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The Iraq war isn't just for oil....

It's for contractors, too. (Specifically those connedted to the Bush administration)

take a look: http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=6288

...and to put some heat on Iran and Syria.

Halliburton....Dick Cheney's old company is in iraq. nuff said

and to focus the whole 9/11 anger on something

.. and to use this for political reasosn for re-election.

Frankly I am worried about the post-war too and completely deplore such tactics but I wish people would just see that regardless, the Iraqis are now in a vastly improved situation than before.

jesus you guys are like a bad trip on acid.

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Originally posted by Cracka-X jesus you guys are like a bad trip on acid.

haha. never experienced, but they both dont sound fun

>JM<

Re: The Iraq war isn't just for oil....

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Originally posted by cougar23 It's for contractors, too. (Specifically those connedted to the Bush administration) take a look: http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=6288

LOOK PEOPLE GET A CLUE ... THE MONEY THAT GOES TO CONTRACTS COMMMMMMMESSSS YES COOMMMEMSSSS COMMMMESSS COMMMEESSSS FROM THE US GOVERNMENT!!! SO PLEASE ... STOP POSTING THIS BULLSHIT. WHY fucking AWARD US MONEY TO FRANCE WHO DID JACK SHIT TO LIBERATE IRAQ????

I think the point is that it seems like a conflict of intrests. Cheney's ex-employers gettings contracts.

Lets forget about the war for a second here.

What if for example, Mr Bush gives a contract to a company that his friend own!! Wouldn't you shout "foul" ?

Except you have to take into consideration that Halliburton was the company that extinguished the first gulf war fires. Many people ignore this fact and immediately jump to the conclusion of foul play.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek What if for example, Mr Bush gives a contract to a company that his friend own!! Wouldn't you shout "foul" ?

Well fucking obviously, why would he give the contract to a stranger?

You learn in life to support your friends, and if it supports the country at the same time, then its even better!

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Originally posted by fastmp3 and to focus the whole 9/11 anger on something

9-11 was taken care of.

This war was to finish off what they had started in '91. Bush Sr. couldnt do it, so Jr. will do it for him. besides, saddam shouldnt be in power anyways.

Diverting national money into gold plated faucets and his bank accounts... Even rappers dont ball like saddam did.

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Originally posted by occrider Except you have to take into consideration that Halliburton was the company that extinguished the first gulf war fires. Many people ignore this fact and immediately jump to the conclusion of foul play.

sorry but it wasn't the only company doing so, there was a kuwaiti company and a canadian one. 3-4 companies in all I think.

france and russia are just in tears that they wont get their oil contracts honoured with a post-war iraqi government.

and now the iraqi ambassador to the un has conceeded 'the game is over', where is he heading?

france.

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Originally posted by sifntj0r france and russia are just in tears that they wont get their oil contracts honoured with a post-war iraqi government. and now the iraqi ambassador to the un has conceeded 'the game is over', where is he heading? france.

are you implying that the "free" Iraqi govt won't be "free" to decide to who he might award his oil contracts? All this talk about puppet regime might be true after all

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LOOK PEOPLE GET A CLUE ... THE MONEY THAT GOES TO CONTRACTS COMMMMMMMESSSS YES COOMMMEMSSSS COMMMMESSS COMMMEESSSS FROM THE US GOVERNMENT!!! SO PLEASE ... STOP POSTING THIS BULLSHIT. WHY fucking AWARD US MONEY TO FRANCE WHO DID JACK SHIT TO LIBERATE IRAQ????

Look, man, do I have to spell it out for you?! The point is that these contracts were signed in secret, without any allowed competeion from US competitors either. But I guess you just browsed over that article and assumed you knew everything, right? If Clinton did something like that, there'd already be an impeachment trial in progress, and conservatives would be screaming their lungs out on talk radio, etc. But no, the "liberally biased media" barely even probes treasonous acts like these. The point is, the Bush administration will let no one get in their way, even other Americans.

Go to hell, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. And Ari Fleicher, too.

you forget Perle and Feith

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Originally posted by occrider Except you have to take into consideration that Halliburton was the company that extinguished the first gulf war fires. Many people ignore this fact and immediately jump to the conclusion of foul play.

If you didn't have your head up your ass, you would know that the multi-million dollar contract handed over to Halliburton themselves was why they were putting out those fires. As if they are "earning" their right to be there.

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Originally posted by occrider LOOK PEOPLE GET A CLUE ... THE MONEY THAT GOES TO CONTRACTS COMMMMMMMESSSS YES COOMMMEMSSSS COMMMMESSS COMMMEESSSS FROM THE US GOVERNMENT!!! SO PLEASE ... STOP POSTING THIS BULLSHIT. WHY fucking AWARD US MONEY TO FRANCE WHO DID JACK SHIT TO LIBERATE IRAQ????

As I was reading yesterday, the problem was that this companies had knowledge and information that not even congressmans nor representatives had, so basically it was done in secret, as said, in order to just benefit that one company. I know that the money came from the US, but not from Halliburton, and the only people that will benefit from this are... Cheney's friend, and him ofcourse, someway or another, as if the money came from them, but no..

