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Originally posted by owien dont you own a virus if so select it remove all precomputed effects so that its as plane and dry as you can muster then find ways of making the kick as dry as you can ie remove res,filters and anything that will make it wet. try and find ways of opening the kick sound and pin pointing the deapist area. once you have found the part of the kick you like then zone in on it as much as you can. select eq and move all parameters to that area. try not to make the kick sit to low in the mix or to high find ways of using mid notes. and take it from their.

alright thanks, we'll see

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Originally posted by cryophonik Show us what you've created and maybe some people will take you up on that offer.

i'm stayin at my parents so i will post up some of my shit when i get back to my own home

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Originally posted by owien dont you own a virus if so select it remove all precomputed effects so that its as plane and dry as you can muster then find ways of making the kick as dry as you can ie remove res,filters and anything that will make it wet. try and find ways of opening the kick sound and pin pointing the deapist area. once you have found the part of the kick you like then zone in on it as much as you can. select eq and move all parameters to that area. try not to make the kick sit to low in the mix or to high find ways of using mid notes. and take it from their.

Why would he want to follow your directions and enjoy the fruits of your work? He should design his OWN kick drum! How can he, as a producer, hope to ever have his own sound if he follows your directions?

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Originally posted by david.michael Why would he want to follow your directions and enjoy the fruits of your work? He should design his OWN kick drum! How can he, as a producer, hope to ever have his own sound if he follows your directions?

becaue i have given him the spoon and now its up him to use it nice try tho

and i bet once he understands how to make it he will want to learn more!

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Originally posted by owien becaue i have given him the spoon and now its up him to use it nice try tho

I guess that's just how I feel about samples.

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Originally posted by david.michael I guess that's just how I feel about samples.

fair enough

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Originally posted by owien other then good and clever arrangement i cant see how a producer hopes on having their own sound if the dont stop and try to create it.

I have my own sound too, and that is not by creating everything from scratch, but by using the sounds that i like whether it be presets, self programmed sounds, analog synths or a collection of samples. It doesnt matter, what matters is that it is the sounds i want in my tracks.

In the end the only thing that will determine how unique your tracks will be is in the producers head.. there is absolutely nothing more to it.

I program a lot of my own sounds these days, but drums is something i would never program myself.. why ? because its impossible to create even a fraction of the drum sounds you find in various sample packs.
Sure some percussions sounds are doable, but most will never ever sound like the real thing.

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Originally posted by Subtle I have my own sound too, and that is not by creating everything from scratch, but by using the sounds that i like whether it be presets, self programmed sounds, analog synths or a collection of samples. It doesnt matter, what matters is that it is the sounds i want in my tracks. In the end the only thing that will determine how unique your tracks will be is in the producers head.. there is absolutely nothing more to it. I program a lot of my own sounds these days, but drums is something i would never program myself.. why ? because its impossible to create even a fraction of the drum sounds you find in various sample packs. Sure some percussions sounds are doable, but most will never ever sound like the real thing.

I endorse this 1000%! I can't even respond to the clown any further because he exploded my brain from the stupidity.

He needs to realize it's respectable that he makes all of his own sounds but people have their own reasons and styles of making music. The only thing that makes music intriguing is your fucking brain. No synth, no sample pack, and no daw/hardware. Please understand that, it's very fucking simple.

The reason people have all ganged up on him is because he's stating their work is shit because of how they go about creating it (utterly bullshit). The problem here is he's claiming his way is superior to everyone elses yet refuses to post anything proving he can even make an ADEQUATE track with his methodology, let alone something that blows everyone elses away in originality and engineering.

He needs to understand that some of us do this all the time every day all year. Doing so we have TONS of ideas that come into our heads. Those ideas change fairly quickly so it's important to get them down. Once they're down then you deal with changing sounds and finalizing everything. I can easily say more producers then not enjoy the creation and composition of ideas into tracks; not the engineering of them. This makes their tracks no worse or better than yours; all that matters is what it sounds like when it is complete. Things like percussion even if you synthesize your own are identical to samples! Why? Because a synthesizer is not a fucking bass drum/congo/bongo/hi hat/clav/etc!

And because I didn't make this statement to him directly I don't have to reply to his stupid retort talking about "witch" and "bole" LOL

I have no problems with the typos/misspellings because I assume that English is not his first language. If that's the case, I think we should all cut him some slack there and focus on the real issue.

I'm fine with others making music however they want based on their own ideals, but his reasons for applying his ideals to others is fundamentally flawed. Did Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, etc. create entirely new sounds or insist on using new and original instruments that haven't been heard before? Of course not, yet somehow they managed to create truly original and great masterpieces that most would agree have had pretty good longevity.

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Originally posted by owien i'm stayin at my parents so i will post up some of my shit when i get back to my own home

Looking forward to listening.

