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Originally posted by Lira This is what I can't understand. Why can't this core ideal change despite the facts mentioned thus far? Is there any reason why this needs to be inevitably so?

You could say that. But it's my personal belief that it shouldn't change. I don't see what's so hard to understand?

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Originally posted by Lews Yeah, well, like I said, you're a bigot.

Good for you. Doesn't bother me.

Yeah, but does it bother you that you're stupid?

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Originally posted by R.j. You could say that. But it's my personal belief that it shouldn't change. I don't see what's so hard to understand?

That still doesn't answer his question at all.

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Originally posted by jennypie Yeah, but does it bother you that you're stupid?

Does it bother you that you make poor assumptions?

I am for same sex marriage, but I do think that what happened with how prop 8 was reversed is a little disturbing. I don't yet understand why a judge can overturn an issue that was clearly voted on by a majority. I'm sure there's more to it than I'm aware of though.

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Originally posted by Lews That still doesn't answer his question at all.

It does. Because all I have been doing is stating my personal belief. I've never said or asserted anything beyond it.

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Originally posted by WittyHandle I am for same sex marriage, but I do think that what happened with how prop 8 was reversed is a little disturbing. I don't yet understand why a judge can overturn an issue that was clearly voted on by a majority. I'm sure there's more to it than I'm aware of though.

It doesn't matter if something is voted for by a majority if it is unconstitutional or unjust.

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Originally posted by R.j. You could say that. But it's my personal belief that it shouldn't change. I don't see what's so hard to understand?

Because beliefs don't usually come from nothing... but it's okay, I don't think this discussion can be developed any further

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Originally posted by R.j. It does. Because all I have been doing is stating my personal belief. I've never said or asserted anything beyond it.

No, it doesn't. He asked you why you believe marriage has to be between a man and a woman and you keep replying because it has to. That isn't a response, that's just a circle.

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Originally posted by Lira Because beliefs don't usually come from nothing... but it's okay, I don't think this discussion can be developed any further

Arguing with bigots rarely does.

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Originally posted by Lews No, it doesn't. He asked you why you believe marriage has to be between a man and a woman and you keep replying because it has to. That isn't a response, that's just a circle.

Right. Because I've already answered it earlier. If you reaaaaally want me to dig deeper, it's because that's the way I view marriage, because that's the way I feel it ought to be. Why is that so difficult to understand without me saying it?

Why are you guys wasting your time with him?

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Originally posted by Lira Because beliefs don't usually come from nothing... but it's okay, I don't think this discussion can be developed any further

All right.

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Originally posted by R.j. Right. Because I've already answered it earlier. If you reaaaaally want me to dig deeper, it's because that's the way I view marriage, because that's the way I feel it ought to be. Why is that so difficult to understand without me saying it?

Why do you believe that though? Where/how did you learn it? What within your worldview contributed to your beliefs?

If you can't answer those questions pretty easily, then I was right - you haven't/don't critically think about your beliefs values and therefore, are a drone.

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Originally posted by idoru Why are you guys wasting your time with him?

Because I'm an optimist who believes that at heart everyone is much kinder and smarter than they appear to be and that with just the right amount of logic they can see the error of their ways.

Yeah, I don't know why I believe that

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Originally posted by jennypie Why do you believe that though? Where did you learn it? What within your worldview contributed to your beliefs? If you can't answer those questions pretty easily, then I was right - you haven't/don't critically think about your beliefs values and therefore, are a drone.

I think the fact that I've ALREADY stated that I don't feel particularly happy about my beliefs, that I recognize that it is, on some level, harsh to believe in what I believe indicates some critical thought, no?

No, it doesn't. Lol. You seriously cannot answer those questions???? Wow.

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Originally posted by R.j. I think the fact that I've ALREADY stated that I don't feel particularly happy about my beliefs...

Alright, I'm only going to say this. If you don't feel that your beliefs make you "happy", then why hold onto them?

Because he can't explain why he does in the first place.

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Originally posted by R.j. I think the fact that I've ALREADY stated that I don't feel particularly happy about my beliefs, that I recognize that it is, on some level, harsh to believe in what I believe indicates some critical thought, no?

You know you are allowed to change your beliefs, right?

Give him time, he might figure it out.

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Originally posted by jennypie No, it doesn't. Lol. You seriously cannot answer those questions???? Wow.

So I've been brought up with the idea that, one day, I'm going to marry a woman with whom I'm going to share the rest of my life....

I mean, what MORE do you need to know?

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Originally posted by Lews You know you are allowed to change your beliefs, right?

Yes.

That's it? You really believe something so strongly based on so little information? Don't you see how that makes you a moron?

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