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Originally posted by X-Multiply At the moment it would have to be Solar Stone - Solarcoaster (Midway mix)

DOOD!! I forgot aboot this one. This is huge!

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Originally posted by DJMaytag Nope, they're new. I stil have the price tag on Trancemaster 26, and it was $21.99. I believe the other ones I got in the series were right in that range.

I thought you said they were for $19.99 or so ? Now you are telling me they are $21.99 ? ? .. then they will be 25 ? .. whats the deal ?
and what kind of range are you talking about ? between 21 and 30 ? mm ok . Not that I care anyways.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag I don't think it's out of line for me to vent some frustration becuase I'm involved in a business that's hurt by the sharing of mp3 rips... and yes, we don't hardly sell ANY CD's anymore, after having quite a decent selection a few years ago. I think we've had like 3 people come in looking for CD's in the past year, and none asking for any CD in particular (why would they ask, if they knew what they wanted, they could just go online and get it?)

I can tell you a reason why they've probably heavent bought any. Your store is a 12" , DJ dedicated store, isnt it ? .. why would someone go there and buy CD's if the majority of the people that go there are DJ's. As well, theres the internet, where its easier to find those rare imports , or maybe theres a better Import CD store around your town. Common sense, ooor, where you live is pretty much not as trancey, or not as CLUBBY. I live in Miami, and Im guessing you must have an idea on how its the scene here, as well the radios, which influence alot on whats and whats not on ... the trend ? .. at least here dance music is pretty much THERE , with strong support. And well, If it werent for mp3 I wouldnt have bought the CD's I've bought, because 40 dollars for an import, must be well worth it, therefore, I would rather know and like what Im buying. RIGHT ? ? ?
If it werent for Mp3's, I think that IMPORTS wouldnt be bought as much as now.

I just gotta say vesa you are the man.... Allthought I personaly dont have the time to waste on mr maytag...You have done what i lacked the time to do.....

Maytag you ruined my fucking thread...everything was going fine here..people posting their rare rips and you had to come in and fuck everything up...i should make a thread called "WHAT SONGS ARE YOU DESPERATE TO GET A FULL RIP WITHOUT FUCKING GAYTAG MESSING IT UP"

I think most people will join me when I say
DJ Maytag, COCK OFF

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Originally posted by Az I think most people will join me when I say DJ Maytag, COCK OFF

better yet, fuck off!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here Lies DJ Maytag.

A permanently destroyed reputation on TA.

O.K we all agree he's a dumbass let's leave it alone and go back to the thread topic.

U2 - New Years Day (Armin Remix)
Underworld - Born Slippy (CJ Stone Mix)

All I can think of ATM......

Underworld (cj stone mix) i found in hub

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Originally posted by trance_n_dance U2 - New Years Day (Armin Remix) Underworld - Born Slippy (CJ Stone Mix) All I can think of ATM......

There's an Armin mix of this ?

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Originally posted by trance_n_dance U2 - New Years Day (Armin Remix) Underworld - Born Slippy (CJ Stone Mix) All I can think of ATM......

There's an Armin mix of this ?

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Originally posted by fr0st Oh and I forgot this. This one goes to you Mr. Hi my name is DJ Maytag I dont share mp3 because im above it all..

I think my first post on the subject should have been the end.

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Originally posted by uwmadtrance Yes, I steal everything that I can't afford. Your statements reflect the sentiments that anybody who cannot afford to purchase a vinyl or CD of a particular artist should be denied the right to listen to that artist.

There's a HUGE difference between listening to and owning a recording. If you wanna listen, go to a club or listen to the radio (internet radio included.)

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Originally posted by uwmadtrance That's a wonderful philosophy if you want an already small trance community to dwindle to even smaller numbers.

PLEASE! It's NOT gonna get any smaller...

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Originally posted by uwmadtrance But I suppose maybe that's what you want, only the elitists with the income to purchase all of their music should be allowed in the trance scene.

I'm gonna post a response to all to clarify my response to this answer, which is yes and no.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag PLEASE! It's NOT gonna get any smaller...

Yes, it is. The already small trance community relies largely on mp3 to keep up with the current tracks and the current hot producers. Without mp3 access, this community will decrease drastically. Maybe in YOUR time before mp3 and ogg and whatever, most had to rely on purchasing the track to hear it. Times change. As soon as I have the money to purchase tables and vinyl, I will (ask Mr. Richmann, we talk quite frequently). I hope to some day be able to buy many of the tracks I know and love, but for now I must rely on mp3 to enjoy the music I have come to love. Again, I guess my priorities are out of line. I shouldn't be entitled to listen to the music I love so much because I don't have the disposable income to spend on the vinyl.

