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Originally posted by Q5echo if the Democrats want to paint the picture that Rush is the "leader of the Republican party", why wouldn't the leader of the Democrat party want dialogue? if the Donks want to play this game with Rush, and they honestly believe Rush is as doltish and dim-witted as they demonize him as, why wouldn't they want to call Rush's bluff on it?

Paint the picture?

You're painting it yourselves. I think we're all just really amused and feel pity at the same time.

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Originally posted by Q5echo if the Democrats want to paint the picture that Rush is the "leader of the Republican party", why wouldn't the leader of the Democrat party want dialogue? if the Donks want to play this game with Rush, and they honestly believe Rush is as doltish and dim-witted as they demonize him as, why wouldn't they want to call Rush's bluff on it?

So who is the leader of the Republican Party because apparently, Michael Steele isn't.

You're right The17sss.

Bush didn't attack anyone in particular (or maybe he did, it probably went unoticed in contrast to the 8 billion other fuck ups he performed), but he didn't have to. He dissed every single American with any speck of intelligence every single day by opening his mouth.

This is all pretty funny. Rush doesn't understand what it means to be classy, nor does he respect the position of the presidency so long as one of his cronies isn't in power.

He's a hypocrite of the highest order, and if he showed Obama even 1% of the love he showed Bush he'd at least have the decency to not make outrageous proposals. It will be fun to watch when Rush calls Obama a "gutless coward" when Obama doesn't acknowledge this request.

You go Rush. The heart-attack you've been after for years is just around the corner if you keep this tirade up

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Originally posted by Clovis Paint the picture? You're painting it yourselves.

wrong, Clovis. >LINK< this whole Rush broohaha was organized and orchestrated by Donkey Party operatives in the media and Obama's Chief of Staff. this is old school politics of destruction in an attempt of distraction.

you gotta keep up with us here Clovis. politics happens at lightspeed these days. this isn't a sub-forum about chopping Armin pics or some kid's latest dream about ass-raping someones pregnant grandmother.

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Originally posted by Krypton So who is the leader of the Republican Party because apparently, Michael Steele isn't.

i don't know but thats not really the question. the question this entire debate gives rise to is who says there has to be a leader and why?

it's pretty clear now if you've been paying attention as to who the opposition wants to be percieved as the leader and why.

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Originally posted by Q5echo if the Democrats want to paint the picture that Rush is the "leader of the Republican party", why wouldn't the leader of the Democrat party want dialogue? if the Donks want to play this game with Rush, and they honestly believe Rush is as doltish and dim-witted as they demonize him as, why wouldn't they want to call Rush's bluff on it?

Because he's not worth the time. Why sit around and play Rush's games when there's governing to do? And do you honestly think that Obama would accept a debating challenge from Michael Steele simply because he claims to be the "leader" of the Republican Party?

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Because he's not worth the time.

well first i agree. but only in the sense that, yes, Obama has real work that needs to be not only done but done better, not that i only disagree with Rush @ 20% of the time. and don't sell him short, Rush would bury Obama on Rush's format.

...but the evidence clearly suggest here that it's the Whitehouse and their acolytes in the media and the party thats all too willing to instigate and continue the game...well, until now.

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Originally posted by Q5echo and don't sell him short, Rush would bury Obama on Rush's format.

I don't doubt that for a second, though everyone said that about O'Reilly as well. Rush clearly would be setting the terms of the debate, because he has the political flexibility to call someone a coward for not bending over backwards. This whole idea is just silly though - what POTUS spends their time publicly debating whomsoever asks him to? If Obama debates Rush, does he then have to debate Michael Steele? What about Ann Coulter? Rush is just making a ploy for publicity, and as Alex said, he's probably salivating at the opportunity to question the President's courage when he gets ignored.

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Originally posted by Q5echo wrong, Clovis. >LINK< this whole Rush broohaha was organized and orchestrated by Donkey Party operatives in the media and Obama's Chief of Staff. this is old school politics of destruction in an attempt of distraction. you gotta keep up with us here Clovis. politics happens at lightspeed these days. this isn't a sub-forum about chopping Armin pics or some kid's latest dream about ass-raping someones pregnant grandmother.

Jonathan Martin is Politico's resident asshat conservative writer. While I don't doubt the veracity of that story I wouldn't be surprised if much of it was exaggerated. Some mundane effort to draw connections to things that don't exist and grasping at conspiracy straws.

I'll be waiting for another paper to validate the claims.

Well whada know... You see Q5, you gotta keep up with these things. Politics happen at lightspeed these days.

