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I hate the term "Evolutionist". Makes me feel like I'm a crazy person or something, just sticking to one idea. Tunnel vision at it's worst.

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Originally posted by jennypie http://www.marriedtothesea.com/060807/show-tunes.gif

LOL. Married to the Sea is awesome.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles LOL. Married to the Sea is awesome.

Seriously. There's a comic for every situation, lol.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i will finish this conversation just by pointing out that if god does exist then i will have all of eternity to study the bible, and if he doesn't then im not gonna waste my mortal life reading something that isn't true. squirm your way out of that analysis canuck!!

Tell ya what... if I'm right then you owe me a beer in the afterlife. If you're right then... I suppose it doesn't matter

I'll still maintain that if you want to have even more fun arguing over the Abrahamic faiths then you should give the bible another go; however, I understand it's a lot to ask.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Tell ya what... if I'm right then you owe me a beer in the afterlife. If you're right then... I suppose it doesn't matter I'll still maintain that if you want to have even more fun arguing over the Abrahamic faiths then you should give the bible another go; however, I understand it's a lot to ask.

i know! that's the one thing that really pisses me off. there's no possibility for me to say "haha told you so!" which is just frightfully unfair!

is there a version of the bible, you know, re-written? yeah, i know there's the 'good news' but that wasn't re-written enough. i'd love to read a copy of the bible if you had written it for instance. you could just omit the whole begetting! that shit was more repetitive than techno.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i know! that's the one thing that really pisses me off. there's no possibility for me to say "haha told you so!" which is just frightfully unfair! is there a version of the bible, you know, re-written?

Star Wars

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Star Wars

hahaha. that would make god the midichlorians (sp?). funny, i didn't find that a particularly convincing part of the saga

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN hahaha. that would make god the midichlorians (sp?). funny, i didn't find that a particularly convincing part of the saga

I'd say God's more the force... an omnipresent bind that is made of everything and holds everything together.

I suppose that makes George Lucas Moses... has George ever killed someone?

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I'd say God's more the force... an omnipresent bind that is made of everything and holds everything together. I suppose that makes George Lucas Moses... has George ever killed someone?

i agree, but george kinda made it as though the midichlorians fathered anakin which was just gay. the single biggest reason star wars > bible, is that star wars jesus was WAY more interesting. if jesus had been tempted by the darkside and run amok and that was why the world we were in is so shit today- that's the kind of storyline that i could get down to

maybe leading an unholy army and using his evil magics to conquer the world.

jesus was an adult when he found out he was the son of god, yeah? does that mean when he was growing up like all good young males, he had a dedicated habit of pumping his stump?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN jesus was an adult when he found out he was the son of god, yeah? does that mean when he was growing up like all good young males, he had a dedicated habit of pumping his stump?

Did he 'find out' at any stage? He's god for christs sake...if he didn't know that then who the fuck else would!

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Originally posted by RickyM Did he 'find out' at any stage? He's god for christs sake...if he didn't know that then who the fuck else would!

maybe he was a late bloomer?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i agree, but george kinda made it as though the midichlorians fathered anakin which was just gay. the single biggest reason star wars > bible, is that star wars jesus was WAY more interesting. if jesus had been tempted by the darkside and run amok and that was why the world we were in is so shit today- that's the kind of storyline that i could get down to

I agree with you on the midichlorians thing... it's confusing. Perhaps he intended for them to be interpreted as a physical manisfestation of the force.

BTW, Jesus was tempted by the "darkside" but managed to resist it for the most part; however, there are points in the bible where he gives into his anger (as the Emperior would say) but fuckin' up the stalls of vendors in the temple isn't nearly as spectacular as a lightsabre fight. Of course, if you read some of the gnostic gosples (specifically that of Phillip) he does go pretty darkside in his youth... even smites a kid for apparently know reason... which is pretty close to that whole telepathy choking trick.

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jesus was an adult when he found out he was the son of god, yeah? does that mean when he was growing up like all good young males, he had a dedicated habit of pumping his stump?

Indeed, it was not until he was baptised that he was made aware he was the son of god (30ish). That said, the bible is pretty clear that he was a very devout jew and incredibly well versed in "the laws," as the jews would say. It's also clear that he was a rabbi before learning of his devine mission. So, it could be that he resisted temptation; however, I prefer to think that Jesus' pre-"hey you're God" life was a perfectly typical Galallian life. I believe this because based on the gospels and the massianic prophecies in the OT it seems the only reason for God to decend to earth would be to fully experience what his "children" experience in life. If this is true than it seems probable that God would want the full experience. Also, Joseph was a devout jew... it's likely he would have fulfilled his obligations to his son well before his 30th birthday (middle aged at the time); those being - brisk, ba mitzvah (sp), teach a trade, arrange a marriage. Given these two assumptions it only makes sense that Jesus played as a child, jerked the gherk as a pre-teen, learned to be a stone worker (that's what Joseph was), got married, fucked his wife (maybe had a kid), etc. prior to being advised of his devine mission.