This argument is getting old. You know my view. I'll still be @ Plush @ Quest to watch you spin. I respect you, I just don't entirely agree with you.

I need to clarify a few things about my position on mp3 sharing, because it seems like some are confused about which kind of mp3's I'm speaking of. I see a few different categories:

1. Full rips of individual songs

I am ABSOLUTELY 100% AGAINST the sharing of full rips, and I think this has already been established. I'll concede that some on TA have good intentions when it comes to acquiring full rips, there are a SIGNIFICANT number of people downloading full rips for the intention of using them with some of the DJ tools like Final Scratch and on DJ CD players like the CDJ-1000. These are the ones that you ought to be directing your flames towards, as they're the ones that are spoiling it for you.

The sharing of full rips DOES directly impact the sales of vinyl records and artist albums because of those who steal these songs. If someone has a rip on CD to use with their DJ CD player, they're NOT gonna go out and buy the vinyl. Same thing with an artist album, if they acquire the songs they like from the given album, they're NOT gonna buy the CD or multipack vinyl.

2. Full rips of individual songs from artists who've given permission to share

Places like MP3.com come to mind, and I think the sharing of mp3's like these is somewhat OK, but would rather direct someone to the official point to download them, rather than use a peer-to-peer client (I bring this up because I'd found some of my own productions on Napster and while I was initially excited, I soon realized that if someone was getting my tunes thru Napster, then I'd be missing out on increasing my listens count which has an impact on the "Payback For Playback" system results.)

If an artist that has retained the rights to his song declares that anyone can share the artists music as they see fit, then by all means it's fair game (unfortunately record labels rarely let the artists retain the rights to the recordings, so this would be rare...)

3. Rips off mix CD's that contains snippets of other songs in the beginning and end (or songs dissected from livesets.)

I'm not really thrilled with the idea of the sharing of these, as they do have an impact on CD sales, but I'm not gonna get too bent out of shape over it because it's not a 100% reproduction and they can't be used on burnt CD's for use with FinalScratch, etc.

It's kind of ironic that had the title of this thread not contain the 'full rip' phrase and people were talking about sharing mp3's from DJ mixes, then I probably never would have gotten involved in this thread...

4. Non-commercial DJ mixes/livesets/netradio broadcasts

All fair game IMO. These are a great way to listen to different tracks that's not gonna negatively impact vinyl single and artist album sales (it's enitrely likely that these SPUR sales) and is also not likely going to detract significantly from mix CD sales.

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So to now answer Bobby's question: if you don't have the money to afford to buy what you want to hear, try option 4. There are plenty of netradio broadcasts where you can hear the latest in trance music, and there are TONS of livesets floating around that contain 99% of the tunes that have been requested in this thread. I'm not gonna endorse it, but option 3 could be used in a pinch.

If neither of these are good enough for ya, well... TOUGH! Life ain't fair sometimes, and we can't always get what we want, so we're forced to make due with what we got. If it truly is about the music, then an incomplete version of the song with the bulk of the content should suffice. If you really MUST have that full rip, then go buy it... and if you can't afford it, well... I'm sorry to say it, but like I said before... TOUGH!

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Originally posted by LiquidX I thought you said they were for $19.99 or so ? Now you are telling me they are $21.99 ? ? .. then they will be 25 ? .. whats the deal ? and what kind of range are you talking about ? between 21 and 30 ? mm ok . Not that I care anyways.

OK, so you're paying $30+ and you're gonna complain about a $2 difference on ONE of CD's I acquired at that price? I'm about 90% positive that $21.99 was the most expensive Trancemaster comp I bought at the shop I now work for.

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Originally posted by LiquidX I can tell you a reason why they've probably heavent bought any. Your store is a 12" , DJ dedicated store, isnt it ? .. why would someone go there and buy CD's if the majority of the people that go there are DJ's.

As long as there have been DJ stores around here, there have been higher quality CD's available than what you would find at your local mall's chain store.

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Originally posted by LiquidX As well, theres the internet, where its easier to find those rare imports , or maybe theres a better Import CD store around your town. Common sense, ooor, where you live is pretty much not as trancey, or not as CLUBBY. I live in Miami

We sell (or used to sell) more than just trance CD's ya know... it's taken quite a while to sell thru the CD's we've had, trance, techno, and house. Most of what comes thru and sells now is just local DJ mix CD's...

