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Originally posted by Krypton What have you called us out on? By all means, post it. Federal Reserve? 9/11? Let's do this. I know colorut is too much of a pussy to debate me, even when challenged. Trancer, will you take up my direct debate challenge? Post ONE point, in which you believe you have called us out on, or one point, in which you believe you are absolutely right. I will not respond to plagiarized material, so please, your own words will suffice, with of course sources to back you up. I'm ready, are you? So post that one point.

Hey, considering you've avoided my points on the path of least resistance, I wouldn't be calling people out. I've stated my theory, and given proof of measure. How do you respond? Since you're in such a mood to debate.

For the the nth time.

The Conservation of Energy applies to falling bodies as well. When an object falls, it converts the potential gravitational energy (derived from its height above ground) into kinetic (speed) energy. If the object has to use some of its energy on something else, like air resistance, there will be less energy available as kinetic energy; lengthening the time it spends falling.

Let's use the example of a brick falling from the top of the tower, even just the energy required to move air out of the way is enough to slow the free fall time from 9.2 seconds to 12 seconds. The fact that the buildings were observed to fall at essentially free fall speed, means that all of the gravitational potential energy of the building was in fact converted to the kinetic energy of falling. The fall speed accounts for all of the gravitational potential energy available. There is no gravitational energy available to break steel, crush concrete, eject dust or do anything else but just fall.

So the energy that pulverised concrete and melted steel came from somewhere else. What was it? The only thing that fits the bill is explosives and thermite.


The only way for a building can fall through the path of least resistance (which it did, that's a scientific fact) is for each floor before to be removed before the floor above it connects with it; otherwise you can expect to have a delay when kinetic energy is absorbed into the mass of the subsequent floor.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Hey, considering you've avoided my points on the path of least resistance, I wouldn't be calling people out. I've stated my theory, and given proof of measure. How do you respond? Since you're in such a mood to debate.

First of all, I wasn't responding to you. Secondly, you haven't called anyone out either. If you are so right in all your assertions, then fucking file a lawsuit against someone. Get off the forum and take it to a fucking court. How I respond is with extreme skepticism, because I believe your theories are wrong, and your so-called evidence is not conclusive, nor is most of it even permissible in a court of law. It's all about the evidence, and all you have is axiomatic INDIRECT evidence. You say explosives are what caused the collapse. OK, then. Where is the explosive material evidence? Who set off the explosives? From where? Do you have any fragments of a bomb to show us? No, you don't, you don't have ANYTHING to show us. All you have is conjecture after conjecture which is nothing more than hunches to what you think happened. Show me something admissible in court, and I'll listen.

I'll debate you to the ends of the earth, unlike or resident plagiarizers colorut and trancer. You're far above them in at least engaging in a constructive debate with me, but don't fucking piss me off with this "i call you out" bullshit, because nothing you've said is conclusive. And if it is, TAKE IT THE FUCKING COURTS!!!!!!!!!!...Stop talking, start doing, send the assholes who did it to jail. Why the hell are you sitting here debating me when criminals roam free? Jeezzzzz....

Whoa, Silver..

Well, I've explained pretty simply that the Pancake Theory does not comply with physics. That's a pretty big '', wouldn't you agree?

There are so many 'what the fucks' in the Official Story, like the omission of WTC7, or the absolution of the FBI's role in investigating Able Danger to its potential. Not to mention



brings 'horseshit' to mind. The man who flew the plane, of course, was not qualified in skills to fly a

. Starting to raise some questions in your mind yet? The little voice in the back of your head that's like, "He's right! That shit is surely horseshit!"

If not -I was prepared for that-, perhaps the facts this article provides might provoke some thought.

New Study: No Boeing 757 Hit the Pentagon
Friday, June 22nd, 2007

By Jim Fetzer

A study of the black box data provided by the government to Pilots for 9/11 Truth has confirmed the previous findings of Scholars for 9/11 Truth that no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon on 9/11. �We have had four lines of proof that no Boeing 757 hit the building,� said James Fetzer, founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. �This new study by Pilots drives another nail into a coffin of lies told the American people by The 9/11 Commission�.