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Originally posted by RickyM Did he 'find out' at any stage? He's god for christs sake...if he didn't know that then who the fuck else would!

If the goal of decending to earth was to have a fully human experience then it would be necessary for at least part of that life to be lived without the knowledge that he was God (or part thereof).

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard If the goal of decending to earth was to have a fully human experience then it would be necessary for at least part of that life to be lived without the knowledge that he was God (or part thereof).

I have no idea how what you have just said could be achieved...but I suppose you can fall back on the idea that 'god can do anything' to explain this particular piece of nonsense.

I'd love to have been there when Jesus found out he was god:

Joseph: "Jesus, I've something to tell you...you are in fact an omniscient and all powerful diety in human form; who created the universe and everything in it".

Jesus: "Christ almighty dad, are you for real? How come I've only become aware of this now?".

Joseph: "Don't ask me son, it was your fucking idea...And I'm not your dad".

Jesus: "Then who is?"

Joseph: "You are".

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Originally posted by RickyM I have no idea how what you have just said could be achieved...but I suppose you can fall back on the idea that 'god can do anything' to explain this particular piece of nonsense. I'd love to have been there when Jesus found out he was god: Joseph: "Jesus, I've something to tell you...you are in fact an omniscient and all powerful diety in human form; who created the universe and everything in it". Jesus: "Christ almighty dad, are you for real? How come I've only become aware of this now?". Joseph: "Don't ask me son, it was your fucking idea...And I'm not your dad". Jesus: "Then who is?" Joseph: "You are".

That would be funny... but it was an angel who told him... Joseph would have already been dead at this point.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard That would be funny... but it was an angel who told him... Joseph would have already been dead at this point.

I've never heard that before, in what book/chapter does it say an angel told Jesus he was god? What age was Jesus when he found out?

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Originally posted by RickyM I've never heard that before, in what book/chapter does it say an angel told Jesus he was god? What age was Jesus when he found out?

He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, the Beloved, with whom I am well pleased" (Matthew 3:16-17).

As Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. 11And a voice came from heaven: "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased." (Mark 1:10)

When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased." (Luke 3:21-22)

John mentions that Jesus was babtized but doesn't really give much detail.

You'll note that the words "a voice came from heaven", in the original text (Mark and Luke essentially copied Matthew); Matthew used the hebrew words "Bath Kol" which means heavenly voice and is principly thought of as the voice of an angel or alternatively thought of as the echo of God's voice as the Hebrews believed God's voice could not be heard directly.

^ in the interest of full disclosure... I had to look up the passeges... I don't actually have the whole book memorized... and the Hebrew words... I don't speek Hebrew.

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AN Egyptian Coptic Christian shot at his sister and her family, killing her husband, after she converted to Islam and married a Muslim, a security official said today. Rami Atef Khella, 28, broke into the Cairo apartment of his sister, Miriam Atef Khella, and sprayed her family of three with gunfire, killing Ahmed Saleh and injuring Miriam and her daughter, the official said. The official said Khella had been searching for his sister for about two years, after she left her home province with her Muslim husband and came to Cairo. Police are searching for Khella and an uncle who accompanied him to his sister's home and fled the scene after the attack, the official said. Egypt's Copts - the largest Christian community in the Middle East - account for an estimated six to 10 percent of the country's 80 million inhabitants and complain of systematic discrimination and harassment. Last week, a Copt was shot dead when Muslims and Copts fought in a town in southern Egypt after a Muslim was accused of flirting with a Coptic girl.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,2359...9-38195,00.html

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN http://www.news.com.au/story/0,2359...9-38195,00.html

On the other hand, I have noticed that because religions work as intellectual franchises (i.e. a particular religion tends to "sell" the same set of ideas regardless of the country), there's a lot of international marriages among members of the same church.

There was this Mormon girl I knew that first started dating some guy in Japan and, after they broke up, went to the US because she had found a new groom there. Yesterday, also, a student of mine told me her cousin had just got married to a Russian girl she met on the internet. They belonged to the same church and hit it off.

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