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Posted by FuzzyGreen on Apr-10-2003 20:59:

VERY Pro American but will not vote for Bush again

Whatever I deleted all of this because Cyrus King and Ahmalek are dicks.

Posted by occrider on Apr-10-2003 21:04:

Re: VERY Pro American but will not vote for Bush again

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
As I've made it very clear here, I'm extremely pro American, but I will not vote for Bush again. I agree with his policies towards Iraq, but that is about it. Here are the reasons why:

1. Withdrawing from 5 peace treaties since he took office. Some widthdraws were manditory for US security, but he didn't do any PR to smooth it over.

2. Refusing to talk with North Korea. We should never, ever step away from peace talks.

3. Not traveling to other countries and meeting other presidents/prime ministers. Alienating some countries in the process.

4. Bad Charisma. At least Clinton was a good public speaker and he had charisma.

5. Not being vocal. A US president needs good Public relations and lots of it.

6. Saying that we will send billions in aid to Africa for AIDS.

7. His crappy/extreme "just say no" type stance on drugs.

8. Giving citizenship to Mexican illegal immagrants. They are here illegally, they are breaking the law, why reward that?

9. No giving states more money for the war on terrorism/security

10. For not promoting our efforts in Afganistan more.

Your ideas please...

Wow someone else who thinks the same way Also very pro american and I agree with Iraq, but I too will not be voting for Bush again. The things he did, needed to be achieved with force yet it could have been handled far more diplomatically.

Posted by IronDragon on Apr-10-2003 21:07:

Quite spot on. Then again, I've always been a democrat (at least more left-leaning than right-leaning).

Posted by occrider on Apr-10-2003 21:21:

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Originally posted by IronDragon
Quite spot on. Then again, I've always been a democrat (at least more left-leaning than right-leaning).

I'm a mix ... I'm republican in the sense of economic policies and democratic when it comes to civil liberties. Also I can't stand religious beliefs intermingling with the government. The two should always remain independant of one another. Even if it means taking out the "in god we trust" out of the pledge of allegiance.

Posted by malek on Apr-10-2003 21:56:

6. Saying that we will send billions in aid to Africa for AIDS.

how can this a bad thing?? Am I missing something?

Posted by IronDragon on Apr-10-2003 22:07:

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Originally posted by ahlamalek
6. Saying that we will send billions in aid to Africa for AIDS.

how can this a bad thing?? Am I missing something?

Of course it isn't on the surface. Check out this article from liberal mag The American Prospect

http://www.prospect.org/print/V14/4/franke-ruta-g.html

That being said, I will certainly be happy if/when he delivers but it would not make me punch his name in the ballot box come '04

Posted by Izzy on Apr-10-2003 22:51:

Re: VERY Pro American but will not vote for Bush again

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
8. Giving citizenship to Mexican illegal immagrants. They are here illegally, they are breaking the law, why reward that?

cheap labour

Posted by Cyrus King on Apr-10-2003 23:29:

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
It's a bad thing because it's my money. These are MY tax dollars that are going to Africa. Also, I don't think that providing Aid to Africa will help anything, in fact it could make matters worse. What we need to do is put more money into AIDs research and stop the problem at its source, not put bandaids on problems which could allow the problem to spread and get worse.

Let me put it this way:

If you give a man a fish he will eat for a day, if you teach a man to fish, he will eat for a lifetime.

The billions that they are spending on this war which you advocate, could be spent to research this cure AND feed many hungry mouths in this world.

You want to liberate people?? Liberate the 43 million people infected by the clutches of HIV and AIDS! But that hasnt reaked havoc on white suburbia so its ignored!

Posted by occrider on Apr-10-2003 23:35:

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Originally posted by Cyrus King
The billions that they are spending on this war which you advocate, could be spent to research this cure AND feed many hungry mouths in this world.

You want to liberate people?? Liberate the 43 million people infected by the clutches of HIV and AIDS! But that hasnt reaked havoc on white suburbia so its ignored!

Why do people keep critisizing the US government to do these things ... critisize your OWN government and ask why THEY are not spending billions to liberate people from AIDS. You don't see very many americans questioning why canada or europe isnt spending more money on africa ...

You express concern for human life??? Have you ever expressed desire for your OWN country to be more proactive in contributing towards humanitarian aid??? Everybody likes to play the blame game and is reluctant to accept responsibility for their own country's inactions.

Posted by ZinG on Apr-10-2003 23:44:

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Originally posted by occrider
Why do people keep critisizing the US government to do these things ... critisize your OWN government and ask why THEY are not spending billions to liberate people from AIDS. You don't see very many americans questioning why canada or europe isnt spending more money on africa ...

You express concern for human life??? Have you ever expressed desire for your OWN country to be more proactive in contributing towards humanitarian aid??? Everybody likes to play the blame game and is reluctant to accept responsibility for their own country's inactions.

occrider so why does US stick their noze in other country's business?

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8. Giving citizenship to Mexican illegal immagrants. They are here illegally, they are breaking the law, why reward that?

Who'se gonna do all the dirty work?

Posted by occrider on Apr-11-2003 00:08:

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Originally posted by ZinG
occrider so why does US stick their noze in other country's business?

Yes in retrospect we should not have interfered in WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo, Somalia, Rwanda (which we didn't), etc.!

Posted by malek on Apr-11-2003 00:10:

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Originally posted by occrider
Yes in retrospect we should not have interfered in WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo, Somalia, Rwanda (which we didn't), etc.!

daed on mate!

Posted by occrider on Apr-11-2003 00:18:

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Originally posted by ZinG
Who'se gonna do all the dirty work?