The new society, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) under the Freedom of Information Act and obtained its 2002 report on American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757 that, according to the official account, hit the ground floor of the Pentagon after it skimmed over the lawn at 500 mph plus, taking out a series of lamp posts in the process. The pilots not only obtained the flight data but created a computer animation to demonstrate what it told them.

According to the report issued by Pilots for 9/11 Truth http://pilotsfor911truth.org, there are major differences between the official account and the flight data:

a. The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support official events.

b. All altitude data shows the aircraft at least 300 feet too high to have struck the light poles.

c. The rate of descent data is in direct conflict with the aircraft being able to impact the light poles and be captured in the Dept of Defense �5 Frames� video of an object traveling nearly parallel with the Pentagon lawn.

d. The record of data stops at least one second prior to official impact time.

e. If data trends are continued, the aircraft altitude would have been at least 100 feet too high to have hit the Pentagon.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/911-truth/...e-pentagon/551/

lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies...

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Whoa, Silver.. Well, I've explained pretty simply that the Pancake Theory does not comply with physics. That's a pretty big '', wouldn't you agree? There are so many 'what the fucks' in the Official Story, like the omission of WTC7, or the absolution of the FBI's role in investigating Able Danger to its potential. Not to mention brings 'horseshit' to mind. The man who flew the plane, of course, was not qualified in skills to fly a . Starting to raise some questions in your mind yet? The little voice in the back of your head that's like, "He's right! That shit is surely horseshit!" If not -I was prepared for that-, perhaps the facts this article provides might provoke some thought. [i] New Study: No Boeing 757 Hit the Pentagon Friday, June 22nd, 2007 By Jim Fetzer A study of the black box data provided by the government to Pilots for 9/11 Truth has confirmed the previous findings of Scholars for 9/11 Truth that no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon on 9/11. �We have had four lines of proof that no Boeing 757 hit the building,� said James Fetzer, founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. �This new study by Pilots drives another nail into a coffin of lies told the American people by The 9/11 Commission�.

Again, show us the missile fragments. Show us the bomb fragments from the WTC. Who fired the missiles? Who set off the bombs? From where did the explosives come from? Where was the missile launched from? If you have so much evidence, again, take it to court, file a lawsuit. WTF are you doing here talking to me? You've got criminals to catch......honestly man, take it to the courts.

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Originally posted by Krypton Again, show us the missile fragments. Show us the bomb fragments from the WTC. Who fired the missiles? Who set off the bombs? From where did the explosives come from? Where was the missile launched from? If you have so much evidence, again, take it to court, file a lawsuit. WTF are you doing here talking to me? You've got criminals to catch......honestly man, take it to the courts.

I see; you'll debate me until the ends of the Earth, yet when confronted with facts you respond with doublespeak. You're asking pointless questions that aren't very relevant to the case being presented. I'm giving you cause for more than reasonable doubt on the Official Story.

Telling me to take it to court is rather irrelevant as well.. This is a debate within a forum for our own interests and I believe the best way to act is to inform the public.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} I see; you'll debate me until the ends of the Earth, yet when confronted with facts you respond with doublespeak. You're asking pointless questions that aren't very relevant to the case being presented. I'm giving you cause for more than reasonable doubt on the Official Story. Telling me to take it to court is rather irrelevant as well.. This is a debate within a forum for our own interests and I believe the best way to act is to inform the public.

Exactly. You have no direct evidence. Nothing you can take to a court of law and prosecute whoever is responsible for this grand conspiracy you believe in so much. When you can't answer the questions, it's somehow my fault, huh? I tell you to take it to court, because if you have this solid case, then you should have no problem with bringing those responsible to justice.

Here is your dilema...

1. You have no direct evidence. No bomb fragments, no missile fragments, etc.

2. You have no prime suspects. You don't know who fired the missiles or set the bombs; who ordered the "false flag operation", or even the order itself (memo, email, etc.). You have built this case for conspiracy, yet you don't know who is responsible, who to prosecute.

