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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Both sexual orientations are natural for human beings. Is it not extremely fucking obvious by the evidence that gay people, you know, exist? I am well the fuck aware that the point you are trying to establish is that man+women=children is the "natural" way of things, and indeed, you are not wrong in this, as it is the practice most humans endeavor on. But just where is your evidence to suggest that homosexuality is unnatural? It has already been established in this thread that all range of other animals practice it as well - do you think they were corrupted by liberal society as well?

animals don't need to actually think about the social consequences of every deviation. nature does that for them. that's why occurring deviations are being dealt with automatically. humans, on the other hand, have been liberate-minded enough to decide to vaporize each other with nuclear weapons and concentration camps and then go "ooooops. must've been doing something wrong...".

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Where does "natural" end for you and "unnatural" begin though? Can you answer that? Can anyone answer that? It seems to me that people base this off of what their gut tells them, and that's typically just a reflection of what mom or dad taught them. But fucking truly - what reason do you have to object to the happiness of others, much less the equal recognition by government amongst citizens?

homosexuality is a deviation in sexuality. i don't object to homo's fucking and marrying. i just don't won't them to artificially increase the deviation percentage and what results as though there is nothing deviant about it. cancer is natural too, you know. but if we all where to have cancer at 20, where would we be?

you're basically saying this: all events in nature, however rare, are natural. hence, if we multiply and amplify the rarest forms, we would not cause harm.

well you see, just like i said, we should thank an open- and liberal-minded human being not only for the cure against a bunch of diseases and cable TV, but also for the generous nuclear stock, the Holocaust and other such great achievements.

liberty has two sides: the one where you proclaim equality among race and ethnicity, and the other where you grant yourself enough liberty to violate these same right, which yesterday you proclaimed as basic and unalienable

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On It's very reminiscent of fights that have already been fought - particularly those over skin colour or ethnicity

skin and ethnicity is a different catagory

but you know, if you really keep asking me to prove the limits of deviation, and go as far as saying there is no such thing as deviation (it's all in our minds) then i wave the white flag for i find it impossible to prove all at once with great certainty. i think the argument is over for me, whatever the score.

IMHO

from what I've gathered in this thread, the general idea to all liberties is that since we cannot prove the limits of deviation or even whether "deviation"/"normal" exists at all (since this is a category created by man), we are not entitled (read: it is wrong/it is bad) to prohibit anything on the grounds of our beliefs that it is somehow deviant from "normal". right?

however, since the categories "right/wrong" and "good/bad" are even MORE abstract and intangible when compared to "deviant/normal", can we really say that, for instance, homophobia or racism is bad? is homophobia bad? is it wrong? why is liberty the right thing?

what is right? what is good? what is bad? what is wrong? what's cookin', doc?

i have learned not to trust arguments for solving big life-size issues. why are we arguing? because someone is able to prove 100% his point and enlighten us with the unconditional truth of life? i doubt it. i PERSONALLY believe that it is impossible to discover the unconditional and objective truth just by arguing.

"I know that I know nothing" is the only thought i have really learned to trust. and it has never let me down

so let me stick to my opinion, while you stick to a variety of yours, and let there be more chop- threads on this forum!
plur!

Good for you for taking a step back and thinking about what is being said. Understanding and communicating in a civil manner is a step in the right direction. It's important to put yourself in another person's shoes to get their perspective of the whole picture, which we are all a part of, which is what we all call Life.

amen.

hey, shouldn't that concern everyone?

lol

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Originally posted by boris_the_bear amen. hey, shouldn't that concern everyone?

Haha, yes.

fuck all gays. and stu.

actually i was meant to type "and stren." but stu needed his deep dicking more than strenski.

so to summarize, fuck the gays. they need their daily dick and neither this dick

nor this dick

doesn't supply the ample amount of dick like this dick.


but all of this doesn't mean dick.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I am well the fuck aware that the point you are trying to establish is that man+women=children is the "natural" way of things, and indeed, you are not wrong in this, as it is the practice most humans endeavor on. But just where is your evidence to suggest that homosexuality is unnatural? It has already been established in this thread that all range of other animals practice it as well - do you think they were corrupted by liberal society as well?

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man+women=children is the "natural" way of things

Hypothetically, if humans were inherently gay I do not think we would've survived and become the dominate animal on this planet.
However since the vast majority of humans are straight there is no problem with gays, since there are more than enough to continue our species.

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Originally posted by boris_the_bear woah.. hold your horses. i said homosexuality is not normal. i didn't say homosexuals are generally inferior or should be treated accordingly. for instance, if we have a bunch of sheep, then a white sheep would be a normal (usual) sheep and a grey/black/striped sheep would be not normal (striped sheep would be awesome actually). now all sheep are divided into those wearing a normal color and those wearing an unusual (not normal) color. where does it say that those unusually colored are inferior? same flesh, same bones, same fur.

