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The techno dilemma.........

I'm sure we all visit a non-music related board every now and then, and have all ran into atleast one thread with the following title "anyone know any good techno?"

Anyway, in todays world, there is a STRONG confusion currently on the word techno and what it really is in todays music industry. The problem with this dilemma, is technically, neither sides are wrong. Unfortunately in todays music world, if someone who watches MTV asks you what you listen to, you can't help but throw the words tribal or detroit right in front of techno. Simply to show you don't mean the "entire" category as they know techno to be, to avoid any explanation for a lost cause. However, they're not exactly wrong. At one point, techno was completely different than what it is today.

I guess what really bothers me about this situation, is techno itself, isnt getting the justification/respect I believe it deserves today. I honestly could care less if anyone else listens to it, however, what BOTHERS me is to see someone classify popular trance DJs, as techno. IMO its complete mislabeling and solid ignorance.

Fact is, if 1000 un-educated listeners asked ME for techno, I can assure you, 90% would reply and say "no, i want that stuff I hear at the local club". Infact, every mainstream club go-er has probably never REALLY heard the techno as we know it today. Unfortunately, the problem is even more of a problem in europe, where you will NOT hear anything related to liebing or rush in a "techno club".

Fortunately we're able to easily distinguish what people mean when they want techno, but just as people have been able to differentiate and seperate rnb, rap, and hip hop, it'd be nice if they could do the same with "dance". I guess this is all just one of the many sacrifices or "sufferings" we have to live with as long as this music world is underground (in the US atleast). I thank the lord it is everyday, and if this is all I have to deal with to keep it that way, it could go on forever for all I care.

any comments/opinions are welcomed.

Dude, I totally understand your plight here. But..

Quite frankly, unless electronic music is a cultured thing in your area (as it is in Europe)- you can not expect people to point out the differences. The reason people in your area can distinguish between rap/hiphop/rnb is because urban music styles are already infested into thier everyday culture.

People in detroit i bet can distinguish detroit techno from other forms of electronic music, for example.


Instead of using the word "techno" as an umbrella term for all dance music, they should use "electronic" instead.

yo, bro, listen 2 ma techno ejay beatz!!!!!1


now, seriously, its a real pain in the ass that they call it "techno" instead of "dance", or "electronic" or something. but this just goes to show how underground the techno scene is, like 99% of the ppl that use the word dunno wtf they're talking about, lol.

if techno was all electronica then rap is techno, haha.
eminem doesn't even know his own genre of music

i feel u....

prime example: tomaz vs filterheadz - sunshine and i love techno theme

often mistaken for not being techno (even by people who been listening for awhile!)

yeah, there is huge confussion about techno. I've been wondering myself as well, let alone people who classify every electronic genre as "Dance". Which really pisses me off. Some friend of mine, when I told him I'd get by a store to get a few vinyls told me, hey, get one or 2 for me as well. Techno preferably. And when I told him to give me a better description about what exactly he would like, he said, get me some atb or sth. and I was...
At first I told him that |Atb| isn't really connected with techno and then explaining that he has a really false idea of what techno is. And that he probably hasn't heard any techno tracks for the last 7 years You can't expect to hear techno from the radio!!!!

Anyhow, can you say a few names connected with techno?
I have forgotten a few I knew.-I don't really know how this can happen to a music addict like myself. shame on me!

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Originally posted by icedale Anyhow, can you say a few names connected with techno? I have forgotten a few I knew.-I don't really know how this can happen to a music addict like myself. shame on me!

Jeff Mills
Adam Beyer
Umek
Gaetano Parisio
Chris Liebing
Renato Cohen
Bryan Zentz

"what do you listen to?"
"trance and tribal and stuff"
"is that like darude?"

*inarticulate scream of rage as their head gets knocked off their shoulders

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Originally posted by Orbax "what do you listen to?" "trance and tribal and stuff" "is that like darude?" *inarticulate scream of rage as their head gets knocked off their shoulders

Sandstorm was one of the most impacting trance tracks ever, whether you like it or not. It just got overplayed, like PPK - ResuRection.

and who gives a fuck about people calling all the dance music techno? if they like it - then please, i will just have another reason for a smile

sandstorm was important till it ruined everything

heh, like I said, It really doesn't matter to me what they call, one benefit is it sure as hell lets you know REAL QUICK who knows whats going on and who doesn't.

As far as sandstorm, yeah, it was a major "break through" , unfortunately it got over played like a hooker in brooklyn, then eventually completely dropped, crashed, and burned until incineration. I still remember the first night I heard that track ON THE RADIO. I admit, I did have some giggles here and there simply because I had remembered hearing it in jules set from years and years ago. Ahhh, this country, isn't it great?

Anyway, before we confuse the hell out of any new guys readin this, darude is not techno, infact, im not sure how that track really got into this thread, but iz ok.

Anyway, long live techno.

What can we do to change it? If a person likes electronic music, explain to them what the differences are. If they don't like it... what difference will it make for them? It's like teaching a tranceaddict the differences between punk-rock and punk-ska: if he doesn't listen to it, why would he want to learn more about it? It's not like they will become better people just because of this extra info.

Nobody needs to be an encyclopedia after all

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Originally posted by Maaz What can we do to change it? If a person likes electronic music, explain to them what the differences are. If they don't like it... what difference will it make for them? It's like teaching a tranceaddict the differences between punk-rock and punk-ska: if he doesn't listen to it, why would he want to learn more about it? It's not like they will become better people just because of this extra info. Nobody needs to be an encyclopedia after all

its just a matter of mislabeling. The only people talking about it, as "techno" are usually un-educated listeners, either talking positive or negative. I'm sure the positive talkers would like to label properly, especially if they're asking for some, and the negative talking people, should be able to properly label something their criticizing in the first place.

