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Posted by DJ Kandaio on Apr-21-2003 04:39:

Question Is Trance music Lowest Common Denominator, or is it more?

It recently came to my attention how most popular music is made for the lowest common denominator of people in our society. Hip Hop will play the SAME beat for the entire song, with some guy syncopating ONE NOTE over the entire track. This is mainly so that media companies can passify the masses and make them identify with particular brands and images. (for those who want to know: This is from the Frankfurst school of media theory)

So my question is: Does Trance fit into this theory? Are we all listening to Trance and being pacified by its "lowest common denominator" charm?

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This is what I think: As far as I'm concerned, the reason why most people reject Trance is because it is NOT for the lowest common denominator. Trance works on subtleties, with small changes making a world of a difference. Although some may denounce it for the ever present 4/4 beat, look at how repetitive Hip Hop's beats are... Not even having break downs! I believe Trance offers a higher form of entertainment that does not passify the masses, but energizes them, and makes them see the detriment of other passifist types of music (among other things!) In fact, we Trance fans are a bit elitist in protecting our music from becoming "low-brow" entertainment, denouncing and boycotting anything that attempts to "sell-out". We are saved from passification of media conglomerates!

Tell me what ya think...


Posted by beema on Apr-21-2003 04:40:

no























Posted by Ghostface on Apr-21-2003 04:58:

umm... what beema said.


Posted by wick3d on Apr-21-2003 09:21:

no


Posted by JulesPLees on Apr-21-2003 11:40:

Only the shite Trance.


Posted by Trance-Canada on Apr-21-2003 11:47:

quote:
Originally posted by beema
no
























what he sez.


Posted by The Master on Apr-21-2003 11:48:

Music is business. Trance is beyond music. Trance is a religion. And Tiesto is our God.


Posted by tc-fan on Apr-21-2003 15:06:

quote:
Originally posted by The Master
Music is business. Trance is beyond music. Trance is a religion. And Tiesto is our God.


plz!!!


Posted by AndskiSpeed on Apr-21-2003 15:53:

bleh, Tiesto is our god?



btw.. on topic : no


Posted by ne1seenmykeys on Apr-21-2003 16:05:

Re: Is Trance music Lowest Common Denominator, or is it more?

quote:
Originally posted by DJKatheda


In fact, we Trance fans are a bit elitist in protecting our music from becoming "low-brow" entertainment, denouncing and boycotting anything that attempts to "sell-out". We are saved from passification of media conglomerates!

Tell me what ya think...


I think what you wrote in that last paragraph pretty much sums it up for the whole trance community. I have always found the world of trance, and electronica in general, fascinating when it comes to this "non-hype phenomenon", as i like to call it. It's like we are all saying "TELL EVERYONE YOU CAN ABOUT TRANCE....SPREAD IT TO THE WORLD!!!!!" But then as soon as a song gets "big" (i.e. Rapture, Silence, etc) it's 'selling out' and shit like that. I understand the principle behind it, but sometimes, I just don't get it. But anyway, I understand your point...great post!!!!


Posted by torontotrance on Apr-21-2003 16:09:

lowest of lows is happy hardcore....avoid it at all costs.


Posted by zarathustra on Apr-21-2003 17:37:

quote:
Originally posted by torontotrance
lowest of lows is happy hardcore....avoid it at all costs.


hehe, werd. That shite is horrible.


Posted by TrAnCeAkI on Apr-21-2003 20:29:

definatly no!


Posted by Micheline on Apr-21-2003 21:04:

quote:
Originally posted by The Master
Music is business. Trance is beyond music. Trance is a religion. And Tiesto is our God.



thats the most stupid thing i heard.


Posted by Micheline on Apr-21-2003 21:06:

quote:
Originally posted by torontotrance
lowest of lows is happy hardcore....avoid it at all costs.



i hate when someone attack specific genre. I bet you dont know the first thing about it and you heard some bad tracks and now you are saying its worst thing out there.