Oh so not being normal doesn't mean inferior...even though you JUST said in the previous post that gays shouldn't have children, and that gays shouldn't use the word "family" because somehow two males or two female raising children is not parallel to two heteros raising children. Oh my bad I guess that makes them SUPERIOR.

Fuckin idiotic hypocrite. You know that you are using the term "not normal" to encompass all your biases regarding homosexuality as inferior. Your parents should have just thrown you in the garbage after you hatched out of your mom's ass.

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Originally posted by Arbiter I can't support marriage for homosexuals, seeing as I don't support marraige for heterosexuals.

This argument is logically sound.

jake, do you put ketchup in the fridge?

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Originally posted by Schadenfreude jake, do you put ketchup in the fridge?

Yes but only because that's where it was when I found it.

sorry you should be exterminated.

gays i'm fine with, buy you people live in a godless world of cold ketchup and broken promises.

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Originally posted by Ania_xox We are all entitled to our own beliefs, no? If your beliefs differ from mine - that's cool. You believe in reincarnation and I don't? I am against abortion and you are pro-choice? You think of the Quran as holy scripture and I rarely go to church anymore? I am gay and you think homosexuality is unnatural? That's cool. I'm sure we can still be friends despite our differences.

Ania_xox, I can totally respect different OPINIONS. But when people start VOTING against gay marriage and put other barriers into law, that becomes discrimination. And no, I'm not fucking cool with discrimination. So if someone tells me they are against gay marriage, I'm going to assume they're voting against it with the other 52-60% of the population unless they tell me otherwise. In fact, if someone told me they are homophobic and can't stand homosexuals but voted to expand all civil rights to homosexuals when it came to voting (essentially separating their bias from their actions) then I would respect them 100%.

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Originally posted by Schadenfreude sorry you should be exterminated. gays i'm fine with, buy you people live in a godless world of cold ketchup and broken promises.

Well, you are the experts at extermination. I mean I may put ketchup in the fridge. But you put Jews in the oven. How absurd.

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Originally posted by ivofivo Never liked gays...don't understand their tendencies. Not a personal preference really, just how they make me feel. Was on an airplane next to 2 gays, I felt uncomfortable and violated when they looked at me.

You should feel violated when they looked at you. It's because they gave you AIDS with their eyes. They smiled with their AIDS...smAIDS. You now have AIDS. You should definitely be against homosexuals now.

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Originally posted by montana fuck all gays. and stu.

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Originally posted by montana actually i was meant to type "and stren." but stu needed his deep dicking more than strenski.

Haha, what the hell?

just lulz stu, i have nothing but love for you. but i do want to titfuck you like there was no tomorros.

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Originally posted by montana just lulz stu, i have nothing but love for you. but i do want to titfuck you like there was no tomorros.

Call me

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Oh so not being normal doesn't mean inferior...even though you JUST said in the previous post that gays shouldn't have children, and that gays shouldn't use the word "family" because somehow two males or two female raising children is not parallel to two heteros raising children. Oh my bad I guess that makes them SUPERIOR.

your logics are a marvel. i believe it has nothing to do with you being gay though. apparently your parents shouldn't have mistreated you when you were a kid. sue them for raising a retard

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Originally posted by boris_the_bear sue them for raising a retard

What should we do about yours then?

The PPD section was created so we wouldn't have to listen to you gimps argue to prove how dumb you really are.

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Originally posted by boris_the_bear your logics are a marvel. i believe it has nothing to do with you being gay though. apparently your parents shouldn't have mistreated you when you were a kid. sue them for raising a retard

Some of us like to think we're not so old fashioned and cretinous as to adhere to gender roles to the point where we will fight to discriminate against minorities.

I'll assume that you're straight... you have heterosexual feelings that are undeniable.. if I were to put it to you that you have to sleep with a member of your own sex, you would find that notion abhorrent for the mere fact that it's not the ideal picture of sexuality for you. That's precisely what it feels like for people who are gay. They are attracted to members of the same sex, and find the wider community's assertions that they have to conform and sleep with members of the opposite sex abhorrent, because their sexuality dictates it to them.

I'll bet that somewhere in your sexuality there's a quirk.. be it tiny or huge, I don't know.. but it's deep inside any sexual fantasy that you may have had for some time, and it's that one little thing that drives you wild. Try and ignore it... it's a very difficult thing to do to live against a major driving force in your life, and sexuality is one of the largest driving forces that human beings possess.

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