Now, if you believe you can prove without a shadow of a doubt, that the government, or a faction within the government, is responsible for carrying out a false flag operation, then you should have no trouble bringing those people to justice, and you'll be famous for doing so.

If you can prosecute those responsible, trust me, the public will certainly pay attention. Propagandizing these conspiracy theories in a forum is a complete waste of yours and my time. Again, if your case is so strong, take it to court. Fuck those who fucked us over...

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Originally posted by Krypton Exactly. You have no direct evidence. Nothing you can take to a court of law and prosecute whoever is responsible for this grand conspiracy you believe in so much. When you can't answer the questions, it's somehow my fault, huh? I tell you to take it to court, because if you have this solid case, then you should have no problem with bringing those responsible to justice. Here is your dilema... 1. You have no direct evidence. No bomb fragments, no missile fragments, etc. 2. You have no prime suspects. You don't know who fired the missiles or set the bombs; who ordered the "false flag operation", or even the order itself (memo, email, etc.). You have built this case for conspiracy, yet you don't know who is responsible, who to prosecute. Now, if you believe you can prove without a shadow of a doubt, that the government, or a faction within the government, is responsible for carrying out a false flag operation, then you should have no trouble bringing those people to justice, and you'll be famous for doing so. If you can prosecute those responsible, trust me, the public will certainly pay attention. Propagandizing these conspiracy theories in a forum is a complete waste of yours and my time. Again, if your case is so strong, take it to court. Fuck those who fucked us over...

lol. Maybe I will, Milhouse, maybe I will...

[[ LINK REMOVED ]]


Pandora's Black Box.

From the video description..
first full documentary based on the American 77 Flight Data Recorder as provided by the NTSB


At 39 minutes the data from the black box (recovered under the Freedom of Information Act) is compared the Commission's farce, inverted story.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} lol. Maybe I will, Milhouse, maybe I will...

Seriously man. If you believe 100% in this case, fucking bring the culprits to justice. According to you, they are traitors who deserve nothing more than a public execution, because what you're really accusing the culprits (whoever they are) of is treason, which is punishable by death. I have pointed out just two major holes in your argument. No direct evidence. No prime suspects. Two things which are absolutely essential in court. That is how I judge your case. Does it hold up in a court room?

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Originally posted by Krypton Seriously man. If you believe 100% in this case, fucking bring the culprits to justice. According to you, they are traitors who deserve nothing more than a public execution, because what you're really accusing the culprits (whoever they are) of is treason, which is punishable by death. I have pointed out just two major holes in your argument. No direct evidence. No prime suspects. Two things which are absolutely essential in court. That is how I judge your case. Does it hold up in a court room?

One day, perhaps, someone will come forward with some hardcore evidence. I wouldn't say the government is really set up to prosecute war crimes, let alone bring a massive investigation into the NeoCons and the corporate involvement of 9/11.

Let's not forget the People v.s. Orenthal James Simpson. The courts are a subjective bullshit scam anyways. lol The very word 'court' just implies a game to me. Tennis, anyone?

And that's the sickest part about all of this, sir, is that they are getting away with it. Creating an endless supply terrorism to fight; because there will never be an end to 'terrorism' or the threat to America when they're inflicting damage and altering the way of life in a sovereign nation. It's as simple as the "War on Drugs", how can they be fighting drugs in society when your government and the CIA are supporting the people who ship it into your country?

It's just more money for more guns and more control, more laws that restrict freedoms, more power in the hands of the few.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} One day, perhaps, someone will come forward with some hardcore evidence. I wouldn't say the government is really set up to prosecute war crimes, let alone bring a massive investigation into the NeoCons and the corporate involvement of 9/11. Let's not forget the People v.s. Orenthal James Simpson. The courts are a subjective bullshit scam anyways. lol The very word 'court' just implies a game to me. Tennis, anyone? And that's the sickest part about all of this, sir, is that they are getting away with it. Creating an endless supply terrorism to fight; because there will never be an end to 'terrorism' or the threat to America when they're inflicting damage and altering the way of life in a sovereign nation. It's as simple as the "War on Drugs", how can they be fighting drugs in society when your government and the CIA are supporting the people who ship it into your country? It's just more money for more guns and more control, more laws that restrict freedoms, more power in the hands of the few.

