can understand man.. thats common with Sasha as you pointed out in thread title.. Armin, Tiesto, PvD are all having hell more demanding schedule than Sasha if not equal.. but still they always be polite and couteous.. thats why they are more popular and have been voted most.. as opposed to Sasha who has never been No.1 and never will be..

actually he has been #1:

http://www.djmag.com/index.php?op=t...sults&year=2000

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Originally posted by bas The Beatport top 10 only serves as a "barometer" for what big room club muppets like you are listening to, and are in no way any indication as to what good music is.

I'm probably missing something here, but are we even talking about what's good music? I thought this discussion was about trends.

What's your explanation for prog house dying out?

The fact that LionsLair is usually an idiot seems to be keeping people from acknowledging the one point he really has: that DJs influence the direction of many producers.

That should be as obvious as the nose on your face. Does anyone actually think that the move from prog house and trance was entirely spontaneous on the level of individual producers?

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