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Originally posted by jerZ07002 so tell me how the experience of a russian, chinese, japanese, south african, or thai person was as meaningful. Since geography means nothing, they should all have an experience that is on some level as meaningful as mine, right?

alright how bout this, how fucking old are you? how unbelievably short sighted and arrogant do you have to be to think america is the centre of the universe and people around the world dont get shit on worse than 911 on a daily basis in some places? get the fuck outta here with this I was there bullshit. You ever actually been to war, you had your friends guts spilled on your face? You ever see a dead baby burnt to a crisp like a piece of toast? Why dont you go talk to war veterans and see what they go through. Oh right you dont know squat about what goes on over in iraq because your government doesnt tell you shit. They feed you a bunch a crap about terrorists and you believe them and go over there to murder and terrorize thousands of innocent people. And for what? Freedom? Patriotism? or whatever thats supposed to mean. You are more a slave than you realize, and the furthest thing from being free.

you're probably thinking now why is this jerkoff talking about iraq? Because thats where this conversation will inevitably end. Whats happening in iraq among other things are the byproducts of of what happened on 911. Im talking about whats happening right now and that affects us all

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Originally posted by Spike alright how bout this, how fucking old are you? how unbelievably short sighted and arrogant do you have to be to think america is the centre of the universe and people around the world dont get shit on worse than 911 on a daily basis in some places? get the fuck outta here with this I was there bullshit. You ever actually been to war, you had your friends guts spilled on your face? You ever see a dead baby burnt to a crisp like a piece of toast? Why dont you go talk to war veterans and see what they go through. Oh right you dont know squat about what goes on over in iraq because your government doesnt tell you shit. They feed you a bunch a crap about terrorists and you believe them and go over there to murder and terrorize thousands of innocent people. And for what? Freedom? Patriotism? or whatever thats supposed to mean. You are more a slave than you realize, and the furthest thing from being free. you're probably thinking now why is this jerkoff talking about iraq? Because thats where this conversation will inevitably end. Whats happening in iraq among other things are the byproducts of of what happened on 911. Im talking about whats happening right now and that affects us all

no douche bag, i was responding to the claims that i should care more about whether my government covered up the story. to that comment, i responded that i care about as much as anyone on this board because i live near the wtc, work near wtc, and also because the local consequences have effected many facets of my life. then your stupid ass had to make an irrelevant comment.

i wasn't talking about war, collateral consequences of 911, or anything else, so stfu!

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Originally posted by Spike alright how bout this, how fucking old are you? how unbelievably short sighted and arrogant do you have to be to think america is the centre of the universe and people around the world dont get shit on worse than 911 on a daily basis in some places? get the fuck outta here with this I was there bullshit. You ever actually been to war, you had your friends guts spilled on your face? You ever see a dead baby burnt to a crisp like a piece of toast? Why dont you go talk to war veterans and see what they go through. Oh right you dont know squat about what goes on over in iraq because your government doesnt tell you shit. They feed you a bunch a crap about terrorists and you believe them and go over there to murder and terrorize thousands of innocent people. And for what? Freedom? Patriotism? or whatever thats supposed to mean. You are more a slave than you realize, and the furthest thing from being free. you're probably thinking now why is this jerkoff talking about iraq? Because thats where this conversation will inevitably end. Whats happening in iraq among other things are the byproducts of of what happened on 911. Im talking about whats happening right now and that affects us all

Your post makes absolutely no sense and contains absolutely zero relevance to the discussion.

The genocide in Darfur. I have taken part in rallies and inform myself about the atrocities going on and have tried to inform others. But I cannot say I feel anywhere near the same emotion toward the situation as someone living there or in the area, nor there should be no reason I do so. See.... me talking about Darfur was more relevant to the prior discussion than your (see above) idiotic rant.

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Originally posted by DJ Eco Your post makes absolutely no sense and contains absolutely zero relevance to the discussion. The genocide in Darfur. I have taken part in rallies and inform myself about the atrocities going on and have tried to inform others. But I cannot say I feel anywhere near the same emotion toward the situation as someone living there or in the area, nor there should be no reason I do so. See.... me talking about Darfur was more relevant to the prior discussion than your (see above) idiotic rant.

