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Disappointed...

For those that move around a lot downtown, esp. on campus of your fav. Torontonian uni. (UofT or Ryerson or what-have-you), you'll know what I mean here:

I walk pass a lot of guys that hand out flyers to clubs and stuff, and I always pick them up to see what's going on etc.

And I'm so disappointed, because all of the clubs (at least that are being advertised on the street) are totally (from a TA perspective) boring crap!

I mean, if I had a dime for every club that features "funky house, r&b, soul, reggae, blahblahblah", I would be richer than Tiesto.

It's really disappointing, even sickening, that in a city that draws such huge trance stars (Tiesto, Ferry, Gielen, you name them, for pete's sake they probably played here!!!!) , and YET, the "mainstream underground" (oxymoron?) clubs rarely, if at all, feature trance.

Or maybe I'm just stupid and am missing something. But from what I can tell from word-of-mouth etc, and on this forum, is that trance is not a biggie in this city. (even if there are massive trance events at Viva, Guv, etc, as said above)

Thoughts, comments, corrections? I wonder if anyone shares my opinions.

(oh and when I say trance I mean prog too... also underrepresented, IMO... i mean... Deep Dish GU in Toronto.. for god's sake!! And yet, where is the prog for the average night out???).

yups.. i always get those flyers at school too on campus ..

the only ones that don't fit the exception are the ones handed out by Systems .. too bad they're also literred all over the floor a few feet away ..

and is trance big in TO .. ? yea sure ..

is it bigger than HipHop, R&B, Top40 .. ? nope not yet .. atleast i don't think so ..

guv and viva are afterhours clubs, normal clubs stick to the mainstream stuff

Awhile ago, I was in front of Robarts Library at U of T and on some of the lampposts, there were signs saying "Tech Trance Thursdays" or something like that. For sure, I thought that must have been a TA's work, but then... the sign disappeared later on.

Trance rules Europe

Progressive House rules North America

When you force feed the people only certain types of music, they are only going to like certain forms of music, period. Other than the internet, or at events where can you go to listen to proper trance? Absolutely no where.

itikia

It's really wierd in Hamilton because I often see flyers for drum n bass, breaks, and techno but never trance...and trance is way more mainstream than those types of music.

I also hate to see flyers littered everywhere..they must be expensive to make...and so many get wasted.

^^^^ Yeah, it's weird for sure... seems like Hamilton is more of a d'n'b town - rather surprising!

Actually I went with a very good friend of mine (who goes to McMac) to see Aphrodite at some club in Hamilton a while back (forgot the name). And yet I doubt they get any trance stars like that..

corsten_addict, I know exactly what you mean ! I also noticed some "Tech Trance Thursdays" fliers around at one point, but now I think they're all but gone (or ripped up etc.). That's more of a fact of flier life, though - you can always expect that someone else will soon put up a new flier over yours.

I know that trance is not big in this city, but it sucks that there is such a disparity between the "high-end" events (guv, viva) and the "normal" clubs. It's like they're mutually exclusive.

I mean, someone coming to Toronto to see the Tiesto and Armin events will get a (FALSE) sense that Toronto is a big trance city, because they will naturally suppose that the only way a city can have DJ's of that calibre is if the underlying club foundation already strongly supports trance.

Otherwise, it's like bringing in big country stars to Amsterdam. I.e. sure to fail.

So if there is such a huge disparity, I just *wonder* how we even got to have big trance events here at all? Was trance bigger in the past, or are there just some subtle marketing/business factors?

hey dont complain..u have our failthful Darkrave peeps posting photocopies all ove rthe school

actually, i was just talking about this to a buddy of mine and i concluded that the reason trance isn't mainstream is because ppl are spoon fed the other generes through TV or radio so they grow up liking a specfic thing because it's popular rather than it sounds good. When u don't have many options, chances are ur choice will not reach its full potential and u will get stuck at something bad rather than if u had more choices and given the right to choose for urself. ANYWAY, pretty much what Itika said.

NOW: i really don't know the solution to such problem(s) other than we should educated these people. Whenever anyone is over my house, they are forced to listen to trance wheather they like it or not (now u know why i don't have many friends come over ) but it seems to be working!

i guess trance will get bigger by word of mouth. or else we need something like having a producer make it big from Toronto and that way they'llbe featured in the mainstream bs thatwe hear everytime we tune in 103.5 (not that i ever bother) but u get my point... we need a turning point!

Trance not mainstream?
Hmm, well, believe it or not, I like it just the way it is... I think I'd get sick of it in case it went mainstream around here.

