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| Originally posted by dEsidEL And as for the "happy Easter/Christmas", etc. greetings by atheists or other non-believers, i think they're affectionaltely known as "Hallmark holidayers".. |
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| Originally posted by rabbitjoker I've already complained. These ads won't be up long. |
A Godless world only promotes the time we spend on this earth as apposed to the afterlife. A Godless world only focuses on the material gains of life instead of the spiritual gains. There is a big difference between Institutionalized religion and being spiritual, or believing in God and his three prophets and that's what all these atheist's cant get through their heads. Instead of focusing on the main message of all the great Religions, which is basically treat people and yourself with respect, people focus on the institution. Has it ever been a secret that the leaders of the most powerful governments and movements have been corrupt? People forget that its MAN that has plagued this world, not God. In no great book does it say go off and wage wars in God's name and spread the word and force people into believing. No. Men have taken religion and used it as a weapon, a weapon with far greater strength than any bomb. The one thing I will say, is that the belief that Jesus is God's son is the most mistaken and mislead pieces of information, probably ever. The New Testament was only created after a council agreed upon what should be allowed to be in it. Don't you find it funny that after The "Jews" complained that Jesus was falsely preaching, The "Romans" were more than glad to beat him to a point until you could no longer recognize him and then The "Holy" Roman Empire is the one to spread "Jesus'" teachings across Europe and eventually into the New World (North America). Not to mention that the symbol of Christianity is of their savior being crucified. It is blasphemous paganistic worship of the Sun God, Ra, who has been worshiped for thousands of years since the Egyptians. And do you know what happened to the pharaohs of Egypt? Did they disappear? No, the bloodlines run today and branch out to every royal family there is today, including the British monarchy, the bush family, Obama etc.. Open your eyes people. The war isn't in Iraq, Or Iran, Or Gaza, It's within yourself. You don't believe in Religion fine. But look at the sunset one day, and all the beauty in this world and tell me that its an accident due to a big bang billions of years ago that people can only theorize about.
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| Originally posted by shevchenko135 But look at the sunset one day, and all the beauty in this world and tell me that its an accident due to a big bang billions of years ago that people can only theorize about. |
lol proven? hahahahahaha, Religious people believe in something that happened a few thousand years ago, you believe in something that happened 6 billion years ago. God or no God, who's been fooled into believing now.
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| Originally posted by shevchenko135 lol proven? hahahahahaha, Religious people believe in something that happened a few thousand years ago, you believe in something that happened 6 billion years ago. God or no God, who's been fooled into believing now. |
I am but I'm totally serious as well. People believe what is fed to them in that point in time. Just as people went from believing that the earth was flat, to people believing in God, to people believing This shit was created Billions of years ago out of nothing. I'm not saying that its wrong, cause I don't know, just as millions of us just don't fucking know anything. We can say we know, we can be told that what we know is right, but in truth we really don't know much. Theory's are theory's..just a collection of facts related together in order to make the MOST sense in that point in time. Just as was done thousands of years ago, and is done today. I bet you anything that people in thousands of years will look at our civilization and laugh at the things in we believed in. This is just the trend that keeps on happening. I have nothing against knowledge and knowing things and exploring the possibilities, but its its accepting certain knowledge and treating it as truth/reality is when things get tricky. People have been fooled throughout history so it comes down to ones ego to accept that maybe, beyond a reasonable doubt that what we know isn't 100% true.
String theory
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| Originally posted by shevchenko135 |
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| Originally posted by FunkyCrew fair enough but at least regarding the Big Bang there are more or less reliable facts and coherent theories you can't possibly go on believing that Earth was made in 7 days |
Somebody buy this guy a drink.
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| Originally posted by jennypie Somebody buy this guy a drink. |
The spawn of God was most likely created by an early ignorant people we call our ancestors. The simpler times of hunting and gathering, living day to day and just surviving was all the they knew. It's far easier to explain why things are (to the simple mind) by having the idea of a supreme being, be it the sun, God, or anything else deemed powerful enough to create/sustain life. How could early man come to any other logical conclusion than that a god of some form exists because they had no other means of answering their questions. As time goes by the idea of god so becomes entrenched into their existence that even Gods mystery and might becomes stronger and stronger. Very similar to a fisherman telling the same fish story when the size of the catch increases each time.
Even as humans became more and more learned, the awesomeness of God continues to grow to them. You can't shake what you've learned since it has pretty much answered most of your questions. Your life evolves around this "knowledge" to the point where they are inseparable... one cannot exist without the other.
Science cannot answer all the questions... yet, but time is on sciences side. It is also not based on propaganda, but on fact. Evidence to why things are and where they came from is so compelling that they lead to solid conclusions. Religion is based on faith without the requirement for truths and facts whatsoever. When science asks a question it has to go though copious amounts of study to draw conclusions. When religion needs answers they turn to some kind of scripture or book. They don't need proof of any kind because blind faith alone is all you really need.
It's true that much good has come from religion in the shape of things like being good to others, etc, etc. All these things can be achieved just as easily without the presence of God or religion. They call it the theory of evolution, but it should be more accurate to say the theory of god. It is more comfortable to suggest that God has created all than it is to accept that we exist out of chance. No one likes to hear that in the end we are born, we live, then we die. Nothing more, nothing less.
