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chaos and anarchy in Baghdad
just on the news in Holland (I wonder why they don't mention this on www.cnn.com 
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I have this dutch article from a (credible) news-site: http://www.nu.nl/news.jsp?n=132614&c=23
it is dutch so you can't read it but you can verify it with someone who is dutch. I will try to say some stuff from what's in the article.
There is some heavy looting going on in Baghdad. Shopowners shoot people who are trying to steal merchandise from their shops. The situation is very hectic, there are no policemen in the neighbourhood. The American soldiers watch it and do nothing about it. A Reuters-journalist witnessed someone being shot in their car, the driver was removed from the car and the car was stolen.
there is also some other war-related stuff in the article but this is my main point.
Post your thoughts about this one...
well, there is nobody to 'Police' the cities.... there's no government....
some people say that 'they're taking back what belongs to them', like getting back at saddam..... but i think it's going a bit to far.
I wouldn't call it anarchy just yet.....
Something should be done really fast to deal with it tho.
This is entirely predictable. Hopefully, order is restored soon. What else would you do, though, if you had no government, no economy, no police, no job, little food, and a lot of pent up rage?
Best of luck to all the Iraqis...
Yes, I am worried about the post war too but I'm sure this all is to be expected. As soon as the actual combat is over (I'm assuming 24-72 hours from now) they'll get to restoring law and order.
i posted a thread about this too ..
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=100694
Much of the civil disorder is not only caused by lack of a police force, but also due to sectarian violence it seems. I also remember hearing on the news that the military are being told not to intervene because they are not trained to perform policing type work and that if they attempted to it might seem like an occupation. One lady who lives in Baghdad but lived a few years in the States told one reporter that there are bandits who are coming from the outskirts and into the city to loot and pillage. She was afraid and complained to one soldier that they should do something to stop the chaos. Baghdad is a city of about 5 million, that's pretty scary if you ask me! I'm sure the same would happen in any city under similar circumstances..
One major problem I can see coming is the role of peacekeepers. the UN want to send peace keepers into the region to help stabilize it, but the US seems to want UN intervention limited to a more minor role. This will be interesting to see how it all plays out..
i think the whole deal about restoring order to the country might be a little bit more complicated than many people had originally thought.
Marines Brace for Street Patrols
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=1514&e=25&u=/afp/20030411/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_war_baghdad_patrols_030411174808
I heard there will be a curfew.
Re: chaos and anarchy in Baghdad
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| Originally posted by Blik I wonder why they don't mention this on www.cnn.com ) |
Re: Re: chaos and anarchy in Baghdad
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| Originally posted by JM watch some Fox news, or some MSNBC, which are closer towards the middle ground. >JM< |
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/me joins cougar23 in the endless laughing 
I got a couple thoughts about this, but Ill post it later.
Re: Re: chaos and anarchy in Baghdad
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| Originally posted by JM watch some Fox news, or some MSNBC, which are closer towards the middle ground. >JM< |
- Yes I like CBS, is pretty good. Also, ABC is good too. I remember that one reporter that was showing like dead soldiers and stuff, and he was asked by the guy that sits on the desk of why he was showing that, and then the reporter told him that it was needed to show the people what this war is also about.. So ABC, CBS and BBC do it for me.
and OH by the way.. FOX NEWS<< People look like puppets, robots, I don;t know, plastic dominated controled brains talking. They look so fake!!! that's a channel that works as an example of PROPAGANDA or DOMINATED and controlled.
Geeze Blik, what are you getting all worked up about? Didn't you see the presentation by Rumsfeld the other day? There's not *actual* anarchy breaking out, it's just the same video of one guy stealing a vase being stolen over and over again... ... ...
Meanwhile non-US media is showing the widespread nature of the looting and chaos...and Rummy's still talking about having "a lot of confidence in the US people" to not believe the media coverage of the chaos...sadly, I might be inclined to agree with him, if the government says jump a large portion of the country is all too willing to go along at this point.
Bush has been as brilliant as ever recently too...did you catch the "I reminded them that war in Iraq is really about peace." quote from his visit to see wounded soldiers in DC yesterday?
You can really see how Orwellian things are getting at this point...
there are sum good articles on www.truthout.org abt the situation in baghdad rite now
Iraq's national museum plundered
Site was home to artifacts dating back thousands of years
Whereabouts of Hammurabi's Code unknown
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154
omg.. !! what a tradgedy .. i'm not Iraqi or an Arab for that matter, but i'm a fan of antiquity history and this is just tragic !! and very sad news and bad for any culture!.. i feel so bad for those curators and historians ..
There's mad anarchy over there. Rumself just responded that they are free and that's what happens when people become free.
this is just awful.. i mean there's one thing being FREE from a regime.. but being FREE from any LAW and ORDER ?? if this was happening in my own city i'd be fearing for my life .. !
why didn't the coaliton bring in law enforcement as soon as they secured most of the city.. ? what's the point of waiting a week to do it. i know that there are still pockets of resistance.. but there will still be even when law enforcement is in place.. so what's with the delay .. ? the museum tradgedy and hospital looting could have been prevented earlier ..
well there were literally thousands of iraqis doing the looting and stuff..and dont forget being seen by the iraqis as the good guys is very important to the coalition...the number of ppl. ransacking shops and stuff was far greater than the number of iraqis trying to stop them...the coalition prolly figured if they tried to do anything now the many poor iraqis would resent it, since this is a real opportunity for them to get stuff for free (TVs, furniture, expensive antiques, money, etc. etc.)...so they just let them be
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| Originally posted by dEsidEL Iraq's national museum plundered Site was home to artifacts dating back thousands of years Whereabouts of Hammurabi's Code unknown http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154 omg.. !! what a tradgedy .. i'm not Iraqi or an Arab for that matter, but i'm a fan of antiquity history and this is just tragic !! and very sad news and bad for any culture!.. i feel so bad for those curators and historians .. |
the biggest tragedy is that the whole museum has been looted...there were incredibly old and valuable items in there...they had stuff from 3000 BC from the sumerian era, and its all gone now
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| Originally posted by AnotherWay83 the biggest tragedy is that the whole museum has been looted...there were incredibly old and valuable items in there...they had stuff from 3000 BC from the sumerian era, and its all gone now |
thats truly sad. such history is priceless, iraq is the cradle of civilization and has had many important and great dates in the history of mankind, its a shame we are losing the relics which would bridge the past to the present. 
Sad thing about the museum . It's not like the US forces couldn't have sent several marines to guard such places ov value, so the people who were supposed to organize post-war Iraq (if Bush remembered to assign anybody to do that) should be held responsible. But that just points out what I and several other people have said here before. The US leadership has only focused on planning of the invasion itself, while it neglected all the other aspects of governing the occupied areas of Iraq afterwards.
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Yes the Administration had supposedly been warned since January now by experts in the fields of art and archaeology in the US that this museum would be a prime target for looters if and when Baghdad was wrested from Saddam's control. I'd say this was poor planning by the Administration (i.e. not enough troops and resources to occupy in "Rummy's Rush to Baghdad!" warplan)....I just hope this is not a sign of things to come.
Now marines are going on patrol with Iraqi policeman ... hopefully the situation will be resolved soon:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2945971.stm
Heh, now that everything has been looted from the museum they're not of much use anymore.
Btw, in the meantime, the Iraqi national library cought on fire while being looted, so most of the ancient documents from it are now either stolen or burned.
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