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Originally posted by Vivid Boy Haha ya i feel like Toronto steals its style from New York....or used to back in the day with the choclairs, red one's and kardinal's. However nowadays I think Toronto has a bit of its own style with the drake's, weekend's and shad. Southern Hip hop, is very basic and not very wordy.

Yea... Choclair and Kardinal were big when I lived up there. Baby Blue Sound Crew, too, from what I remember. I always liked K-os.

I've always told people down here that Toronto is the Canadian version of NYC.

I can't wait to get back up there one day to visit, it's been too long.

We have a cool hip hop scene that never got enough credit. Have you ever wrote another rhyme since your mc days?

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy We have a cool hip hop scene that never got enough credit. Have you ever wrote another rhyme since your mc days?

I agree. From my memories up there, the hip hop scene was definitely booming.

And yea... I still write from time to time. Once I stopped doing the "rap in someone's home studio aka closet" thing I left it alone as far as pursuing it.

I get told that I would've been a great project artist, though, if I just invested more energy into it, got studio time and met the right engineer/producer. I think my move down here kind of had something to do with that, then again, that's what separates the greats from the average guy doing it. Still though, I've blazed up and freestyled with a lot of greats in my time that never got the shine they deserved. It's amazing how many great songwriters and artists in general are never heard of because of the corporate machine or they're just too broke/busy trying to survive to take it seriously enough. Mind boggling, actually. That's art, though, and the nature of the beast.

Macklemore has a song that ends with the line "I'd rather be a starving artist than be successfull and fucked." I've heard his older stuff and its all good, but I think it was his producer Ryan whatever who made him break out.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Macklemore has a song that ends with the line "I'd rather be a starving artist than be successfull and fucked." I've heard his older stuff and its all good, but I think it was his producer Ryan whatever who made him break out.

His stuff sucked before he got together with Ryan Lewis.

Edit to qualify: As much as this sounds like a flippant American Psycho quote, he truly did come into his own commercially and artistically when he started working with Lewis.

Well now that I'm writing...

My dad said something along the same lines. Suffering is what brings great art out. If you're happy, successful, whatever it may be, your art will be shit. Suffering is the process of pain and you need pain to create meaningful art. He said it much better than I can write here, but it made so much sense when I was telling him about my relationship. That's why so many great writers struggle with keeping a woman and struggle with themselves internally. It's the nature of the beast and I really never thought of it that way, but when he said that it started to make perfect sense when I reflected back on my own experiences and such.

In my opinion, art by happy people often comes across as trite and shallow. Maybe that's because I'm a cynical bastard.

I tend to think, with no documentation whatsoever for this belief, that more cynical people enjoy art more, at least of the "suffering" variety.

I mean, that's why we all liked John Digweed, right???

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Originally posted by OrangestO Well now that I'm writing... My dad said something along the same lines. Suffering is what brings great art out. If you're happy, successful, whatever it may be, your art will be shit. Suffering is the process of pain and you need pain to create meaningful art. He said it much better than I can write here, but it made so much sense when I was telling him about my relationship. That's why so many great writers struggle with keeping a woman and struggle with themselves internally. It's the nature of the beast and I really never thought of it that way, but when he said that it started to make perfect sense when I reflected back on my own experiences and such.

Kat Williams said something similar about being a comedian.

It's so true. I mean, the best stuff I've ever written - whether a song, article, story - has been because I was enduring struggle and feeling some type of pain. And it's like I make this pain happen in my life on purpose to get my juices flowing subconsciously. Such a weird dynamic.

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Originally posted by Lews His stuff sucked before he got together with Ryan Lewis. Edit to qualify: As much as this sounds like a flippant American Psycho quote, he truly did come into his own commercially and artistically when he started working with Lewis.

What I meant is that he's always been a talented lyricist.

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Originally posted by Lews In my opinion, art by happy people often comes across as trite and shallow. Maybe that's because I'm a cynical bastard. I tend to think, with no documentation whatsoever for this belief, that more cynical people enjoy art more, at least of the "suffering" variety. I mean, that's why we all liked John Digweed, right???

I get what you mean but I don't think it's always like that. It's just that sad and cynical artists often shock us more which can be a good or bad thing.

I agree with Fledz. In fact, I think the notion of the tortured artist is in itself trite and shallow.

Don't get me wrong; familiarity with desperation, angst, longing, depression, misery - these are all components that lend themselves well to the artist and are so transposed into his or her art. But one does not have to be in this unhappy place to make excellent art. In fact, I would argue instead that one can be quite content and comfortable with themselves, and that art is regressive therapy into such horizons, equally as important as hope and optimism and happiness.

