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Originally posted by MSZ russel vs cor

This thread was a good read. I just caught up on everything I missed. Jesus Christ.

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Also, if baseball needs that much defending...

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy go ahead and google my sports doc Anthony Galea and check out what type of patients he has.

Steroid users. Everybody knows who he is. No need to look it up.

Since you probably don't know who he is:

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Dr.+James+Andrews

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Originally posted by shaw Steroid users. Everybody knows who he is. No need to look it up. Since you probably don't know who he is: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Dr.+James+Andrews

just want to add, there arent too many athletes that dont do performance enhancing drugs in some way either to rehab from injury, stay healthy or peak perform. Especially with modern medicine when certain drugs can be tailored to do different things with no way of testing for them. Athletes come back in like a quarter of the time it takes an average person to come back from. Sure they have people taking care of them and speeding the process up by continually working on conditioning and have access to some of the greatest doc's in the world, but I'll bet you any money drugs have a HUGE part in that as well. These guys are multi million dollar investments, if you were an owner you'd do whatever it takes to get your star player back earning you cash.

Anyways my point being once again baseball is not a high impact sport where there is a large threat for serious injury. Is there injury? Yes. As much as other sports? no. This is why so many multi sport athletes pick baseball as a second sport, also the fact its alot easier to play.

gerry dee. the racacoons.

can't wait for round two!

http://sushipunk.net/TA%20Stuff/Le%...%20Delights.mp3

this week in baseball.

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Originally posted by shaw Steroid users. Everybody knows who he is. No need to look it up. Since you probably don't know who he is: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Dr.+James+Andrews

cool doc, but how did he make his way into this conversation?

I only brought up my doc because I'm there everyday and I get the privilege of seeing sports stars come in and out all the time. The point I was making was that I never see too many baseball players. I'll see one or two here n there but the amount of NFLers that come through followed by basketball/hockey players is astonishing.

And Dr. Andrews doesn't have too many patients who play cricket. Surprise, surprise.

The only reason Galea has some of those guys from the US is that he distributes illegal drugs to them. Or did you not know about that part of his practice?

If athletes pick baseball to play a second sport because it's easier, then why was Michael Jordan so terrible at baseball?

If it's so easy, and there's the potential to make more money (no salary cap or max salaries) why, pray tell, would those multi sport athletes not choose baseball? Is it because they enjoy getting injured more and paid less?

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Originally posted by srussell0018 If athletes pick baseball to play a second sport because it's easier, then why was Michael Jordan so terrible at baseball? If it's so easy, and there's the potential to make more money (no salary cap or max salaries) why, pray tell, would those multi sport athletes not choose baseball? Is it because they enjoy getting injured more and paid less?

Because it's no longer considered 'cool' by black youth. There have been hundreds of stories about this in the past 5 years. I'm actually on your side on this one, but the inherent difficulty of playing baseball is not the reason it's no longer recruiting all the elite athletes.

By the way, Vivid, your list of examples is hilarious. You rattled off the names of the absolute best athletes of entire generations and used their choices to play baseball (and none of them were successful--hell, Jordan sucked so badly in the minors that the Sox wouldn't even bring him up for the PR) to argue that baseball is easy. OH MY GOD, BO JACKSON, DEION SANDERS AND JIM THORPE WERE ABLE TO KINDA PLAY THAT SPORT LOLOL.

You still cheer for the wrong colored sox

I'll agree that the skill part is undeniably there, but it's the equivalent to any finesse skill in any other sport--you train to do something, you [generally] get better at it, and the talented go further than the less talented. you argue that pitches change wildly and that's true, but whatever pitch is made, the ball is still coming towards you within a *relatively* similar window of space at a *relatively* similar angle (with the batter positioned in a *relatively* similar stance). With the majority of the other sports being discussed, there may not always be such a minute allowance for error, but the conditions are almost never as reoccurring as they would be in a baseball pitching scenario, forcing/requiring a much wider range of motion and applied skill to conquer any given situation. baseball batters/pitchers may possess a high level of finesse, sure, but I feel like other athlete's (not to mention, in almost all positions) aggregate level of finesse trumps them simply for the completely dynamic moments of play.

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Originally posted by psymon.d I'll agree that the skill part is undeniably there, but it's the equivalent to any finesse skill in any other sport--you train to do something, you [generally] get better at it, and the talented go further than the less talented. you argue that pitches change wildly and that's true, but whatever pitch is made, the ball is still coming towards you within a *relatively* similar window of space at a *relatively* similar angle (with the batter positioned in a *relatively* similar stance). With the majority of the other sports being discussed, there may not always be such a minute allowance for error, but the conditions are almost never as reoccurring as they would be in a baseball pitching scenario, forcing/requiring a much wider range of motion and applied skill to conquer any given situation. baseball batters/pitchers may possess a high level of finesse, sure, but I feel like other athlete's (not to mention, in almost all positions) aggregate level of finesse trumps them simply for the completely dynamic moments of play.

You bring up good points, but while the pitcher is attempting to throw the ball in a very small window, the batter doesn't know where that window is, and the strike zone is essentially from around the navel to just below the knees, and extends about 2 feet wide. There are also about 6 or 7 commonly thrown pitches, all of which have different action on them with variable speed. Add all of that with the fact that the batter has to begin their swing when the ball is still about 25 feet away to even make contact. They have fractions of a second to react, and need to take into consideration all those different factors in such a small amount of time. Yes, it's always a guy throwing a ball within a certain window of space, but if you've ever stood in a batters box against someone throwing even 90+, you'd know that it's certainly not a matter of simple repetition that allows for success. Reading pitches is incredibly difficult, and is often the demise of many prospective minor league players. They can demolish a 95mph fastball traveling in a straight line, but you throw them an 82mph curve and they don't even come close.

I'm not detracting from any other sports, and I'm not saying that any other sports are easy, I'm just saying that baseball is most certainly not easy by any means. I think it's a definite testament to the difficulty of hitting in baseball as it is considered quite successfull to get a hit in only 3 out of every 10 at bats.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 I'm not detracting from any other sports, and I'm not saying that any other sports are easy, I'm just saying that baseball is most certainly not easy by any means.

Fair play, fair play

Nice sig btw. I have a friend who has a picture that makes it look like they're a giant about to stomp on the pyramid

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Originally posted by srussell0018 You bring up good points, but while the pitcher is attempting to throw the ball in a very small window, the batter doesn't know where that window is, and the strike zone is essentially from around the navel to just below the knees, and extends about 2 feet wide. There are also about 6 or 7 commonly thrown pitches, all of which have different action on them with variable speed. Add all

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