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Why do always countries with severe drug-transit issues have the most beautiful women? I once saw a chick from Honduras at a party in 2007. Never got over it. Extremely beautiful.

FAO: Brazilians | MESSAGE: Stop being so fucking poor. Fags!

Re: FAO: Drug Users | MESSAGE: Please boycott foreign drugs or overdose already. Thanks!

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Originally posted by Lira As the regular posters here probably know, there are very few topics I take seriously but, when I do, I usually bomb the screen with walls of text, sources, and html codes. Also, I'm far from being an intolerant person, having argued for the liberty of all kinds of nutters. In this thread, I want to try a somewhat different approach: because of the consequences involved in this kind of activity, it'd be downright immoral to be tolerant. And I want to make it brief. It doesn't matter right now if the war on drugs is misguided or wrong. It exists and, as far as we're all concerned, it must either be repelled through legal action or obeyed. If you really need drugs and want to find a moral loophole, make sure you can either manipulate the necessary substances/plants and make your own narcotics, or buy homegrown if you absolutely know no other crimes are being committed. However, if you buy drugs of unknown origin, I'd like to politely ask you to stop it. Otherwise, if you really need drugs, please overdose. You may live in comfortable communities where your actions have little if any impact, but the drugs may well have come from some other place. And you're very likely responsible in a way or another for drug-related crime in Mexico: do you really think the routes reaching the borders are a coincidence? As someone who lives in a developing country, I can assure you that we do not have the means to revert this situation. Poverty is tough enough a problem for us to tackle, and it's already a good source of problems and criminality. If you sponsor these criminals through the acquisitions of the goods they sell, you're only making it harder for us to solve this problem. I've had loved ones kidnapped by drug pushers looking for money, and they have become all too powerful due to their profitable activities. I'm doing all I can to raise awareness where I live because the situation here is not much better than what's going on in Mexico. However, the world is now flatter than ever, and this is probably a hopeless attempt to do something abroad. But, I'm trying, and I beg you: if you want to do drugs, do the right thing - either do it responsibly or just end yourself because no upstanding citizen deserves to pay for your mindless actions CORe version: If you do drugs, please see the traffic routes in the map above. Other people may be dying so you can get high and, if that's the case, I warmly ask you to end yourself before you do any further damage. Oh, and I fucking hate you for that

As a former heroin addict thanks for wisĥing me dead. To bad it doesn't work that way though. Big monied people smuggle drugs and don't give a shit for you or me. They're the people who lobby hard for prohibition so blaming addicts isn't solving one fucking thing except making room for new addicts and poverty is here too. I'm writing this from a homeless shelter in Ohio where 65 people every night are turned out to the cold because we're at maximum capacity. You want someone to blame? Blame the.people who lobby governments to perpetuate this biggest crime of history.

I understand your point, Cheif, and I know I wasn't exactly polite in my original post. I apologise for offending you. I needed, however, the shock value, because I believe this message is very important, and this has got to be one of the most popular threads I've ever posted (despite the fact the shock value seems to have created quite a backlash).

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Originally posted by rdevito

Oh, but I do agree with you on that as well. The reason why I didn't mention education is because that's a problem we need to sort out ourselves. It's appalling how low education levels can be here in Brazil, to the point we need to import qualified workers (such as enginers).

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney this is sharing similar territory as porn and prostitution. Except asking an addict to stop taking drugs is rather funny. Of all the reasons to get clean, pretty sure that isn't going to be the one.

But I'm not saying that. If I were to mention prostitution, it would be something like "please refrain from paying for sex with women forced into prostitution by coercive means", such as foreign women who are smuggled into an unknown country where they can't easily escape (although this can happen in their own country as well).

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Originally posted by Lira If I were to mention prostitution, it would be something like "please refrain from paying for sex with women forced into prostitution by coercive means", such as foreign women who are smuggled into an unknown country where they can't easily escape (although this can happen in their own country as well).

An interesting segue. Because not only is the "how do you know the origins of the product?" point rather valid, but the slave/sex trade is a pervasive export of countries that provide extremely low opportunities and education for women. Marcus, start changing the laws of your country right away, so that you can end this horrible thing that is happening!

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On An interesting segue. Because not only is the "how do you know the origins of the product?" point rather valid, but the slave/sex trade is a pervasive export of countries that provide extremely low opportunities and education for women.

I'm not sure I follow you...

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Marcus, start changing the laws of your country right away, so that you can end this horrible thing that is happening!

But I'm for the legalisation of prostitution here (which would let the government supervise how the market works here more efficiently).

I'm proud to say that when I was living in Canada, every drug I took was not imported but from there. I respect your views Lira, and some things make a lot of sense, but most of it is a pipe dream at best. It shows that you have had a brush-up with the drug element in regards to your fiance with the voracity of your posts which is out of character with how you usually carry yourself around here. I don't think you will, because you most likely would have by now, but it would be interesting to hear a brief explanation of exactly what happened.

Also: what about prescription drugs? There are tons made in Mexico to cut costs. These drugs are peddled illegally by the same people selling the drugs that you admonish. Prescription medication addiction is a bigger problem than cocaine and heroin.

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay Don't get used to it.

Napalm sticks to little children, but i'll still buy it.

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Originally posted by Lira I'm not sure I follow you...

Prostitution is by and large an unregulated black market that deals in sexual slavery the world over. It hurts millions of women, and most of them are victims not only of the practice and its physical dangers and indentured nature, but of the societies that gave them so little options and education to lead different lives.

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But I'm for the legalisation of prostitution here (which would let the government supervise how the market works here more efficiently).