Dirty americans

Posted by LiquidX on Apr-11-2003 01:26:

Re: VERY Pro American but will not vote for Bush again

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
8. Giving citizenship to Mexican illegal immagrants. They are here illegally, they are breaking the law, why reward that?

- Well, I agree with the rest of things you've said, and I would actually add more. But this about giving citizenship to illegal Mexicans, well, Im sure he hasen't done that. Also, this illegal imigrants are the workforce on farming and all the agricultural jobs, and well, without them we wouldn't be getting all the foods and lots of other things, americans don't do that kind of job, they do, and by making legal all the illegal imigrants, will pump up the economy so much, I'm not talking just about the mexican ones, there's so many illegal professionals out there that will pump up the economy, so if tomorrow every imigrant becomes a resident lets say, a pay a fine of lets say $3,000 each one, imagine how much money the gov'y will get just from that, plus, the income tax collection and so on, it will generate so much money, plus they will spend more since they will have a stable job and so on.. even Greenspan said it.

Posted by biznology on Apr-11-2003 14:28:

giving citzenship to Mexican immigrants is not necessarily such a bad thing. there have always been govt policies to encourage and allow the shift of immigration when labor was needed (ie the 1950s). and if the US had allowed Mexico to build up its industrial infrastructure at the same pace as the US, instead of taking that labor for granted, it wouldnt be a problem.

its the same problem with Africa. sure, you dont want your money going to Africa, but then again Africa was decimated by slave trading and colonialization. tho those problems arent squarely *only* american.

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If you give a man a fish he will eat for a day, if you teach a man to fish, he will eat for a lifetime.

you cant teach a person to cure himself of AIDS, but prevention measures have to come from somewhere. not helping is like pretending the black plague never existed...

Posted by deejay2002 on Apr-11-2003 15:36:

i am voting for BUSH in 2004 no matter what......

Posted by DaveSZ on Apr-11-2003 15:50:

Re: VERY Pro American but will not vote for Bush again

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen

8. Giving citizenship to Mexican illegal immagrants. They are here illegally, they are breaking the law, why reward that?

Your ideas please...

I'm sure they probably built the house/apartment you live in, and picked the produce you've eaten in the past week. Some of them also fought and died (including my Great-grandfather) so that you could be free to speak your hatred towards them....

We need immigration reform...one of the only things I agree with Bush about.

Posted by ZinG on Apr-11-2003 18:37:

well he's only doing it for cooperate america man

Posted by DaveSZ on Apr-11-2003 19:11:

True.

Posted by Cyrus King on Apr-11-2003 20:28:

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Posted by LiquidX on Apr-11-2003 21:10:

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
Well, since I am half Latino I would say that you are wrong about the hatred part. My Mexican-immigrant grandfather fought in WW2 in the pacific. This has nothing to do with hatred. This has to do with breaking laws and border control. As for the house I live in, well, it was built by a construction company, and I seriously doubt that they used illegal labor for it. Especially when you consider the strict building codes they have to meet (trust me, I know, I just fished helping my dad build his house). As for agriculture, if the illegal immigrants were made legal then they could get minimum wage and then the price of produce would go through the roof so I seriouly doubt that this is about cheap labor. BTW, I have a lot of LEGAL immigrant family that works as California farm workers and California is the biggest produce producer in the world. Can you guys start giving me some educated/experienced replies now?

LoL dude, you tell us to give educated/experience replies and so on, and at least in my eyes you are the one looking bad. First of all, farmers in California and all over the farming states, there is illegal imigrants working, as well in construction areas, maybe not building the 5 stars hotels, but other things, they do the painting, they do the gardening, and a bunch of other things that Americans won't do, and that's why the US government it's not going to the farming industries to raid them. For more info to you, why do you think Vicente Fox (Mexican president) came to talk to Bush?!?! About the Oil in mexico and, for Bush to legalize all the illegal imigrants working here, and have them become residents or have benefits such as health care and so on, also, they are cheap labor as mentioned. And well, they aren't only mexicans but also from other central american countries. Many don't just cross the borders but come through VISA and just stay passed the time due their stay.

And for my own experience, here in Florida, I know many of contractors and companies that have illegal imigrants painting buildings, working on the gardening, passing out newspapers, changing floor tiles, and a bunch bunch of other works. And this imigrants didn't come from the borders, but through the airports. So man, you can't come and say that they come and do the bad things here, in fact, they stabilize the economy, and the US government does not want to recognize that, but if you remove all the illegal imigrants, then we are talking big problem. I know that them crossing the borders is bad and stuff, I know, then the job there is to reinforce that part, but, after all, the US ends up winning. Remove all the illegal imigrants from those areas I mentioned, and pray for food man.

From what I read from you, I take it as if you would rather have the borders reinforced, but heaviny illegal imigrants not getting the citizenship, it's worst then heaving them not legal. Just do some logical thinking about.

Posted by Cyrus King on Apr-11-2003 21:18:

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
I see what you are saying. I'll think about it. I have no response at this time.

OWNED

Posted by Cyrus King on Apr-11-2003 21:22:

I would love that

Posted by Cyrus King on Apr-11-2003 21:26:

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
I bet you would , you slack-jawed, knocked-kneed, no good, god damn, dick licking, freeloading, golden showers lovin, son of a donkey fucking bitch.

How old are you again?

Posted by Cyrus King on Apr-11-2003 21:31:

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
Oviously older then you little tike.

Im not asking you a question you moron, im implying the level of immaturity you espouse throught the childish name calling you so weakmindedly use to make you feel better.... espescially on the net. Grow up

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