Not to mention that it was apples to oranges.

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Originally posted by Spike Why dont you go talk to war veterans and see what they go through.

Because they had an experience of war, while we had a civilian terrorist experience. I don't know why we have to talk about this like there's a measuring scale, like someone's experiences outweight someone else's. They see burnt babies and friends dying, while we saw people on fire jumping down 85 stories and friends dying. You're an idiot.

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Originally posted by DJ Eco quote: Originally posted by Spike alright how bout this, how fucking old are you? how unbelievably short sighted and arrogant do you have to be to think america is the centre of the universe and people around the world dont get shit on worse than 911 on a daily basis in some places? get the fuck outta here with this I was there bullshit. You ever actually been to war, you had your friends guts spilled on your face? You ever see a dead baby burnt to a crisp like a piece of toast? Why dont you go talk to war veterans and see what they go through. Oh right you dont know squat about what goes on over in iraq because your government doesnt tell you shit. They feed you a bunch a crap about terrorists and you believe them and go over there to murder and terrorize thousands of innocent people. And for what? Freedom? Patriotism? or whatever thats supposed to mean. You are more a slave than you realize, and the furthest thing from being free. you're probably thinking now why is this jerkoff talking about iraq? Because thats where this conversation will inevitably end. Whats happening in iraq among other things are the byproducts of of what happened on 911. Im talking about whats happening right now and that affects us all Your post makes absolutely no sense and contains absolutely zero relevance to the discussion.

lol much like all the other posts by the conspiracy theorists in this thread

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Originally posted by Spike alright how bout this, how fucking old are you? how unbelievably short sighted and arrogant do you have to be to think america is the centre of the universe and people around the world dont get shit on worse than 911 on a daily basis in some places? get the fuck outta here with this I was there bullshit. You ever actually been to war, you had your friends guts spilled on your face? You ever see a dead baby burnt to a crisp like a piece of toast? Why dont you go talk to war veterans and see what they go through. Oh right you dont know squat about what goes on over in iraq because your government doesnt tell you shit. They feed you a bunch a crap about terrorists and you believe them and go over there to murder and terrorize thousands of innocent people. And for what? Freedom? Patriotism? or whatever thats supposed to mean. You are more a slave than you realize, and the furthest thing from being free. you're probably thinking now why is this jerkoff talking about iraq? Because thats where this conversation will inevitably end. Whats happening in iraq among other things are the byproducts of of what happened on 911. Im talking about whats happening right now and that affects us all

You sir, are an idiot....... you have contributed nothing to this discussion and we are all now dumber for having read your drivel....

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Originally posted by XaNaX lol much like all the other posts by the conspiracy theorists in this thread

It even goes beyond conspiracy theorism. Their opinions, although I disagree with most of them, are at least well-researched and they have sources to back their opinions up (it's the sources that I also disagree with, but that's another discussion).... His statement was just... dumb.


According to his logic, someone from New Orleans who survived Hurricane Katrina but saw dozens of his neighbors perish shouldn't have the right to be so upset about it, because this person has never been to Vietnam or Iraq.

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Originally posted by DJ Eco It even goes beyond conspiracy theorism. Their opinions, although I disagree with most of them, are at least well-researched and they have sources to back their opinions up (it's the sources that I also disagree with, but that's another discussion).... His statement was just... dumb. According to his logic, someone from New Orleans who survived Hurricane Katrina but saw dozens of his neighbors perish shouldn't have the right to be so upset about it, because this person has never been to Vietnam or Iraq.

haha...way to boil it down. i quickly read his BS and then dismissed it without giving it much thought.

Why those who orchestrated 911 must be brought to trial: Italy and Japan question 911 while our children are indoctrinated


War on Free Thought and Dissent Reaches Our Children

On 11 September 2001, the world changed. Not because the attacks on the United States were unique, since there have been many documented cases of false flag operations throughout history. The world changed because we forfeited the freedom of generations to come to obtain a delusional sense of security from madmen.

The reason that corporations like the United States even bother to release “official” documents so full of holes that you could fly a plane through them, is because by doing so, every branch of government must regurgitate this “official” story. This means that schools, which are meant to educate our children, are actually indoctrinating them into a corrupt system established for the proliferation of war.

