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Originally posted by palm people seems to forget how fun it is to work with samples..

And some people forget how fun it is to work with a room full of synths.

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Originally posted by palm no i remember very well how fun it was, it wasnt fun at all lol.

And yet a lot of people find it a heap of fun. Your experience is simply that - your personal experience. As my experience is simply my personal experience. I wouldn't tell people "buy some hardware synths, they'll be a lot of fun", because I don't know that. It seems you have no problems telling people "don't buy hardware, it's a big hassle and not worth it". Please understand that not everyone is exactly like you.

Are you dense? They aren't the same kind, they all have their different characteristics and uses. Fun is the main reason as well as achieving a certain sound from each of them.

You've made your point clear and we get and respect it, but just stop now. You're getting tiring.

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Originally posted by Fledz Are you dense? They aren't the same kind, they all have their different characteristics and uses. Fun is the main reason as well as achieving a certain sound from each of them. You've made your point clear and we get and respect it, but just stop now. You're getting tiring.

+1

that was part of the fun of the older generation VA or analog. Synths like the waldorf pulse, sh101 , nord2 all have a very distinctive sound.

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Originally posted by palm im not telling people to not get hardware, im telling them to not getting three of the same kind.

By that same logic, people shouldn't get 3 software synths, because all 3 are software synths, and are therefore the same.

Why does it bother people when other people want to get new gear anyway? Whenever someone talks about getting a new synth you always see all this, "But you don't *need* that!"

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Whenever someone talks about getting a new synth you always see all this, "But you don't *need* that!"

They're practicing to be mommies?

Same reason people feel the need to "call someone out" when they post a picture of a nice studio but choose not to share their music.

O U HAS ALL TAHT GEARS BUT U PROBLY SUK AT MAKE MUSICS!11

Kindergarten level jealousy.

Wow so I will finally take the time to thank Stephen for his recommendation.
After reading some posts about the virus oscillators sucking naturally I started to get worried but after hearing it for myself today in my own hands in my own studio I LOVE IT.

If theres a lot of synths out there that sound "better", that actually makes me even happier cause I could not imagine even needing that level of sonic power.
I spent about 2 hours going through presets (almost blew my speakers opening some filters, Virus seems a lot more dynamic then anything I've used so far) and was extremely impressed.
The basses are fat, perhaps too fat, nothing some proper equal cant fix, but they DO have a very solid character I dont remember hearing in a lot of software. Almost like you can hit the sound with a bat and the bat would break. Again, this could just be all in my head.

The acid sounds are INSANE, I'm sorry but I have never heard any acid sounds like this on software. Maybe its just the fx but they scream with energy, some of my favs are def the acid sounds.
Leads are the reason I got the virus, exactly what I was expecting so I'm pleased with that.
Pads are lush and fat, a few presets oddly seemed like direct replicas from Nexus. I think they had the same exact names too which was funny.

Now, the programming.
The interface is really wonderful, laid out extremely simple and believe it or not I feel more comfortable with the virus interface then when I first started messing around with z3ta. Or maybe its just a learning curve because z3ta was the first real syth I learned to program.
Whatever the case, I do not feel programming is gonna be an issue at all, the TI interface makes it too familiar when you're already use to software, so its really great. I just didnt feel intimidated by it at all, which I was expecting to feel, so I'm happy about that too.

I still have to say the fxs are something completely new to me. There is fx the virus has that I have NO CLUE what they do, I basically made a simple saw/square bass, and started routing it through all sorts of different fx, its AMAZING by just using the fx alone, how many different sonic variations you can get. The fxs are currently what I'm reading about now, cause its the only thing that really seems new to me.
The only 2 problems I need to solve are everytime FL loops back to the begining of a new bar, theres a very slight delay that you can here when the bar loops. This never happened with my xio so Im not sure what it is.
Then the other problem is the delay compensation, which I can work around but I still need the update of FL 9 to work on my PC before I really fix that.
So far though I'm more please then I expected to be. I can't see ever needing another piece of kit, maybe a small analog synth down the road, but right now its the farthest thing from my mind. Virus really sounds just outright beautiful and inspiring.