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Originally posted by cougar23 Look, man, do I have to spell it out for you?! The point is that these contracts were signed in secret, without any allowed competeion from US competitors either. But I guess you just browsed over that article and assumed you knew everything, right? If Clinton did something like that, there'd already be an impeachment trial in progress, and conservatives would be screaming their lungs out on talk radio, etc. But no, the "liberally biased media" barely even probes treasonous acts like these. The point is, the Bush administration will let no one get in their way, even other Americans. Go to hell, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. And Ari Fleicher, too.

YES there were US competitors. Read other articles than just one on the issue more carefully. You'll find that there is important information that is left out of this article. For example Cheney's "payments" from halliburton are his payments that he would recieve ANYWAY when he left the company. Instead of a lump sum payment he chose to recieve payments spread out over time. Not exactly the most impartial source out there. Halliburton was picked by the PENTAGON not BUSH among several different companies.

Oh so now you're saying that they were illegally given the contract in the first gulf war as well?? THEY EARNED the right to be there by doing a good job of extinguishing hte first gulf war fires.

Nice post Vesa.

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Originally posted by occrider YES there were US competitors. Read other articles than just one on the issue more carefully. You'll find that there is important information that is left out of this article. For example Cheney's "payments" from halliburton are his payments that he would recieve ANYWAY when he left the company. Instead of a lump sum payment he chose to recieve payments spread out over time. Not exactly the most impartial source out there. Halliburton was picked by the PENTAGON not BUSH among several different companies. Oh so now you're saying that they were illegally given the contract in the first gulf war as well?? THEY EARNED the right to be there by doing a good job of extinguishing hte first gulf war fires.

Well, here's part of the article:

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The contract, which was not announced until more than two weeks after it was awarded, was open-ended, with no time limits and no dollar limits. It was also a "cost-plus" contract, meaning that the company is guaranteed to recover costs and then make a guaranteed profit on top of that. Its value is estimated at tens of millions of dollars.

I don't see any evidence of US competition here, or in any other article about this matter. And they're not suggesting that Cheney getting paid by this corporation is wrong, they're suggesting that the payments indicate the close ties he has with that corporation. This, in turn is evidence that the contract was awarded to Cheney's friends in the business world. Wake up, man! The Bush administration is riddled with shady business connections, even worse than other presidents. Kenneth Lay, big time crook and ruiner of thousands of people's lives, was good friends with the Bush family, he was even an advisor to Bush before he got arrested.

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Originally posted by cougar23 Well, here's part of the article: I don't see any evidence of US competition here, or in any other article about this matter. And they're not suggesting that Cheney getting paid by this corporation is wrong, they're suggesting that the payments indicate the close ties he has with that corporation. This, in turn is evidence that the contract was awarded to Cheney's friends in the business world. Wake up, man! The Bush administration is riddled with shady business connections, even worse than other presidents. Kenneth Lay, big time crook and ruiner of thousands of people's lives, was good friends with the Bush family, he was even an advisor to Bush before he got arrested.

Ah ok I admit defeat. I was confused by this reuters article:

NO COMMENT ON CONTRACTS

A Halliburton spokeswoman declined to speculate on "what may or may not happen with regards to Iraq."

She referred all queries to the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) and the U.S. Agency for International Development, which both said that contracts for fighting fires and rebuilding Iraq's infrastructure have yet to be awarded. Neither agency would disclose whether Halliburton had submitted any bids.

Other companies that could bid for firefighting contracts include Boots & Coots International Well Control Inc. WEL.A , Canada's Safety Boss Inc., RPC Inc.'s RES.N Cudd Pressure Control and Superior Energy Services Inc.'s SPN.N Wild Well Control Inc.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle....storyID=2431755

which implied there was competition. At any rate I agree with you that this contract is suspect (although it would be difficult to imagine cheney benefiting in any way ... it's more likely he just unfairly expressed assurances as to his former company's competance). So I agree in teh sense there should have been competitors however, I disagree that European firms should have a stake in the matter since it's the US government that is footing the bill.

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Originally posted by Vesa In contrast, the Arab Anti-War people have been well aware about the Iraq Invasion's PNAC background. They have alternately called the Iraq Invasion as "Pro-Israel", "Neo-Colonialist", "Attack Against Islam" or some other term, but what they mean is "PNAC Plan For Changing The Middle-East". This was widely discussed in the Arab League's meeting before the invasion, and is currently the leading headline in many Arab newspapers online.

yes to that! When arabs state that this or that is Pro-Israeli because the Israeli lobby (to be polite) in Washington are getting their agendas thru, we get called anti-semite... (how funny to be called anti-semite when you're a semite)

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Then overextending "Syria is not being humble, so perhaps we should invade them" (40% of Americans already support the idea!).

Thats why I think polls are dangerous, the US govt is soleley basing itself upon its results, giving it legitimacy, whereupon any staticians would tell you that statistics can be bent and make it say whatever one want it to be said.

If tomorow morning, we would make a poll in the USA saying that:

"Should the US govt invade Malawi because they pose a threat to the US?" a good portion would vote "for" maybe something alongside those 40%. With some PR and CNN "analysts" and ex-generals comenting, it would raise easily to 60%+

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