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I can't believe this question is even being asked. Analog is but the purest of sounds. Its the building block of every other synth sound in the universe. It all started there. You can't have one w/ out the other. When's the obsession with Massive going to stop?

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Originally posted by inversoundzzz but..it can....

For god's sake, buy a shovel and bury the fucking thing will you.

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Originally posted by inversoundzzz but..it can....and does.....it's called noise....completely random generated outcomes.....computers can generate completely random outcomes..... this make the sampling/(waveform generating) a completely continuous uninterrupted process

In terms of things such as outboard dynamics there's a whole world of information digital cannot possibly capture. A fairly mid range real compressor is packed full of capacitors and other components each of which could be in a trillion different states relative to one another.

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Originally posted by Teezdalien For god's sake, buy a shovel and bury the fucking thing will you.

lmao... i know....i ve only been on this for the last 2 days or so....debating with the analog people...and yea ive realsized there is really no debate...they are like fundamental christians...whereas I am the word of logic and reason....tehy d just as soon burn us at the stake.

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Originally posted by inversoundzzz lmao... i know....i ve only been on this for the last 2 days or so....debating with the analog people...and yea ive realsized there is really no debate...they are like fundamental christians...whereas I am the word of logic and reason....tehy d just as soon burn us at the stake.

you're still confoosed bringing up digital audio recording examples, while that's not being discussed AT ALL.

The discussion is about plugins <> real synths / outboard.
All your googled knowledge has nothing to do with that discussion
so either your brain has not developed to the same level like everyone else here, or you are just extremely ignorant. Either way your discussion and arguments make no sense AT ALL to everyone else here.

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Originally posted by inversoundzzz lmao... i know....i ve only been on this for the last 2 days or so....debating with the analog people...and yea ive realsized there is really no debate...they are like fundamental christians...whereas I am the word of logic and reason....tehy d just as soon burn us at the stake.

Of course we can make decent tracks in the digital realm, this is not in dispute, but in the final analysis I personally find analogue to have a more pleasing rounded quality, even though I'm 95% ITB these days.

I think a great place to really hear the difference is in the realm of techno where some of those kick / bass combinations done in analogue are just the pinnacle of sonic goodness. You can really hear this by A/B ing and using headphones.

I'm not saying we must all strive to go analogue, of course not, digital is perfectly capable of getting a result listeners can engage with.

I have yet to find a perfect unadulterated sub / sine wave in digital once you start processing that sub with software dynamics - I can always hear aliasing and odd noises.

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[i][b] I have yet to find a perfect unadulterated sub / sine wave in digital once you start processing that sub with software dynamics - I can always hear aliasing and odd noises.

thats what dithering is for.....

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Originally posted by inversoundzzz thats what dithering is for.....

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Originally posted by inversoundzzz lmao... i know....i ve only been on this for the last 2 days or so....debating with the analog people...and yea ive realsized there is really no debate...they are like fundamental christians...whereas I am the word of logic and reason....tehy d just as soon burn us at the stake.

Logic and reason need a founding in fact.

Your arguments are usually based on your own ignorance and appear to sourced on detailed study of articles in Computer Music magazine.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if it's analog or digital if your song sucks to begin with.

But if you've created something decent, it might.

When will the obsession with debating "analog vs. digital" stop?

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred But if you've created something decent, it might.

It might, or it might not.

I'm really tired of the endless gear debates. Just use what you know and be happy.