So then, how are you going to bring these people to justice? With a mob? The point is, even though you believe 100% in your case, that case, nonetheless, would not meet the standard of guilt without a shadow of a doubt. You don't even know who to prosecute, let alone, have any direct evidence.

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Originally posted by Krypton What have you called us out on? By all means, post it. Federal Reserve? 9/11? Let's do this. I know colorut is too much of a pussy to debate me, even when challenged. Trancer, will you take up my direct debate challenge? Post ONE point, in which you believe you have called us out on, or one point, in which you believe you are absolutely right. I will not respond to plagiarized material, so please, your own words will suffice, with of course sources to back you up. I'm ready, are you? So post that one point.

We've called you out for being underhanded trolls who seek to deter others from positively engaging in certain threads on this board by focusing on ANYTHING BUT the points which are brought up by those of us who seek to stimulate some much needed public discussion.

The fact is that you don't seem to really even want to debate in an honest manner but would rather act as some sort of sycophantic guardian to the same status quo that continues to destroy our country. And by maintaining a blindly adversarial position without even fully researching the facts surrounding the debate, you continue to mindlessly spout government propaganda while intentionally spurning any public discussion that might delve into realms that are contradictory to the "official" conspiracy theory surrounding an array of topics ranging from The Secret Government, The Federal Reserve, 9/11, etc.

Or as you've previously said, before you spent countless hours trolling this board:

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Originally posted by Krypton Who here has the time to read all of that?

To be fair, I probably would have taken you more seriously in regards to your little debate challenge had it not been for your well established history of dancing around the facts (while completely failing to acknowledge them) while propounding many of the same deceptive White House talking points that our lying administration has been feeding other intellectually prostituting pundits like Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Ann Coulter.

BTW - and what's with the lawsuit red herring? We're just trying to arouse some much needed public debate in the hopes of getting our elected officials (while we still have them) to press for an independent and fully funded investigation. That's the kind of investigation that we should have had in the first place (like the Jersey Girls were pressing for) in order to maintain what our country is severely lacking - accountability.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Hey, considering you've avoided my points on the path of least resistance, I wouldn't be calling people out. I've stated my theory, and given proof of measure. How do you respond? Since you're in such a mood to debate.

Yeah, he likes to dance around those points but is reeeaaallly eager to debate red herrings. lol

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Originally posted by Trancer-X We've called you out for being underhanded trolls who seek to deter others from positively engaging in certain threads on this board by focusing on ANYTHING BUT the points which are brought up by those of us who seek to stimulate some much needed public discussion. The fact is that you don't seem to really even want to debate in an honest manner but would rather act as some sort of sycophantic guardian to the same status quo that continues to destroy our country. And by maintaining a blindly adversarial position without even fully researching the facts surrounding the debate, you continue to mindlessly spout government propaganda while intentionally spurning any public discussion that might delve into realms that are contradictory to the "official" conspiracy theory surrounding an array of topics ranging from The Secret Government, The Federal Reserve, 9/11, etc. Or as you've previously said, before you spent countless hours trolling this board: To be fair, I probably would have taken you more seriously in regards to your little debate challenge had it not been for your well established history of dancing around the facts (while completely failing to acknowledge them) while propounding many of the same deceptive White House talking points that our lying administration has been feeding other intellectually prostituting pundits like Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Ann Coulter. BTW - and what's with the lawsuit red herring? We're just trying to arouse some much needed public debate in the hopes of getting our elected officials (while we still have them) to press for an independent and fully funded investigation. That's the kind of investigation that we should have had in the first place (like the Jersey Girls were pressing for) in order to maintain what our country is severely lacking - accountability.

I don't agree with you. DEAL WITH IT CRY BABY. I'm debating with BSE who actually takes the time to write his own thoughts out and stays respectful as do I with him... you can stay the fuck out, unless you have something constructive to say, in a non-plagiarizing fashion.