This would explain why the government of California is “clamping down on homeschooling by parents” stating that “parents do not have a constitutional right to home school their children.” This is indeed a frightening turn of events, specially if you consider that Governor Schwarzenegger “has proposed cutting nearly $5 billion dollars from California’s education system, sparking the distribution of ‘pink slips’ to over 20,000 teachers.” Close to 90,000 more could be sent out, straining the education system to the breaking point.

Other States are also waging war on free thought. Arizona has passed a measure backing 'American values' in state schools.


Japan Questions the “Official” 911 Story

On 10 January 2008, in the National Diet of Japan, "Councilor Yukihisa Fujita of Democratic Party of Japan questioned 9/11." The videos can be viewed at: Japan Parliament Questions the ‘Official’ 911 Story: When will Americans do the same?

Approximately four months later, on 24 April 2008, Councilor Yukihisa Fujita again questions 911.


The Evidence that the “Official” 911 Story is a Fabrication

Why is Japan’s parliament questioning 911? Because the “official” story that the US government has been peddling is completely falling apart, and the world is waking up to the reality that something is very wrong with the so-called “War on Terror.” When will Americans accept the truth of 911 and begin to hold those who committed these horrendous acts accountable?

Which brings us to the following post on George Washington’s Blog: Former President of Italy: 9/11 was an Inside Job - “On November 30th, the former President of Italy, Francesco Cossiga, wrote in Italy's largest newspaper.




Why the Truth of 911 Must Revealed

911 is different from the assassination of JFK and the Oklahoma City bombing. Those events were blamed on internal patsies, 911 was not.

Two wars are now being fought with devastating consequences while a third is being planned with “all options on the table,” directly implying the use of Nuclear Weapons .

If we are going to continue our campaign of spreading death and destruction to the rest of the world and ourselves, then we should at least understand why we are doing it and who is orchestrating it. By bringing those who committed this crime to trial, we will be able to break this chain of ignorance which has promised to bring our children and us war without end.


http://www.chycho.com/?q=node/1690

"To know that this administration has lied us into two wars that have cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people... solidifies for me the TRUTH that anything they say, is a lie. Or, everything they say is a lie, is another way of putting it. Everything that this administration says is a lie. If they have an official version of the events of 9/11, it is by definition, a lie. It has to be. Because this is an administration that lies about everything. There're no way to weasel out of that, you can't get out of that. An administration that will lie a country into war... will lie about everything. You don't have to be a genius to figure that out, or to come to that conclusion... There are some very, very brave, intelligent people, and expert people in their fields, who have said, 'No. This [9/11] is a lie.'"

- Mike Malloy, Nova M broadcast, April 28,2008

Explosive Truth About Pearl Harbor: The Story The Rest Of The Media Won't Tell

(On March 28, WhatReallyHappened.com posted a photograph of the front page of The Honolulu Advertiser, November 30, 1941. At the very top of the page is the headline: "Japanese May Strike Over Weekend!". The only reason that the headline exists is due to the effort of one Joseph Leib, who told his story in the January, 1984 Hustler magazine. Thanks to Larry Flynt Publications, 911blogger.com has permission to share the text from this piece of hidden history. Hustler has been quite friendly to 9/11 skeptics, and continues to be so. Bearing in mind that Hustler is a magazine that contains erotic imagery for adults, visit Hustler Magazine.com to see what is in the latest issue, including journalistic content from Thom Hartmann and Larisa Alexandrovna. -rep.)

REPORT BY JOSEPH LEIB

What you're about to read will amaze and astound you. More than 40 years after Japan's cowardly sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, HUSTLER has uncovered unquestionable factual evidence that President Franklin Delano Roosevelt knew almost to the hour when the Japanese assault would begin - and deliberately did nothing to prevent it. In fact, he had been working on his celebrated "Date Which Will Live in Infamy" speech several days before swarms of Jap bombers and fighter planes demolished the U.S. fleet and killed in excess of 2,400 American citizens. Now, for the first time, HUSTLER reveals the incredibly sordid story of how our 32nd President sold his country down the river.