Like I said, it doesn't matter to me. Mislabeling is one of the many signs that its all still really underground. Again, its more of a focus towards those criticizing a music they can't even lable correctly. It really shows their knowledge on the entire subject in the first palce.

when someone hears a 4x4 beat pattern...
they just call it "techno" or "dance" music

it really does piss me off sometimes...
i'm just wondering... what was the cause of ppl calling trance music "techno music"??

isn't trance just as popular as techno?

Not to be off-topic but this situation is similar to the way the word "punk" is thrown around today. It could be traced back to mainstream outlets like MTV...all they have to do is make up a new label for something and all of a sudden millions of mindless idiots are out corrupting everything it has to do with.
Anyway, I always use the term 'electronic music' when I refer to the whole spectrum, I never used 'techno' and always have hated 'electronica' since I first heard it. Like someone else said, people who are uneducated aren't likely to know that techno doesn't describe it all like electronic music does.

damn just last nite, i was explaining to a friend of mine what techno really is..

its really annoying when u see those ignoring ppl referring to darude's music as techno in an r'n'b world like this!

but the thing is guys, we are all extreme fanatics when it comes to trance, house, techno, progressive.. whatever it be we are most probably some of the most clued up people there are maybe in the world when it comes to this.. but not everyone knows that this is called tech-trance and of thats progressive/tribal house

and as much as it may anger you, im sure you couldnt spit out all the different rock genres that there are amoungst the rock crowd.. just like when u hear some ta's saying 'oh fuck that shit rock music' it might be something completely different and you could equally be pissing off people who are rock fans.. so think before you bitch about people calling pvd techno and so on..

personally, im not one to criticize other music, and probably the last person to sit in the "I dont know a damn thing, but i'll act like I do" seat.

We must face the facts tho, this country is better off in the dark when it comes to electronic. Electronic has peaked its head out several times, some people took a bite, while most ignored. In the american music industry, the LAST thing you want is something at the top, because you can be sure it'll fall back to the bottom in no time, and pretty much never go back up.

Like I said before, all this mislabeling is all due to lack of education on the music. But I counter-attacked that with how it is also a positive thing, atleast in this country and with this mainstream music industry.

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Originally posted by mos man but the thing is guys, we are all extreme fanatics when it comes to trance, house, techno, progressive.. whatever it be we are most probably some of the most clued up people there are maybe in the world when it comes to this.. but not everyone knows that this is called tech-trance and of thats progressive/tribal house and as much as it may anger you, im sure you couldnt spit out all the different rock genres that there are amoungst the rock crowd.. just like when u hear some ta's saying 'oh fuck that shit rock music' it might be something completely different and you could equally be pissing off people who are rock fans.. so think before you bitch about people calling pvd techno and so on..

good point!

if i say i listen to techno, which i usually try to avoid doing, its because that *other* person is an idiot and wont know what im talking about unless i say that - or they will be even more of an asshole about it if i try to go above their heads.

if they are interested in what i like, then i continue trying to explain differences.

...oh! and dont assume that people in Europe necessarily know more about the genres just because thats where they developed and became popular (tho techno didnt only develop here). most of our beloved 'trance' here is just pop club music to them and nothing else. and outside of germany most peeps dont know shit about techno|

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Originally posted by biznology ...oh! and dont assume that people in Europe necessarily know more about the genres just because thats where they developed and became popular (tho techno didnt only develop here). most of our beloved 'trance' here is just pop club music to them and nothing else. and outside of germany most peeps dont know shit about techno|

You're right. People that attend parties here only like to listen to the minimal no-melody-whatsoever techno and regard trance as too commercial pop music. At regular discos they only play the cheesiest of trance like Lasgo and Ian van Dahl, and even that is not played often. So there's a sort of unfulfilled gap between those two where trance should fall in. It's too technoish for those who attend discos while it's too "cheesy" for those who listen to techno.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 You're right. People that attend parties here only like to listen to the minimal no-melody-whatsoever techno and regard trance as too commercial pop music. At regular discos they only play the cheesiest of trance like Lasgo and Ian van Dahl, and even that is not played often. So there's a sort of unfulfilled gap between those two where trance should fall in. It's too technoish for those who attend discos while it's too "cheesy" for those who listen to techno.

hmm yes, but speaking from Sweden i would say it is the opposite - and that is possibly worse! we all know Sweden gave us ABBA and that just means that Swedes love cheesy disco music. so therefore the trance has that terrifying leaning here. tis a shame, but we get some ok djs comin thru|

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Originally posted by jonnycarcinogen Anyway, I always use the term 'electronic music' when I refer to the whole spectrum, I never used 'techno' and always have hated 'electronica' since I first heard it.

Yeap, me too. Electronic music is most apropriate I think(spelling mistake?). And electronica just reminds me of high pitched sounds. Don't know why.

electronica makes me think of robot noises
ROBOT!!!!!!!!11

Re: The techno dilemma.........

It's true that most people here, like everywhere, get confused about "techno", but I'm not sure I agree with what you say about people in clubs here. In my local trance club I've often talked to people afterwards waiting for a taxi when everyone is totally mashed and most of the time they talk about Liebing and Beyer and so on. Most of them say they don't like it but they all know what it is.

If you talk to the charvas that might be a different story but seriously, speak to clubbers and you might find that many know more than you think.

In Berlin half the people I spoke to were into techno! (mind you this was the week after the love parade so the city was still packed with electronic music fans).

i think it's mostly in north america
'cuz we're ignorant
oh yeah, cristal

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