Please stop feeding the idiot!

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Originally posted by cryophonik I have no problems with the typos/misspellings because I assume that English is not his first language. If that's the case, I think we should all cut him some slack there and focus on the real issue. I'm fine with others making music however they want based on their own ideals, but his reasons for applying his ideals to others is fundamentally flawed. Did Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, etc. create entirely new sounds or insist on using new and original instruments that haven't been heard before? Of course not, yet somehow they managed to create truly original and great masterpieces that most would agree have had pretty good longevity.

well i'm sorry if i look at my work as being more then just tunes.

and as crazy as this may sound i treat my tracks as something worth hearing time and time again much like classical music. because that's where my talent lies.


back when the likes of beethooven,mozart ect were making music was a very different time. and i know what you're driving at,back then they just made the best songs they could with what was made.

right on but sorry this is a completly different time a time where so much shit sounds the same a time when we have the pleasure of making almost anything we want or hear in our heads.

i'm in the process of writing and creating a Synthphony in fl ffs why because i dont want to limit myself and once done would of opened my eyes to new areas of music i never new of before and on top of that i have the skill of pulling it of.
not because im a wanker or up my own ass no its because i want to break the standerd formats and have my shit seen for somthing differnt hopefully.

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Originally posted by Zild Please stop feeding the idiot!

please stop posting

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Originally posted by owien please stop posting

Please eat at dick!

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Originally posted by owien well i'm sorry if i look at my work as being more then just tunes.

There's no need to apologize for how you look at your own work - it's the forcing of your personal creative ideals on other people that is problematic.

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Originally posted by owien back when the likes of beethooven,mozart ect were making music was a very different time. and i know what you're driving at,back then they just made the best songs they could with what was made.

Sorry, but you're dead wrong there. There were a LOT of instruments available when the great Masters were composing their work that they didn't use. They chose to work within the limitations of certain instruments and orchestral arrangements. The same concept applies to music made today, whether it's neo-classical orchestral music or rock-n-roll. Limiting one's self to existing instruments or sounds, whether it's a guitar or a kick drum sample, does not preclude one from creating something that is original.

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Originally posted by owien right on but sorry this is a completly different time a time where so much shit sounds the same a time when we have the pleasure of making almost anything we want or hear in our heads.

Just because we can make any sound imaginable doesn't mean that everybody should, or that it will be better than anything else, or that other people will want to hear it.

With that, I'm done with this thread. It's been an exercise in futility from the get-go.

So I'm curious, if a trance/house/breaks producers uses a live, original recording of a vocalist and/or instrumentalist (say guitar, with some pedals), does that count as talent, or does the producer have to synthesize his own guitar and vocals?

What if it's not original material, but there are so many effects and cuts that it's not even recognizable as the original material? Isn't that effectively a form of synthesis?

All this time spent arguing about nothing important is better spent, oh, I don't know, making some music? We are musicians here, aren't we? Not just a bunch of idiots with a laptop and a copy of Reason?

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Originally posted by alanzo All this time spent arguing about nothing important is better spent, oh, I don't know, making some music? We are musicians here, aren't we? Not just a bunch of idiots with a laptop and a copy of Reason?

Exactly why I think we need a mod who could have locked this thread a long time ago, but we're still here puffing smoke wasting time that could be put towards a blog or creating tutorials or something like making music. Hey how about that making fucking music...

This idiot motivates me so I see it as a beneficial waste of time.

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Originally posted by Zild Exactly why I think we need a mod who could have locked this thread a long time ago, but we're still here puffing smoke wasting time that could be put towards a blog or creating tutorials or something like making music. Hey how about that making fucking music...

indeed but among all this smoke differnt sides of music production has been shared. and has give me something to stop and ponder on and maybe the same for others.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 This idiot motivates me so I see it as a beneficial waste of time.

good much like your thred crying over tiesto and may i ask why you felt the need to make it?

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Originally posted by owien indeed but among all this smoke differnt sides of music production has been shared. and has give me something to stop and ponder on and maybe the same for others.

I won't begrudge you that point as I fully agree.

Please realize I make all of my own sounds, samples and loops, while using absolutely no presets, and I still think you're being a big of a dick.

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Originally posted by owien good much like your thred crying over tiesto and may i ask why you felt the need to make it?

If you knew how to read or write you'd have read the fucking thread and not have had to ask that absolutely retarded question. Are you that dumb? Do they not have public school systems where you live?

I think I may dedicate a track to you. I think I will. I'll make the entire thing out of samples roffl!

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Originally posted by Zild a big of a dick.

ok but who the fuck are you i never see you post here hence why i ask

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Originally posted by owien ok but who the fuck are you i never see you post here hence why i ask

Pot. Kettle.

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