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Carville, Begala deny White House 'conspiracy' on Limbaugh Posted: 06:08 PM ET WASHINGTON (CNN) � Democratic strategist James Carville avoided saying Wednesday if he had been in contact with the White House over ongoing efforts to portray talk show host Rush Limbaugh as the leader of the Republican Party. Carville was asked on CNN�s The Situation Room about a report in Politico that said Carville and his longtime friend, CNN contributor Paul Begala, pushed the idea of attacking Limbaugh in their daily conversations with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Carville said it was Limbaugh who started the war of the words. �I think that honestly I don�t want to take credit away from the great Rush Limbaugh who did it on January 16 when he said he wanted the president�s policies to fail, and that�s what started the whole thing,� Carville said. �So don�t give Paul and I, or Rahm credit. Credit is due to the great Rush Limbaugh. So my hat�s off to you, Rush.� The Politico piece noted that Carville and his partner, pollster Stan Greenberg, began polling Limbaugh�s popularity last year during the presidential campaign. Carville said he and Greenberg have included Limbaugh in their polls �for a long time,� and said they were working on a new poll to be released soon. �He�s been unpopular in every one,� he said. �In fact, we�re in the field right now with a poll on Rush Limbaugh, and we�ll be releasing those results. I don�t what those are. Maybe he�s gotten more popular. We�ll find out. I don�t know if it�s a plot or a conspiracy or what. We poll all the time." UPDATE: Begala, asked in a separate interview whether he was coordinating an anti-Limbaugh strategy with the White House, said: � I don�t take orders from anybody, except CNN. I don't work for any politicians. I work for the network.� �My strong suspicion is that the White House has bigger fish to fry,� Begala told CNN. The former Clinton administration official said he has �been speaking out against Rush Limbaugh for as long as I can remember.� �I do what I do out loud,� he said. �I�m a cheerleader and not a drum major, so if I�m saying something and people repeat it, I think it's great.� http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...political-feud/

I'll say it again, over and over:

Thank you Rush.

You're the gift that keeps on giving to us silly little libruls.

Yes. Please keep stoking the fires of your base. Keep challenging Obama on an unprecedented debate between a President of the United States, the most powerful position in our country and arguably the world, and you - a radio talkshow blowhard, uber-wingnut of the ulta-right wing of the "conservative" party.

You are really making quite a statement. I know it will work. You have found gold, Rushbo. This is the key to tackling all those horrible demons that collectively brought down your party in two elections, and will gain back the love of the American citizens away from Obama and towards you.

By God, you really are on to something. Please, keep going. You have our blessing.........

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I'll say it again, over and over: Thank you Rush. You're the gift that keeps on giving to us silly little libruls. Yes. Please keep stoking the fires of your base. Keep challenging Obama on an unprecedented debate between a President of the United States, the most powerful position in our country and arguably the world, and you - a radio talkshow blowhard, uber-wingnut of the ulta-right wing of the "conservative" party. You are really making quite a statement. I know it will work. You have found gold, Rushbo. This is the key to tackling all those horrible demons that collectively brought down your party in two elections, and will gain back the love of the American citizens away from Obama and towards you. By God, you really are on to something. Please, keep going. You have our blessing.........

lol...collectively. Double entendre?

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Originally posted by Q5echo wrong, Clovis. >LINK< this whole Rush broohaha was organized and orchestrated by Donkey Party operatives in the media and Obama's Chief of Staff. this is old school politics of destruction in an attempt of distraction. you gotta keep up with us here Clovis. politics happens at lightspeed these days. this isn't a sub-forum about chopping Armin pics or some kid's latest dream about ass-raping someones pregnant grandmother.

Condescension aside, that article repeats itself several times and is really making a big fucking deal out of nothing. If posting some youtube videos, polling numbers and mentioning rush on a talk show is "organizing and orchestrating", well fuck, there must be a lot of that going every day on pretty much every subject.

Rush loves it, the party chairman just apologized to him, and he's all over the news. What is there to orchestrate? And what are we being distracted from? Republicans who disagree with him but are staring at the floor?

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Originally posted by Q5echo ...but the evidence clearly suggest here that it's the Whitehouse and their acolytes in the media and the party thats all too willing to instigate and continue the game...well, until now.

Let's just remember who's in fucking charge here.

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Originally posted by Q5echo i don't know but thats not really the question. the question this entire debate gives rise to is who says there has to be a leader and why? it's pretty clear now if you've been paying attention as to who the opposition wants to be percieved as the leader and why.

The implication of your question is the Republican Party is leaderless. Thank god for that. The party is in shambles.

Actually it's not good.. We need an opposition party. All this sh!t being pushed through congress is disastrous. I preferred the gridlock of the 90s.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt Actually it's not good.. We need an opposition party. All this sh!t being pushed through congress is disastrous. I preferred the gridlock of the 90s.

I'd like to see reasoned, reality based opposition to Obama and congress as well. If we could elevate the debate it would be nice.

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Originally posted by josh4 Well whada know... You see Q5, you gotta keep up with these things. Politics happen at lightspeed these days.