So far thats my take on it, and I read a lot of issues with people getting the virus to fit into a mix, I'm not seeing how thats a problem at all. Thats what equalizers were made for imo, and I have not noticed an issue yet at least. Ok back to playing.. soon I'll be getting up demos, just not for a few more days till I get a better feel for everything..

Ok let me take back what I said.

I'm actually rather dissappointed in the TI performance at this point I'm seriously considering a refund.


The virus is great, its the software that fvckn sucks. Because so much of the overall functionality relies on the software, its making the virus a bitch to work with.

The "out of sync" problem is ridiculous. Every single patch I play, no matter what, 3-4 seconds after EVERY patch plays it falls out of sync and you have to stop and start over, it makes it virtually impossible to get anything done, you cant even play a one bar lead line without the last half of the bar going into complete disarray. Its a mess.

The software is EXTREMELY buggy. And this actually seems like a norm with a lot of people if you visit the infekted forums. Everyone seems to be in some fantasy world over there where they keep hoping the next update is going to fix it, but if you look closely NONE of the past updates have done shit about it, so wtf, why even keep the virus?

Its pretty funny that I had less bs to deal with using my crappy xiosynth. I have no idea whats going on, or if the general state of my computer is causing this, but I'm not sure what to do. What pisses me off is everytime I start FL, the virus seems to randomly choose when it wants to be found. Sometimes the vst can't find hardware, but its plugged in like just before, and other times if finds it. Sometimes it finds the virus but now it wont find my midi controller. This is a mess, my midi controller is not even working right. I'm gonna dedicate this first week to seeing how many of these bugs I can fix, but come next week if its still acting like this by by virus.
Theres no point of having great sounds if the integration works at 25% capacity. Stephen are you having problems like this?

LOL

in b4 "i told you so"

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox

How badly out of sync is it? A few ms?

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Ok let me take back what I said. I'm actually rather dissappointed in the TI performance at this point I'm seriously considering a refund. The virus is great, its the software that fvckn sucks. Because so much of the overall functionality relies on the software, its making the virus a bitch to work with. The "out of sync" problem is ridiculous. Every single patch I play, no matter what, 3-4 seconds after EVERY patch plays it falls out of sync and you have to stop and start over, it makes it virtually impossible to get anything done, you cant even play a one bar lead line without the last half of the bar going into complete disarray. Its a mess. The software is EXTREMELY buggy. And this actually seems like a norm with a lot of people if you visit the infekted forums. Everyone seems to be in some fantasy world over there where they keep hoping the next update is going to fix it, but if you look closely NONE of the past updates have done shit about it, so wtf, why even keep the virus? Its pretty funny that I had less bs to deal with using my crappy xiosynth. I have no idea whats going on, or if the general state of my computer is causing this, but I'm not sure what to do. What pisses me off is everytime I start FL, the virus seems to randomly choose when it wants to be found. Sometimes the vst can't find hardware, but its plugged in like just before, and other times if finds it. Sometimes it finds the virus but now it wont find my midi controller. This is a mess, my midi controller is not even working right. I'm gonna dedicate this first week to seeing how many of these bugs I can fix, but come next week if its still acting like this by by virus. Theres no point of having great sounds if the integration works at 25% capacity. Stephen are you having problems like this?

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I've had the "out of sync" problem a few times, but basically all I have to do is stop and start the track once or twice and it goes away. It usually happens when I stop and start the track real fast. Just let the CPU meters calm down a bit, and its fine. Its uncommon at best.

Also, DO NOT plug the TI into a USB Hub. Access is very specific about this.

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Originally posted by Eric J I've had the "out of sync" problem a few times, but basically all I have to do is stop and start the track once or twice and it goes away. It usually happens when I stop and start the track real fast. Just let the CPU meters calm down a bit, and its fine. Its uncommon at best.

I've only had the sync problem when using the Virus' arps and, like Eric, I tend to get it when I start/stop in quick succession and, particulalry, when I start in the middle of an arp sequence, rather than at the beginning (i.e., on a trigger note).

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I have no idea whats going on

You found the problem.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles How badly out of sync is it? A few ms?