That's why I think it'll be hard for me to get sick and tired of this tribal/progressive house I've been into lately... it's too goddamn underground! Whoo-hoo!

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Originally posted by fantom Trance not mainstream? Hmm, well, believe it or not, I like it just the way it is... I think I'd get sick of it in case it went mainstream around here. That's why I think it'll be hard for me to get sick and tired of this tribal/progressive house I've been into lately... it's too goddamn underground! Whoo-hoo!

Too true, mate. I don't think I'd enjoy it when I see too many people listening to trance. If they listened to it because it's a trend... well... that's not something desirable.

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Originally posted by DJRocco Whenever anyone is over my house, they are forced to listen to trance wheather they like it or not (now u know why i don't have many friends come over ) but it seems to be working!

Hehe, which reminds me of my non-trancer friends asking me, "What the fuck are you blasting?"

Well, there are clubs that play Trance on a regular basis. I think the issue with it is if you don't know somebody in the know, you're SOL.

Systems seems to do a fair job of flyering (is that a word?) downtown, I've seen abunch of flyers outside of Robarts and around the core. The other clubs, not so much...

I like that it isn't over promoted. The scene is pretty good here. Everyone heads to their regular spots on the weekend, and when there's a special event (of which there are quite a few, especially during the summer) everyone comes out for a good night of debauchery. What more could you want? A strong, not-so-underground scene!

Cheers,
Fats

I'm actually glad I don't see as many flyers for trance events because I don't want trance to become mainstream and I don't want clubs to be overpacked and impossible to get into like some of the gino clubs.

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Originally posted by Tordan I'm actually glad I don't see as many flyers for trance events because I don't want trance to become mainstream and I don't want clubs to be overpacked and impossible to get into like some of the gino clubs.

i must admit that's a very good point.

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Originally posted by Tordan I'm actually glad I don't see as many flyers for trance events because I don't want trance to become mainstream and I don't want clubs to be overpacked and impossible to get into like some of the gino clubs.

Yep, that's a valid point. But I still wouldn't mind seeing a bit more promoting in my area. There's practically none of it. I do mean a bit though, not plastering it on every street corner in town.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker DEEJAY DANNY D!!!

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Originally posted by skaborough fats Well, there are clubs that play Trance on a regular basis. I think the issue with it is if you don't know somebody in the know, you're SOL. Systems seems to do a fair job of flyering (is that a word?) downtown, I've seen abunch of flyers outside of Robarts and around the core. The other clubs, not so much... I like that it isn't over promoted. The scene is pretty good here. Everyone heads to their regular spots on the weekend, and when there's a special event (of which there are quite a few, especially during the summer) everyone comes out for a good night of debauchery. What more could you want? A strong, not-so-underground scene! Cheers, Fats

Wow, that makes perfect sense. Didn't think of it that way. I sent you a PM regarding this...

But I'd also like to ask others: other than System (which has been mentioned already), what would then be some decent enough clubs that play trance on a somewhat regular basis?

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Originally posted by DJRocco NOW: i really don't know the solution to such problem(s) other than we should educated these people. Whenever anyone is over my house, they are forced to listen to trance wheather they like it or not but it seems to be working!

I agree, I've converted a fair amount of people to trance just by exposing them to it. Start burning cds and hand them out!

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or else we need something like having a producer make it big from Toronto and that way they'llbe featured in the mainstream bs thatwe hear everytime we tune in 103.5 (not that i ever bother) but u get my point... we need a turning point!

I'll make it big as a producer, don't worry about that

It was funny I was in the gym today and they had z103 on. They played a pvd track (i forget which one, but it wasnt we are alive) and the hammer said it was on pump it or dump it the previous night, and won by 99.9999%

this is an obvious sign that people like the music, they just arnt exposed to it like other music genres.

^^^ Funny you should mention that. This morning they played PvD's new track, can't remember the name...

itikia

^^^

do you guys mean, PVD feat. Hemstock & Jennings - Nothing But You

?

I agree with the people that say Trance is better not being mainstream. I means that's what makes the music that more enjoyable is that it's an escape from the realities of the everyday..Work, school, the media, radio, TV, etc, etc.

On a side note, anybody up for house party at JOE on Saturdays!!!!!

I think there's a difference between popular and mainstream. Trance is popular - you can tell by the number of people at major trance events - but it's not mainstream, and I don't think it should be. Once something becomes mainstream it inevitably becomes part of the marketing-based force-fed "pop culture" we've all grown to hate.

Conclusion: Keep trance the way it is, we as a community are all "in the know" so we'll be fine.

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