All facets are vital to the coalescence of the imperfect result, as art in the making is a reflection of life; Never undone is the making nor unmade is what's done; each life a refraction of that likewise undone gestalt.

Also, red wine.

I think artist recognition is anti-artistic. Who cares who the artist is, if that matters then the art itself is shallow inherently. As long as it draws an emotional response from the viewer that the viewer appreciates then that is all that matters.


Artist worship is just like DJ worship, douchey.

Idk...

I think artists (writers specifically) have these peaks and valleys. You reach a valley in your life and write to build yourself back up to your peak. You enjoy that peak and then look for that pain to fall back down into the valley. A lot of writers I know, myself included, experience this sort of behavior; it's not balanced behavior and has an effect on relationships, jobs, etc.

My opinion, though.

Just thought it an interesting observation and I wish I made a separate thread for it because I think there's people on here that could add some great insight to this, aside from some of you that already have.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I agree with Fledz. In fact, I think the notion of the tortured artist is in itself trite and shallow.

It's completely trite and shallow. However, to merely call it that is also just another iteration of our society's love of irony, e.g. "Oh, look at me, my soul is so black; I'm so tortured, I'm going to go make art." In a way, it's come back around. People love to roll their eyes at the trope of the depressing artist, now it's legitimate to roll one's eyes at the eye rollers

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Don't get me wrong; familiarity with desperation, angst, longing, depression, misery - these are all components that lend themselves well to the artist and are so transposed into his or her art. But one does not have to be in this unhappy place to make excellent art. In fact, I would argue instead that one can be quite content and comfortable with themselves, and that art is regressive therapy into such horizons, equally as important as hope and optimism and happiness. All facets are vital to the coalescence of the imperfect result, as art in the making is a reflection of life; Never undone is the making nor unmade is what's done; each life a refraction of that likewise undone gestalt.

Agree; I would argue that the best art comes from people who have seen both sides of the equation.

However, if I had to choose, I'd go with myopicly depressing art over colorful unicorns any day

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Originally posted by Lews I would argue that the best art comes from people who have seen both sides of the equation.

Bingo.

Peaks and valleys.

PEAKS AND VALLEYS!

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I think artist recognition is anti-artistic. Who cares who the artist is, if that matters then the art itself is shallow inherently. As long as it draws an emotional response from the viewer that the viewer appreciates then that is all that matters. Artist worship is just like DJ worship, douchey.

I actually see what you mean, and don't disagree... though I can think of some excellent examples that work absolutely contrary to what you are saying. One in particular comes to mind, though I am unfortunately not at liberty to share. The point is, most every worthwhile artist works from their experience, whether it be good or bad, and the inspiration for a song may be absolutely contrary to what mutability the witness at large might apply- there is beauty in this, the process to distill instance to a meaningful piece of work. No artist in control of his or her work is removed from this, and it is a thoroughly enriching thing.

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Originally posted by Lews Agree; I would argue that the best art comes from people who have seen both sides of the equation. However, if I had to choose, I'd go with myopicly depressing art over colorful unicorns any day

Yes and yes. Being in touch with what touches is paramount; no range of emotion has autonomy on this. It's rather Nietzschean; you must know the absence of anything worthwhile to know what is worth loving. Any wallowing on either end of the spectrum is just that; self-indulgent slop.

In other news, it's getting harder and harder to deal with my breakup.

This was my first love and I'm hitting a hard wall of reality being back in the States.

Worst thing to do is what I'm doing right now. Crown and coke and thinking.

Bygone raptures make future favours. What's lost is mystery; the rest is history. You'll be ok, guy.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Yes and yes. Being in touch with what touches is paramount; no range of emotion has autonomy on this. It's rather Nietzschean; you must know the absence of anything worthwhile to know what is worth loving. Any wallowing on either end of the spectrum is just that; self-indulgent slop.

Basically this, yep.

Yea... I know.

The last six months have been a mind fuck, though.

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Originally posted by OrangestO In other news, it's getting harder and harder to deal with my breakup. This was my first love and I'm hitting a hard wall of reality being back in the States. Worst thing to do is what I'm doing right now. Crown and coke and thinking.

As trite as it sounds, you'll be okay, man. It's merely gonna suck for a long time before it gets better.

Now don't drink too much

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Originally posted by Lews However, if I had to choose, I'd go with myopicly depressing art over colorful unicorns any day

What about colorful and depressing?

In terms of music thats why I love The Raveonettes, their songs sound upbeat but are usually about rape and suicide and torrid love and sexual promiscuity.


Also I am watching the latest Evangelion movie and its very colorful but pretty wtf.

I never thought happy memories could be so painful to remember.

Drink too much? I won't.

I'm just reflecting and that's probably doing more harm than the alcohol, right now.

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