OK, so you're in Miami? Then you're getting screwed because I've been to Miami and bought a THREE CD Trancemaster comp (V22) there a few years ago for $25.99!!! Maybe you need to shop around more or stop exaggerating how much they cost down there?

FYI, I bought that comp at Grooveman Music, 1543 Washington Ave, South Beach. Maybe you ought to take a trip over there, assuming it's not gone out of business.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag OK, so you're paying $30+ and you're gonna complain about a $2 difference on ONE of CD's I acquired at that price? I'm about 90% positive that $21.99 was the most expensive Trancemaster comp I bought at the shop I now work for. As long as there have been DJ stores around here, there have been higher quality CD's available than what you would find at your local mall's chain store. We sell (or used to sell) more than just trance CD's ya know... it's taken quite a while to sell thru the CD's we've had, trance, techno, and house. Most of what comes thru and sells now is just local DJ mix CD's... OK, so you're in Miami? Then you're getting screwed because I've been to Miami and bought a THREE CD Trancemaster comp (V22) there a few years ago for $25.99!!! Maybe you need to shop around more or stop exaggerating how much they cost down there? FYI, I bought that comp at Grooveman Music, 1543 Washington Ave, South Beach. Maybe you ought to take a trip over there, assuming it's not gone out of business.

/me inserts classic 'shut the fuck up' picture here

found a decent one, thanks to Az's spam @ tranceairwaves

WoW what a Thread.... I could read this all day Hey Dj Maytag we won�t download any mp3�s again! We will all buy the vinyls now at your record shop... Could u plz shut the hell up now???????????
Thank You!!

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Originally posted by DJMaytag 1. Full rips of individual songs I am ABSOLUTELY 100% AGAINST the sharing of full rips, and I think this has already been established. I'll concede that some on TA have good intentions when it comes to acquiring full rips, there are a SIGNIFICANT number of people downloading full rips for the intention of using them with some of the DJ tools like Final Scratch and on DJ CD players like the CDJ-1000. These are the ones that you ought to be directing your flames towards, as they're the ones that are spoiling it for you. The sharing of full rips DOES directly impact the sales of vinyl records and artist albums because of those who steal these songs. If someone has a rip on CD to use with their DJ CD player, they're NOT gonna go out and buy the vinyl. Same thing with an artist album, if they acquire the songs they like from the given album, they're NOT gonna buy the CD or multipack vinyl.

Dude ! listen, I find it very hard to believe that mp3's have affected that much SALES, if not , HELPED ! !. Those people that you have talked of playing BURNED CD"s, come on ! ! ! a tru DJ and respectful to the muzik , wont do that, unless is a starting DJ working part time hours on b-day parties for 10 year olds. Also, if someone cant afford to buy vynils, the person WONT BUY them, but with mp3's, he has the chance to start getting some money, and then start buying VYNILS ! .. but in no way its hurting SALES, since that person, even if there wasent mp3's, wouldnt bother to buy and spend that much money ! but, thanx to mp3's, (im refering to the scenario you are talking about here ), he was able to get some money, and buy vynils.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag OK, so you're in Miami? Then you're getting screwed because I've been to Miami and bought a THREE CD Trancemaster comp (V22) there a few years ago for $25.99!!! Maybe you need to shop around more or stop exaggerating how much they cost down there? FYI, I bought that comp at Grooveman Music, 1543 Washington Ave, South Beach. Maybe you ought to take a trip over there, assuming it's not gone out of business.

Ok, I dont want to offend you or anything, but I said I bought a GATECRASHER CD and EUPHORIA CD's ! I never said I had bought a Trancemaster CD. I also said that the price of those CD's, here in the local stores, are no less then 30, and the cheapest place that you could find them is through the net. I also said that if It werent for mp3's, I wouldnt even KNOW they were AS GOOD , nor I wouldnt have bought them, but what I heard had my satisfaction on how much I was going to spend . Which was 27 for Euphoria, and 30 for the GC,but the price was thanks to a special SALE.

Also, you first said that the Trancemaster was 19.99 and then you say 21.99, you are either bullshiting , or just, BULLSHITING me.