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Originally posted by cryophonik When will the obsession with debating "analog vs. digital" stop?

when theres no more money to be made out of it

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Originally posted by Robotrance nice vid, proves a few things really. and the fact that djryan is one of the convinced analog purist makes it just as laughable as any other religion. i never though TA would become as narrow minded as gearslutz. ive said it now 10 times, the only thing about analog is noise and distortion which can very well be made in the digital domain as well, you just have to try. finally; we all play it back digitally through are computers anyway so any "magic" in the analog domain that digital cannot "capture" (i cant believe i even say it lol), will be lost even if you use analog synthesizers. you are all a bunch of fanboys and religios idiots. your ghosts doesnt exists. the world is flat and all that. if you make better music using analog equipment then thats just good presets, inspiration, better user interfaces, and the fact that you probably like distortion. nope it matters how much money and time your wasted making that sucky thing. digital is better (cheaper/faster - same result). only correct answer, this is a marketing thing and nothing more. the fact that bob moog says analog is magic isnt all that strange. he fucking sell the things (well did, rest in pieces). i have respect for old technology but sometimes dwelling bout this old things is obstructing development for something better - 32bit wav and monitors as standard. when obsessions with God or gods or Allah stops, in other word when humanity dies. its absolutely not. tons of noise and distortion. however we only have X and Y for electrical signals. the last dimension Z is time. its not that fucking magic. no we are actually discussing analog electrical signals converted to bits and bytes. the discussion regarding the synths have been closed pages ago that soft synths can generate the exact same things as hardware synths, however the distortion in the electrical domain is the only difference, which also can be added in the digital domain by using distortion plugs. no problem.

nope

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Originally posted by Robotrance yes because i say so. its of no use to argue with religious people, it never has. you are muslims, im buddhist.

Well, that explains it.

On a relevant note:

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred I challenge you to record the same track I've recorded analog, using VSTs or Digital. I guarantee you that it will never sound the same, let alone similar.

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Originally posted by Robotrance i could challenge you to make anything close to what ive made too using analog gear

That's not what we're discussing.

If you want to recreate the sound of early-mid 90's analog techno/acid, for instance, you can only do so by using the same analog gear they used. You will never be able to achieve that sound with digital/vsts, no matter how much compression you use or how much time you spend.

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Originally posted by Robotrance maybe but that has nothing to do with the fact that their output is analog electrical signals.

Nobody is discussing output.

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i bet if you asked these engineers how frustrating it was to work with analog unpredictable distorting circuits you would have a different mind.

Different mind about what? The fact that they sound different?

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it just happened to be analog at that time when product engineering was at peak time quality and innovation. digital music will have its wave too.

I never said digital is bad. It's different.

I dunno about any of that, but isn't that like saying you can recreate the exact sound of analog using vsts/digital?

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred nope

lmao......typical cognitive dissonance...look, I for one am not even saying digital is better than analaog/....it really is but...all I m saying is it's equal in terms of sound quality......maybe back even 5 years ago, it wasnt....but not taday.....our technology is way too advanced

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Originally posted by inversoundzzz lmao......typical cognitive dissonance...look, I for one am not even saying digital is better than analaog/....it really is but...all I m saying is it's equal in terms of sound quality......maybe back even 5 years ago, it wasnt....but not taday.....our technology is way too advanced

You are like that guy that plays Grand turismo on the PS3 and then goes to the Porsche forums, telling everyone the new 911 drives like shit...... You know how dumb you sound flogging other peoples opinions on stuff you clearly don't comprehend, neither have experience with?

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Originally posted by Robotrance the same thing will happen in the digital domain, someone clever doing something not originally intended creating an amazing new wave of creating sounds.

This is an interesting concept.

I like your progressive thinking and your capacity to envision things.

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Originally posted by TranceElevation This is an interesting concept. I like your progressive thinking and your capacity to envision things.

yeah, but then again, that happens in every domain, analogue or digital

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Originally posted by Raphie You are like that guy that plays Grand turismo on the PS3 and then goes to the Porsche forums, telling everyone the new 911 drives like shit...... You know how dumb you sound flogging other peoples opinions on stuff you clearly don't comprehend, neither have experience with?

You tell em raph..

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Originally posted by Robotrance ...before the digital revolution will kill the entire analog market.

I think the only reason most companies are not making analog anymore is because it's much more costly than making digital, and there's much less profit to be made.

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...it will be the dead on hardware. ...it would be the end of all other synths.

Is that why analog synths and analog drum machines are more costly and more in demand than ever before?

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