I'll tell you the same thing I told BSE. If your case is so solid, get the fuck off the forums, and take it to a fucking court. Bring the bastards to justice. That is...if you have a case...

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Telling me to take it to court is rather irrelevant as well.. This is a debate within a forum for our own interests and I believe the best way to act is to inform the public.

That's apparently beyond his comprehension so he just continues to dance around the facts while posting adolescent pictures in his sorry attempt to shift the focus away from the topic at hand.

I thought that this series of responses was funnier, though:

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Originally posted by Krypton but I won't be putting you on ignore...

and then just one day later:

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Originally posted by Krypton Hey asshole, you're on my ignore list. Kindly go fuck yourself... http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...585#post9205585

I'm thinking that maybe it's not even the same person but rather several of them using one account (who aren't exactly on the same page as one another?) I dunno, I'm just throwing ideas around because it just seems weird that someone would flip-flop so flagrantly like that.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X That's apparently beyond his comprehension so he just continues to dance around the facts while posting adolescent pictures in his sorry attempt to shift the focus away from the topic at hand.

Your pussy ass refuses to debate me crying troll every time your horrible arguments get shot down. Again, let the adults debate, you keep crying in your corner with colorut...

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Originally posted by Trancer-X That's apparently beyond his comprehension so he just continues to dance around the facts while posting adolescent pictures in his sorry attempt to shift the focus away from the topic at hand.

You're so endearing, it's a wonder people are turned off by your debate strategy and choose to participate in other, more serious, threads instead.

Here comes the rest of the trolls whose only resort seems to be shooting the messenger.

You do have to appreciate the hard work and dedication that our perception management team puts in in order to keep the people in the dark while the world's financial elite continue to pave the road towards socialism here in the states.

Great work, folks! Perhaps one day you'll even be able to save up enough money to buy your souls back.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Here comes the rest of the trolls whose only resort seems to be shooting the messenger. You do have to appreciate the hard work and dedication that our perception management team puts in in order to keep the people in the dark while the world's financial elite continue to pave the road towards socialism here in the states. Great work, folks! Perhaps one day you'll even be able to save up enough money to buy your souls back.

LMAO

Yeah, you have to admire a job well done on any front, I guess. I wonder where the rest of the board stands on these situations. It seems we're the only people to attempt to explain any of it for the benefit of others.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Here comes the rest of the trolls whose only resort seems to be shooting the messenger. You do have to appreciate the hard work and dedication that our perception management team puts in in order to keep the people in the dark while the world's financial elite continue to pave the road towards socialism here in the states. Great work, folks! Perhaps one day you'll even be able to save up enough money to buy your souls back.

If you read the last few pages, well, what do ya know, a civilized debate between me and bse!! Gee golly!

Hey everybody, trancer is the light of the world! Saving people from the darkness! LOL @ the church of 9/11 truth

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Originally posted by Krypton Your pussy ass refuses to debate me crying troll every time your horrible arguments get shot down. Again, let the adults debate, you keep crying in your corner with colorut...

But YOU don't even debate, though. You apparently just seem to like to call it that for convenience sake while you dance around the facts while espousing government propaganda.

So how did those towers violate the laws of physics, again? Hmmm?

Go ahead. Let's see you dance, dance, dance the night away.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X But YOU don't even debate, though. You apparently just seem to like to call it that for convenience sake while you dance around the facts while espousing government propaganda.

I've debated plenty of times. About the Fed, and here about 9/11. Your only response is to call me a troll or sheeple or some other POS term.

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So how did those towers violate the laws of physics, again? Hmmm?

You tell me. You're the one espousing the towers violated some physical law. I'm the one telling you the towers collapsed because of planes crashing into them.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} (to Krypton) I see; you'll debate me until the ends of the Earth, yet when confronted with facts you respond with doublespeak.

But it's not really even a debate if the other party just uses lies to counter your argument. It's deception and they're apparently extremely proficient in using it to keep the rest of society in the dark.

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