I went to Grooveman music just a week ago, Im 45 mins away from grooveman, how much would it cost me in GAS ? theres some 2 dollars at least ! so the price of the CD goes up to 27.99, plus my way back, theres another 2 dollars in gas , which is 29.99. Plus tax , which is 7% is about 32 dollars, If not 33. Common sense thinking man, but I do disagree that sales have gone down, since most of the people exposed to the many songs through mp3, will either go out and buy it, or buy CD's containing this songs, which Is what I do. I buy CD's by first listening to the quality of it. I do this though whenever I have the chance to. But if not, then I just listen to the Mp3. It doesnt affect in any way the sales, because, if I DONT HAVE THE MONEY I wouldnt BUY IT ANYWAYS ! so mp3 doesnt make no freaking Difference !

Fuck I meant the Ferry Corsten mix of U2 - New Years Day my bad, had AVB on winamp and got distracted :| lol.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag So to now answer Bobby's question: if you don't have the money to afford to buy what you want to hear, try option 4. There are plenty of netradio broadcasts where you can hear the latest in trance music, and there are TONS of livesets floating around that contain 99% of the tunes that have been requested in this thread. I'm not gonna endorse it, but option 3 could be used in a pinch.

So listening to MP3's from someone else computer is different from listening to them on yours? I don't fully understand.

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[i][b]Originally posted by DJMaytag if someone has a rip on CD to use with their DJ CD player, they're NOT gonna go out and buy the vinyl.

ah but you see thats not true always.i own the numark 222 fusion cdj setup and just got my stanton str-80 turntable for christmas.

i have:

Punk

The Theme

First Second

Ligaya

Joyenergizer

Silence


all on mp3


BUT,

now i have them on viynl as well

plus im getting Can U Dig It,Legoland,anything from Armin!,The Truth,some new Scot Project,Awakenings,and a lot of other things on viynl ASAP! even tho i have all of these things on mp3.so not everybody does that.in fact,i think i'm living proof on the benifits of mp3. if it wasn't for mp3 i would have never bought my cd tables
never would have thought of asking for a turntable for christmas ,and never would have discovered a form of music that HAS LITERALLY CHANGED MY LIFE.I MEAN LITERALLY.i cant even describe how trance has changed my life for the better and mp3 and this site have a huge part in that.and how many other people reading this are probably saying to theirselfs hey me too!so if it's effected me this way their has to be others out there that share my beliefs or have even done the same things i have done when it comes to this scene and the scene of mp3's.

cheers....






oh and if anybody has a full rip of Klf vs unknown- Eternal Fridge
let me know!heard only a sample of it but it sounded like it had massive potential!...










GIVE TRANCE A CHANCE....

If Maytag was smart he would have brought his opinion up in a way that people would actually respect it or at least not flame him for it but he's obviously not that bright

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Originally posted by DJMaytag The sharing of full rips DOES directly impact the sales of vinyl records and artist albums because of those who steal these songs. If someone has a rip on CD to use with their DJ CD player, they're NOT gonna go out and buy the vinyl. Same thing with an artist album, if they acquire the songs they like from the given album, they're NOT gonna buy the CD or multipack vinyl.

seriously, think about what you are saying. If a DJ wants a tune, they will buy the tune. The reason vinyl sales are down is because of the amount of shit thats being released by some labels. For instance I went to the Tidy weekender, and they are moaning about vinyl sales being down. Thats because they release shit records noone wants, noone even bothers to rip half the stuff they release, so MP3's have nothing to do with that. A lot of the MP3's that are shared are promo only, never to have a full release, so the people that aren't lucky enough to be on promo lists should miss out?? They shouldn't. For example, Andy Perring (Pulser) was in i:Vibes chat a while back, and everyone was telling him how good his mix of jose amnesia - the eternal was, and the only way most people would even know it EXISTS is by MP3, and I didn't see him telling everyone they were ripping him off, he said thank you
Also, where the fuck have you got the vinyl sales are decreasing shit from? places like chemical records, Hard to find records, Juno.co.uk, only DJ's etc... are making more money than ever!. Chemical Records has started it's own nights FFS with top class DJ's!. The only labels that are suffering, are as I've said, the ones that release shit records. I don't see ATCR, Nebula, Perfecto, Purple Eye, overdose, xtravaganza etc... struggling with there vinyl sales!, more vinyls are being sold than ever in the UK, so don't come in here and moan that noones in Madison, Wisconsin wants to buy the shit your store sells.
On a side note, I don't fully condone the sharing of MP3's, especially the ripping group side of things, and the people that mass rips stuff, especially albums (which is where the real piracy is), will get what's coming to them. But still, to come onto an internet forum that still has bitching threads about the RIAA shutting down audiogalaxy is just plain retarded. If I still had my gold stars for being "special" you'd have got one a few pages ago
now cock off

to DJ Maytag...





only kidding

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