Posted by mndeg on Apr-21-2003 21:07:

trance is the non trend, was anyone here forced upon sasha - wavy gravy?

was the music video on tv 24/7? was it played on radio 24/7?

no, unless you live somewhere strange


Posted by Alccode on Apr-21-2003 21:10:

Interesting how this thread is just bursting with intelligent replies! (there are some good ones)

Very interesting topic, DJKatheda, and I will try to argue against your position.

I believe that trance is indeed also molded to the "lowest common denominator" formula. Think about it! Every track has an intro, breakdown, climax, outro. Maybe 2 breakdowns and climax. It is so damn predictable. This is in no way a criticism of trance. I mean, hell classical music also fits into a formula.

Perhaps all types of music are molded onto a "lowest common denominator" (hereafter just named "formula"). You just have to be attuned to that form of music enough to be able to tell the formula. Let me give you a concrete example: all the trance dj's out there will agree with me when I say that mixing trance is (once you get past the technical skill of beatmatching etc) as easy as pie. It all works the same damn way. Beatmatch, throw in a track near the end, bring it in, etc., done. And you know why you can do this? Because of consistency. All the tracks are molded to fit a particular formula so that not much thinking is required on the dj's part. Of course, if you want to be creative you have to stretch that big muscle up there... but otherwise, you can (almost) mix trance in your sleep.

Hip-hop is probably the same, though I can't personally vouch for that. Just because TA's will tend not to like hip-hop, doesn't mean that it's "simpler" automatically. Of course, the very reason why it's disliked may be for its very simplicity! But then again, I think that tranceaddicts don't like hiphop in general because of the presence of words, as well as the content of the lyrics themselves. I.e. there's not much to enjoy with the themes of bitches, hoes, bling-bling et al. being repeated ad nauseam. People like hip-hop, pop, and other genres with lyrics because, IMO, there are certain images (as well as brands, like you said DJKatheda) associated with those genres. That's why all the fans of a certain genre have a certain attitude... (warning: SEVERE stereotyping coming up)
i.e. the hip-hop people tend to be "ghetto" and "phat" (lol), the punksters (is that even a term?) tend to be skaters, "rebels" against authority and what-not.

Although, there are also images and attitudes associated with music without lyrics, as we all know about the junglists. Even the ravers and their happy hardcore (or hardcore or whatever). But even in that instance I believe it is for the image that people are attached to those genres rather than because of the music itself. (junglists for being...junglish ... and ravers for being "underground" and "non-mainstream") Not to mention the drug factor in the latter case... ( )

Um, so where does trance fit in? Trance is unique in that there is no base image or set of attitudes associated with it. If anything, it would be openness and acceptance. (which it should be!) Especially some of the more underground variants such as psy trance.

So this shows that there is, after all, something in trance other than the formula. I guess this "something else" is what is so enticing. Let's give it a name: emotion, perhaps? I think that's probably it. Uplifting emotion, though it's special because it means different things to different people. For some, trance is very sad (in a good way) while others see nothing but the euphoria, hands-in-the-air aspect. So YMMV. This is what I think makes trance special.

Of course, I haven't gotten into Prog or techno or anything like that, because I do want to finish this post within my lifetime.

To conclude, I think that trance is definitely geared for a "lowest common denominator", even if it's not done so in a corporate way (which would be bad). Let's hope it doesn't come to that because, I'm certain, it would spell the end for trance as we know it. (i.e. it would be cheesed beyond belief, and people would shift to other, lesser known variants. Or turn into progheads. )


Posted by Alccode on Apr-21-2003 21:15:

As for happy hardcore, I side with Micheline here. Don't automatically say HHC sucks even though it's fast and cheesy (lol).

Maybe you should go out to a hhc event or listen to a hhc dj spin live. Though I can tell you - it will be hard for you to be "converted" anyway! lol.. all I'm saying is that there is something in any music for someone. Though if you're at the level of trance, or prog (even better), then you certainly won't "drop" to HHC.

(psst... here's a "secret"... a great part of the appeal of HHC comes from the E and the PLURiness... i.e. E)

lol



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