That's too funny. CNN workers interviewed on CNN. They aren't taking credit for it "yet" because they aren't sure if it's going to work in the long run. Come on man, Carville and Begala did the same thing in Clinton's "war room" sessions targeting Limbaugh. LOL... lets include other quotes from the same interview not mentioned in the one you posted:

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Cooper: "Are you working with Carville, perhaps Emanuel, others in the White House, as part of a concerted effort to target Limbaugh?" Begala: I don't know what you mean by concerted effort. I guess the short answer is, no, I do what I do, James. I'm -- he and I agree. My best friend. I've been -- we've been in business, informally at least, or formally, for 25 years. Cooper. "Clearly you're talking to Rahm Emanuel every day on the phone, and this lightbulb's gone off in your head, and James Carville said, 'I find it hard to believe you don't say to Rahm Emanuel, "guess what, look at our poll numbers on Limbaugh."'" BEGALA: I don't know. I don't keep careful notes of these things. My view is I keep private conversations private, Anderson, and that's part of -- of what I do to try to figure out what's going on in the world. But also, I mean, I -- I talk to my friends about any number of things. But here's the secret: I don't like Rush Limbaugh. Here's the other secret: He is the most powerful person in the Republican Party today, bar none.

So, Begala doesn't know if if they talked about him... doesn't take notes... depends on the definition of "concerted".

Then, Bill O'Reilly asked Clinton's former guy Dick Morris this:

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O'Reilly: "What about this effort to link the Republican Party to Limbaugh and the White House taking out this attack? What do you think about this, Dick?" MORRIS: Carville, Emanuel, and Stephanopoulos have a mind meld. O'Reilly: Okay. But is it smart -- MORRIS: It's a smart strategy. I did the same thing when I worked for Clinton. I didn't like running against Bob Dole 'cause he was a decent guy. And we didn't have anything to say about Jack Kemp, his running mate, so we made Newt Gingrich his running mate, and we said vote against the Dole-Gingrich proposal and we basically put Gingrich on the ballot even though he wasn't because back then a lot of people didn't like him.

Saul Alinsky Rule #13. Don't make me repeat it.

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Originally posted by The17sss Saul Alinsky Rule #13. Don't make me repeat it.

You're the only one who puts any credence in them, so I won't make you repeat it.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt Actually it's not good.. We need an opposition party. All this sh!t being pushed through congress is disastrous. I preferred the gridlock of the 90s.

The Repubs had their chance with one party rule. Time for the Dems to have theirs.

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Originally posted by Krypton The implication of your question is the Republican Party is leaderless. Thank god for that. The party is in shambles.

maybe in the electorate (the media being an extention of that), but right now at this moment i believe the party is firmly united where they need to be and thats in Congress. the great thing about this Congressional unity is, from appearances anyway, galvanized by principles not so much certain individuals that are standard bearers said principles. the question being is it enough? i think so, for now.

as far as the scattered electorate and who they are influenced by is concerned, these things take time and unity usually comes around again with election cycles.

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Originally posted by josh4 Well whada know... You see Q5, you gotta keep up with these things. Politics happen at lightspeed these days.

of course Begala is going to deny it. what's the downside for Begala to lie and deny it? zero

you have to ask yourself who's got more to lose for lying about it or denying it.

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Originally posted by Q5echo of course Begala is going to deny it. what's the downside for Begala to lie and deny it? zero you have to ask yourself who's got more to lose for lying about it or denying it.

Yes okay - Operation Rushbo. They planned it all in their secret underground democratic cabal war room. Al Gore chaired the meeting and Pelosi was by his side. Afterward they gloated about how well Operation Man-Made Global Warming is going. "No respectable scientist will ever refute the claims now that we've brainwashed them all! Muahahaha!"

You guys and your librul conspiracies. You're sounding more and more like shaolin_z every day, someone get pkc to smack some sense into these guys. They're out of power and foaming at the mouth.

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Originally posted by Q5echo maybe in the electorate (the media being an extention of that), but right now at this moment i believe the party is firmly united where they need to be and thats in Congress. the great thing about this Congressional unity is, from appearances anyway, galvanized by principles not so much certain individuals that are standard bearers said principles. the question being is it enough? i think so, for now. as far as the scattered electorate and who they are influenced by is concerned, these things take time and unity usually comes around again with election cycles.

The electorate, yea, no leader. Partisanwise, it's Rush Limbaugh without a doubt. The man is the defacto ideologue of the Republican Party. The sorry fact for Republicans though is...most of the country, is tired of war, tired of corporate kickbacks, and tired of Republicans, because they are the ones viewed as the party responsible for these abuses. Even Rush Limbaugh can't deny the fact that this recession, and the abuses which caused it, happened during Bush's stint. It's amusing how they try to blame it all on Clinton, or the Democrats. I have never seen a Republican actually take a look at themselves, and ever admit mistakes. It's always someone else's fault for Republicans. With that kind of sorry attitude, I don't see them having a chance in the next election, if Obama proves to be a good president.

keeps getting better

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Rush: Kennedy won't live to see health reform Rush Limbaugh suggested that one of the main sponsors of health care reform won't live to see its passage, telling his audience today: "Before it's all over, it'll be called the Ted Kennedy memorial health care bill." http://www.politico.com/blogs/glenn...lth_reform.html

glee

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