And many people are for the legalization of illicit substances in their own countries. That doesn't mean that the morally self-righteous don't get their say when they fail to admit that it is a complex issue bereft of black and white attributes.

I used to buy pot from this really grubby fellow who holed up in a tiny bedroom of his mother's house. She had Alzheimer's, and her husband had died, so when she couldn't keep a job, she kept her son close, who could afford to pay the mortgage along with her disability check so they could keep their home. It was small, but the downstairs was well kept and curtained. She had another son, but he was imprisoned for manslaughter, so some help he was! This guy couldn't get a steady job because of his own criminal past, but he was perfectly content to peddle weed to take care of him and his mother. His pot smelt of blueberries - and sometimes even bubblegum! - but it wasn't quality enough that you'd believe it was local hydro, and he sure as fuck didn't grow it himself, so where did he get it? Well fuck, you don't ask that sort of thing unless you're a cop, so you make with the cash and go home.

Is this the sort of thing I am to be sorry about? Because the many, many hands that move a product one way each have a story to tell, and so very few of them have a thing to do with kidnapping or decapitation any more than you have to do with the abuse at Foxconn.

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay I'm proud to say that when I was living in Canada, every drug I took was not imported but from there.

Ah yes, the Yukon Coca. Elusive, but hardy.

haven't done coke in quite a long time.

Lira, don't try and claim you are not acting high and mighty when you start a discussion with this kind of post:

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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what happens when you use drugs before they're legalised. You fucking sponsor these criminal ****s!

Judgemental and patronising at the same time.

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Originally posted by Lira There are whole armies funded by drug trafficking, so powerful that they often outgun our police forces (as rdevito mentioned in the other thread). I've yet to see a Coca-cola armie, an iron mining gang, or a criminal Adidas syndicate.

As has been said, your arguments are naive at best and fantastical at worst. It is very clear that us boycotting drugs for the reasons you have given is going to make no practical difference to the problem whatsoever. As such, any boycotting would be purely a moral objection, a gesture made more to make us feel better than to have any real world impact. This is why it makes no logical sense to say boycotting drugs is more important than boycotting Coca Cola or Adidas because the scale of the latter's crimes are less significant. Public objection to major corporations may actually make some small difference, because corporations at least care about their public image and will make at least token gestures at self-improvement in the face of intense public criticism, whereas drug cartels in Mexico could not give a fuck.

That's just horrible. Telling addicts basically to just go die. I'm lucky that I'm no addict and never have been, but I know people who have, and it usually has a root cause (abuse, poverty, depression or other undiagnosed illness) that is out of the control of the addict.

FFS, they are human beings. I agree with the War on drugs being retarded, but you are really pissed at the wrong people, here. If we treated addicts for underlying causes instead of like criminals (or like disposable garbage), we might actually improve the situation.

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Originally posted by Lira However, if you buy drugs of unknown origin, I'd like to politely ask you to stop it. Otherwise, if you really need drugs, please overdose.

*looks at baggie of pills discreetly left on my doorstep every Thursday*
*sudden epiphany that taking them might be bad*

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If you really need drugs and want to find a moral loophole, make sure you can either manipulate the necessary substances/plants and make your own narcotics, or buy homegrown if you absolutely know no other crimes are being committed.

Make drugs myself?! You a wizard? Cause, you gotta tell me if you are.

Hey Carlos, come over here man. Check it, didja know that like instead of you know buying illegal drugs, we could like make 'em ourselves, man. We could make 'em just like they make 'em. With you know, chemistry or something. Science stuff. I know. Blows my mind, too.

And man, I had another epiphany. Did you know that airplanes are just buses with wings?

Re: Re: FAO: Drug Users | MESSAGE: Please boycott foreign drugs or overdose already. Thanks!

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Originally posted by theCheif I'm writing this from a homeless shelter in Ohio where 65 people every night are turned out to the cold because we're at maximum capacity.

Pretty cool that they have internet for you. What are the download speeds like?

sushi, modding the disenfranchised. et tu brute.

that shit is epic. i smack down the homeless all of the time, only because i have a 1 inch penis.

Just to chill out a bit of this discussion and to give you a 'picture' of the drug trafficking here in Brazil (specially Rio), check it out these movies, if you are more interested:

City Of God -> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317248/
City Of Men -> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0870090/
Elite Squad -> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0861739/
Elite Squad: The Enemy Within -> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1555149/

It covers pretty much everything about this polemic topic. Also, they're fucking good movies, incredibly realistic scenes, dialogues and environments. Acted by people from favelas. People who are living this reality.

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Originally posted by Lira I understand your point, Cheif, and I know I wasn't exactly polite in my original post. I apologies for offending you. I needed, however, the shock value, because I believe this message is very important,

You don't offend me one bit. I get your message loud and clear, but your message is a flawed one as other posters have pointed out as well. Your intentions I applaud, but telling people to OD solves nothing. I've ODed several times and am still quite alive here.
You need extra strength offendall to offend me.

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Originally posted by theCheif You don't offend me one bit. I get your message loud and clear, but your message is a flawed one as other posters have pointed out as well. Your intentions I applaud, but telling people to OD solves nothing. I've ODed several times and am still quite alive here. You need extra strength offendall to offend me.

Any data on what LD50 is for Offendall? I've only tried it once or twice but it just pissed me off.






Perhaps I haven't taken enough.

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Originally posted by rdevito Just to chill out a bit of this discussion ... City Of God ->

Lol, uh-oh...

i just had a very disturbing skype chat with a suicidal chinese girl...pretty sure it is one of you.

Good show, gents.

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