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| Originally posted by shevchenko135 A Godless world only promotes the time we spend on this earth as apposed to the afterlife. A Godless world only focuses on the material gains of life instead of the spiritual gains. There is a big difference between Institutionalized religion and being spiritual, or believing in God and his three prophets and that's what all these atheist's cant get through their heads. Instead of focusing on the main message of all the great Religions, which is basically treat people and yourself with respect, people focus on the institution. Has it ever been a secret that the leaders of the most powerful governments and movements have been corrupt? People forget that its MAN that has plagued this world, not God. In no great book does it say go off and wage wars in God's name and spread the word and force people into believing. No. Men have taken religion and used it as a weapon, a weapon with far greater strength than any bomb. The one thing I will say, is that the belief that Jesus is God's son is the most mistaken and mislead pieces of information, probably ever. The New Testament was only created after a council agreed upon what should be allowed to be in it. Don't you find it funny that after The "Jews" complained that Jesus was falsely preaching, The "Romans" were more than glad to beat him to a point until you could no longer recognize him and then The "Holy" Roman Empire is the one to spread "Jesus'" teachings across Europe and eventually into the New World (North America). Not to mention that the symbol of Christianity is of their savior being crucified. It is blasphemous paganistic worship of the Sun God, Ra, who has been worshiped for thousands of years since the Egyptians. And do you know what happened to the pharaohs of Egypt? Did they disappear? No, the bloodlines run today and branch out to every royal family there is today, including the British monarchy, the bush family, Obama etc.. Open your eyes people. The war isn't in Iraq, Or Iran, Or Gaza, It's within yourself. You don't believe in Religion fine. But look at the sunset one day, and all the beauty in this world and tell me that its an accident due to a big bang billions of years ago that people can only theorize about. |
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| Originally posted by shevchenko135 lol proven? hahahahahaha, Religious people believe in something that happened a few thousand years ago, you believe in something that happened 6 billion years ago. God or no God, who's been fooled into believing now. |
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| Originally posted by shevchenko135 I am but I'm totally serious as well. People believe what is fed to them in that point in time. Just as people went from believing that the earth was flat, to people believing in God, to people believing This shit was created Billions of years ago out of nothing. I'm not saying that its wrong, cause I don't know, just as millions of us just don't fucking know anything. We can say we know, we can be told that what we know is right, but in truth we really don't know much. Theory's are theory's..just a collection of facts related together in order to make the MOST sense in that point in time. Just as was done thousands of years ago, and is done today. I bet you anything that people in thousands of years will look at our civilization and laugh at the things in we believed in. This is just the trend that keeps on happening. I have nothing against knowledge and knowing things and exploring the possibilities, but its its accepting certain knowledge and treating it as truth/reality is when things get tricky. People have been fooled throughout history so it comes down to ones ego to accept that maybe, beyond a reasonable doubt that what we know isn't 100% true. |
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| Originally posted by shevchenko135 Never did I say I believed that. I make my own truth because that's all you can do in this sick world we live in. I refuse to be a part of something or an idea just because that's what the general public thinks, aside of supposed "proof" of such theories. Until I see a youtube video of some anti-matter exploding and creating the universe I will not accept it as 100% truth because I can't really be sure, no one can, not even the scientists who propose these ideas. History has proven countless times that the masses are lead to believe things through propaganda whether they are the right things to believe in or not. So I will go on by making my own truth from what I gather and learn over time. For me, truth of creation comes not from the things man have created like cars and spaceships and computers, but from nature and our body (which is the most complex collection of systems that exists). |
it is also amusing to note some people think science is against religion
science and religion can coexist, just like science and other philosophical ideas
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| Originally posted by evil_cookie Fellow TA's I am pleased to announce that we have a new village idiot amongst us. |
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| Originally posted by jennypie I don't see how anything he said was idiotic. Makes more sense and is a lot more rational than the typical shit that most other people spew on the subject. |
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| Originally posted by shevchenko135 lol proven? hahahahahaha, Religious people believe in something that happened a few thousand years ago, you believe in something that happened 6 billion years ago. God or no God, who's been fooled into believing now. |
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| Originally posted by shevchenko135 Never did I say I believed that. I make my own truth because that's all you can do in this sick world we live in. I refuse to be a part of something or an idea just because that's what the general public thinks, aside of supposed "proof" of such theories. Until I see a youtube video of some anti-matter exploding and creating the universe... |
I don't see what's wrong with that. Perception is everything.
And you've obviously taken his Youtube comment too literally. He's just making a point about what we know as "truth", and how time and time again that "truth" has been disproved as new "evidence" emerges.
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| Originally posted by jennypie I don't see what's wrong with that. Perception is everything. And you've obviously taken his Youtube comment too literally. |
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| Originally posted by evil_cookie Something is either true or it is not--something cannot be scientifically true for one person and not true for another. |
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| Originally posted by Yohan of course it can example two scientists observe same occurence happening, but each have different opinions to how that occurence happen. both can prove (or at least theorize) and it makes valid sense from scientific method POV so which scientist is right? |
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| Originally posted by evil_cookie Perception belongs to the realm of subjectivism. Observational consensus--the scientific method--belongs to the realm of objectivism. so no, everything is not perception. |
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| Originally posted by evil_cookie You're confused Yohan. The yielded results they have come to they have agreed on--there is no opinion. However, each scientist can certainly hypothesis about how "x" came to be. But, it cannot, and does not negate the fact that "x" is true. |
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| Originally posted by jennypie So you're saying that truth is absolute? Cause that sounds pretty stupid to me. |
No, I don't care to read your post. I just wanted to point out that you've misinterpreted stevechenko's posts.
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