There was an eerie calm over Hawaii that morning. Perhaps it was a silent warning of what was to come. On every prior Sunday, for nearly two months, U.S. Navy carrier-based fliers posing as enemy aviators had conducted mock bombing raids while Army antiaircraft batteries directed simulated fire in defense of the island. Just a week earlier the sky over Oahu has resembled a three-ring circus as Navy planes circled, dove and buzzed the decks of the mighty Pacific Fleet's warships lying in anchor at Pearl Harbor.

But Sunday, December 7, 1941, was different. With just a few exceptions nearly all the Navy's and the Army's aircraft were on the ground. No army gunners were ready at their posts. Not a single Navy reconnaissance plane was in the air. Instead, the fighters, bombers, patrol planes, transports and trainers were carefully lined up on runway aprons - wing to wing, tip to tip, in perfect target position.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/15277#comment

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Originally posted by culorut Explosive Truth About Pearl Harbor: The Story The Rest Of The Media Won't Tell (On March 28, WhatReallyHappened.com posted a photograph of the front page of The Honolulu Advertiser, November 30, 1941. At the very top of the page is the headline: "Japanese May Strike Over Weekend!". The only reason that the headline exists is due to the effort of one Joseph Leib, who told his story in the January, 1984 Hustler magazine. Thanks to Larry Flynt Publications, 911blogger.com has permission to share the text from this piece of hidden history. Hustler has been quite friendly to 9/11 skeptics, and continues to be so. Bearing in mind that Hustler is a magazine that contains erotic imagery for adults, visit Hustler Magazine.com to see what is in the latest issue, including journalistic content from Thom Hartmann and Larisa Alexandrovna. -rep.) REPORT BY JOSEPH LEIB What you're about to read will amaze and astound you. More than 40 years after Japan's cowardly sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, HUSTLER has uncovered unquestionable factual evidence that President Franklin Delano Roosevelt knew almost to the hour when the Japanese assault would begin - and deliberately did nothing to prevent it. In fact, he had been working on his celebrated "Date Which Will Live in Infamy" speech several days before swarms of Jap bombers and fighter planes demolished the U.S. fleet and killed in excess of 2,400 American citizens. Now, for the first time, HUSTLER reveals the incredibly sordid story of how our 32nd President sold his country down the river. There was an eerie calm over Hawaii that morning. Perhaps it was a silent warning of what was to come. On every prior Sunday, for nearly two months, U.S. Navy carrier-based fliers posing as enemy aviators had conducted mock bombing raids while Army antiaircraft batteries directed simulated fire in defense of the island. Just a week earlier the sky over Oahu has resembled a three-ring circus as Navy planes circled, dove and buzzed the decks of the mighty Pacific Fleet's warships lying in anchor at Pearl Harbor. But Sunday, December 7, 1941, was different. With just a few exceptions nearly all the Navy's and the Army's aircraft were on the ground. No army gunners were ready at their posts. Not a single Navy reconnaissance plane was in the air. Instead, the fighters, bombers, patrol planes, transports and trainers were carefully lined up on runway aprons - wing to wing, tip to tip, in perfect target position. http://www.911blogger.com/node/15277#comment

the whole problem with this theory is that the even a failed attack by the japanese would have been sufficient justification for america to go to war. If roosevelt knew about the attack, he could have had troops in honolulu prepared to fight, or he could have sent ships to attack the japanese while they were en route to hawaii.

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Originally posted by culorut Which brings us to the following post on George Washington’s Blog: Former President of Italy: 9/11 was an Inside Job - “On November 30th, the former President of Italy, Francesco Cossiga, wrote in Italy's largest newspaper.

You realize Francesco Cossiga is more than 80 years old and hasn't been "President" of Italy since 1992. The best part about being "President" of Italy is that it's pretty much just an honorable title. The "President" of Italy doesn't do much more than live a quiet life going to honorable things throughout the country, as a figurehead (Prime Minister matters). It's like a high-ranking Prince or Princess of England or Wales coming out with a statement on 9/11, and at 80 years old no less.

I can't see how any of this makes him an expert on the matter. Think about any 80 year-olds you know. They're incredibly cynical and aren't exactly capable (or trained) at spending hours in front of a computer doing research on a topic like this. I'm sure, if I were more acquainted with some of the other sources in your post, I could poke similar holes through them, but I'll just leave my reply at that.