It varies.
For instance, if I play a 2 bar arp (any arp) it goes out of sync usually half way through the bar, the first time its small (like 10-15ms) but it happens faster and faster and the timing becomes more and more off it seems.
Like 3/4 bar it'll be 30-35ms then it happens quicker and quicker and gets worse and worse out of sync till I restart.

Its not seldom though, happens on every arp around half way through the bar, then on pads a bit later but it happens w/out fault everytime.

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Originally posted by Eric J I've had the "out of sync" problem a few times, but basically all I have to do is stop and start the track once or twice and it goes away. It usually happens when I stop and start the track real fast. Just let the CPU meters calm down a bit, and its fine. Its uncommon at best. Also, DO NOT plug the TI into a USB Hub. Access is very specific about this.

Nope its in a USB 2.0 port, some people were saying the 1.1 ports can cause it but I checked and they're all high speed. And its not a hub, my hubs are in the front of the computer.

I can start/stop the track indefinitely and it happens same as before everytime.
I read first to switch to asio, when I did that it DID help because originally arps were playing out of sync on the first beat. Switching to asio just pushed it back to half bar.

I also read if you drop the time signature it may help, tried 6 different sigs none changed anything.
The ONE thing that did work, was when I use the Virus Asio Driver, and you can see it plays completely in sync, but no volume comes out of my speakers. You can see the sound in the meters but you cant hear it. Is there a way to use the Virus Asio Driver so sound comes out? Thats the last thing I googled but couldnt find..

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Originally posted by cryophonik I've only had the sync problem when using the Virus' arps and, like Eric, I tend to get it when I start/stop in quick succession and, particulalry, when I start in the middle of an arp sequence, rather than at the beginning (i.e., on a trigger note).

Yeh hmm doesn't seem to matter with mine.

Because there was a of times I was going back and forth reading tuts as it was happening, and the second I restared the arps it happened at the same frequency everytime.

Its annoying because thats the LAST thing I need to fix, but still the most important to me. PDC in FL worked fine so everything is on time (never had to use it before) but one it goes out of sync it doesnt matter anymore cause its a mess.

you DO know that there's a really big latency issue with TIs and FL right?

you need to set plugin-delay-compensation manually with FL, cause most other DAWs do it automatically...

if you set that, you should be right

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Originally posted by EgosXII you DO know that there's a really big latency issue with TIs and FL right? you need to set plugin-delay-compensation manually with FL, cause most other DAWs do it automatically... if you set that, you should be right

Yep thank you I have the PDC fixed, that went as easy as it could have.

The problem I'm talking about is the virus playing out of sync, not the PDC. It will all play completely in sync (because of PDC) at first, but the TI (not sure if you have one) displays a red "out of sync warning" on the bottom.
And when that happens, theres no way to compensate because it gets more and more out of control as the patch plays.

I've tried a ton of different settings, and I'm thinking it has to be USB related (maybe I have to assign more bandwith to that port?) but I'm not sure what to do, and how exactly to do it. I'm learning more as I read but its def a huge sticking point now cause nothing has seemed to rectificy it (so far).

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Ok let me take back what I said. I'm actually rather dissappointed in the TI performance at this point I'm seriously considering a refund.

lol

Wow ok I "accidentally" found something that works, I'm just not sure what I'm doing so can someone explain if its gonna affect anything?

I was still interested in experimenting with the "Virus USB ASIO Driver" but was getting no sound, although everything was playing in sync.

So when I looked at the mixer it said the sound was being routed out of the virus, I was confused at first, but then put the headphones on my virus and walah, my entire mix is now being routed through the virus.

So using it this way, it plays complete in sync, but what the hell am I doing? Am I now using the virus sound card by doing that? And what I'm most concerned about, can this stress the virus? By routing the whole mix through it.
I didn't read a single anything that mentioned doing this, came upon it my accident but it works. I just wanna make sure I'm not harming anything.. thanks

HAHA this is awesome everything works fvcking great now!!!

Ok so I won't be getting a refund now. I can't even force the virus out of sync no matter how big the patch, whether its an arp, pad or anything.

So that completely solved the problem 100%. My previous question still flies though, just wanna make sure I'm not hurting my virus =].. if anyones knows thanks

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