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Originally posted by DJ Eco You realize Francesco Cossiga is more than 80 years old and hasn't been "President" of Italy since 1992. The best part about it is that "President" of Italy is just like an honorable title and the President of Italy actually doesn't really do anything. Prime Minister is what matters. It's like a high-ranking Prince or Princess of England or Wales coming out with a statement on 9/11, and at 80 years old. I can't see how any of this makes him an expert on the matter. Think about any 80 year-olds you know. They're very cynical, and aren't exactly capable (or trained) at spending hours on the internet or computer doing research. I'm sure, if I were more acquainted with some of the other sources in your post, I could poke holes through them as well, but I'll just leave my reply at that...

what cretinrot fails to understand is the "tongue in cheek" respect in which cossiga made these remarks. anyone with half a brain can tell cossiga is actually mocking the italian left, not actually making a claim that he believes (not that it matters). but cretinrot doesn't understand politics because he doesn't have much of an education. everything he learns is from idiot websites.

its just a tiny minority bunch of kids trying to make some noise and ignore the reality that their "movement" is pointless and without mass support. There was a recent truther event with all their heavy hitters (steven jones & dylan avery and others) in NYC and by all reports there were around 50 people there.

Yeah, the movement is growing! ha.

from ryan mackey, NASA scientist who wrote to the journal that steven jones' letter was published in.

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I received a reply from Mr. Alam to my reminder today, and it is not promising. He decided to forward my complaints ... to the author of the paper. I have informed him that, since the authors of dubious papers do not set the standards for journals, that his response is entirely inappropriate, and have reminded him that it is the editors who should be responding. Thus far, only Mr. Alam has responded to anything, and it appears that he has no idea how real journals operate. At this point, I am about 80 percent convinced that the Bentham Open Access Journals are merely a vanity publication. I do still have some doubt because there are a great many -- too many! -- professionals listed on their editorial board, and the few I've checked up on appear to be legitimate. I will be taking this discussion to them with or without Mr. Alam, and we will get to the bottom of this. ------------- Two replies last night, both of them from Mr. Alam. The first was a forwarded message from Dr. Steven Jones. As you can expect, he disagrees with my assessment. However, as I indicated above, this is an editorial matter, and there is absolutely no reason why a submitter should be responding or even weighing in on the issue. This is clear evidence of a broken peer review process. The second reply, in Mr. Alam's own words, was a suggestion that I should instead be submitting my own paper in response. I have never before seen a scientific journal article whose abstract dealt with the editorial standards of the journal itself. Needless to say, this suggestion is unprofessional, and borderline insane. Regardless of whether or not the paper ultimately gets retracted, we can now confidently state that the publishers are incompetent. This matter needs to be resolved independent of any concerns with Dr. Jones or his paper. I have now informed the Editor in Chief, Dr. Dong-Sheng Jeng of the University of Dundee, of the situation. I remain hopeful that he was previously unaware of these problems and will take steps to rectify them. The alternative is most depressing.

there you have it folks. a vanity journal that prints anything for your $600. they must be so proud.

Incredible the ignorance of you people....I guess you never bothered to read about operation Gladio. Cossiga knows better than billions of people on this planet of black ops.

Gladio (Italian, from Latin gladius, meaning sword) is a code name denoting the clandestine NATO "stay-behind" operation in Italy after World War II, intended to counter an eventual Warsaw Pact invasion of Western Europe. Although Gladio specifically refers to the Italian branch of the NATO stay-behind organisations, Operation Gladio is used as an informal name for all stay-behind organisations.

Operating in all of NATO[citation needed] and even in some neutral countries or in Spain before its 1982 adhesion to NATO, Gladio was first coordinated by the Clandestine Committee of the Western Union (CCWU), founded in 1948. After the creation of NATO in 1949, the CCWU was integrated into the Clandestine Planning Committee (CPC), founded in 1951 and overseen by the SHAPE (Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe), transferred to Belgium after France�s official withdrawal from NATO in 1966 � which was not followed by the dissolution of the French stay-behind paramilitary movements. According to historian Daniele Ganser, one of the major researchers on the field, "Next to the CPC, a second secret army command center, labeled the Allied Clandestine Committee (ACC), was set up in 1957 on the orders of NATO's Supreme Allied Commander in Europe (SACEUR). This military structure provided for significant US leverage over the secret stay-behind networks in Western Europe as the SACEUR, throughout NATO's history, has traditionally been a US General who reports to the Pentagon in Washington and is based in NATO's Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE) in Mons, Belgium. The ACC's duties included elaborating on the directives of the network, developing its clandestine capability, and organizing bases in Britain and the United States. In wartime, it was to plan stay-behind operations in conjunction with SHAPE. According to former CIA director William Colby, it was 'a major program'."[1]

The role of the CIA in sponsoring Gladio and the extent of its activities during the Cold War era, and its relationship to attacks perpetrated in Italy during the years of lead and other similar clandestine operations is the subject of ongoing debate and investigation. Italy, Switzerland and Belgium have had parliamentary inquiries into the matter.[2] The US State Department has denied involvement in terrorism and stated that some of the allegations and researchers, such as Ganser, have been influenced by what it and others describe as a Soviet forgery, US Army Field Manual 30-31B.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

I think the 80 year old man knows a hell of a lot more than you idiots. His experience and knowledge is what you should be paying attention too. When someone of this caliber tells you something maybe you should just listen instead of acting like children.

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what cretinrot fails to understand is the "tongue in cheek" respect in which cossiga made these remarks. anyone with half a brain can tell cossiga is actually mocking the italian left, not actually making a claim that he believes (not that it matters). but cretinrot doesn't understand politics because he doesn't have much of an education. everything he learns is from idiot websites.

No what I do fully understand is exactly what he is saying, I mentioned I am fluent in Italian. You are absolutely wrong in your waste of a post. I cannot help it if you are stupid and do not understand how to read posts properly where I already stated this.

If you are dumb you are dumb, that is just the way life is. Some people (you specifically) cannot be helped. This is why you cannot comprehend and just post bullshit on forums where you feel you are important.

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Originally posted by culorut No what I do fully understand is exactly what he is saying, I mentioned I am fluent in spewing Bull Shit.

Fixed

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Originally posted by culorut No what I do fully understand is exactly what he is saying, I mentioned I am fluent in Italian. You are absolutely wrong in your waste of a post. I cannot help it if you are stupid and do understand how to read posts properly where I already stated this. If you are dumb you are dumb, that is just the way life is. Some people (you specifically) cannot be helped. This is why you cannot comprehend and just post bullshit on forums where you feel you are important.

i might be so inclined to believe that you are fluent in Italian as, clearly, you are not fluent in English.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp i might be so inclined to believe that you are fluent in Italian as, clearly, you are not fluent in English.

haha

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Originally posted by culorut No what I do fully understand is exactly what he is saying, I mentioned I am fluent in Italian. You are absolutely wrong in your waste of a post. I cannot help it if you are stupid and do understand how to read posts properly where I already stated this. If you are dumb you are dumb, that is just the way life is. Some people (you specifically) cannot be helped. This is why you cannot comprehend and just post bullshit on forums where you feel you are important.

Yes, so youre fluent in italian. Doesn't make up for the fact that your comprehension skills are sorely lacking.

What is cossiga talking about when he keeps referring to the italian left, as well as the video that was going to make an appearance "any day soon" ? You only see what you want to see, and the ONLY people that picked this up are the conspiracy loons.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp i might be so inclined to believe that you are fluent in Italian as, clearly, you are not fluent in English.

heehee!

And yet again another three or four posts from the usual suspects who cannot deny the facts presented but instead attack the individual.

At this rate you will convince all others who read this thread how incompetent you all are in debating and presenting facts.

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Originally posted by culorut And yet again another three or four posts from the usual suspects who cannot deny the facts presented but instead attack the individual. At this rate you will convince all others who read this thread how incompetent you all are in debating and presenting facts.

Its because your arguments are beneath us, we're not here to debate you, we're here to mock and deride because that's all you deserve. Duh!

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp i might be so inclined to believe that you are fluent in Italian as, clearly, you are not fluent in English.

Clearly you are not even good enough to prove that the engineering ring (which your parents probably paid for) around your dirty finger is enough to handle yet the most simple issues.

Are you sure you did not get it by buying it online off ebay jerkoff?

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