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What do you guys think is the proper legal drinking age??



Most of USA is 21 years; Well all the kick ass states like California (except for like 2 states and Virgin Islands, GUAM Puerto Rico it's 18). Your brain doesn't stop maturing until like age 25-26, but who is going to abstain until age 26???
Another thing: Why is it easier to buy crack/shrooms/weed when you are "underage" than alcohol?? I think that says something about the "war on drugs;" I.E. "War on ourselves." I remember when my friends and I were younger we'd have to steal it (beer) from a store lol.

Mexico to the south is 18yrs, and Canada to our North is 19yrs.
Personally I would not feel comfortable with a drinking age lower than
19 yrs in the US. You are still in high school at 18, and many 16 year olds drive here; It wouldn't be wise. 21 is a bit high though.

p.s. I should mention that it's estimated that one third of people under 21 have a fake id. Fuct up shit.

Here is a neat chart I found. The first # is legal drinking age. The second # is legal purchase age. Sometimes there is a difference in the laws concerning purchase vs consumption. It's interesting to note that the countries with a history of prohibition (Like US, Sweeden, and Eastern European countries) have higher driking ages. I've read that in Italy you can buy hard liquor at the grocery store @ any age... I don't really drink that much, but obviously this is an area of interest for Tranceaddicts since DJs often play at parties where alcohol is served. I keep meaning to inquire about military service members, but I don't know if there is an exception for them. Half the US soldiers comming back in coffins aren't even 21.


Minimum Drinking and Purchasing Age Laws*
Country Minimum Drinking Age (MDA) Minimum Purchasing Age (MPA) Notes
Argentina 18 -
Armenia - No MPA
Australia 18 18 State and Territory laws prohibit the sale or serving of alcohol to those under 18.
Austria 16, 15 (in one Bundesland) 16, 18 in some cases for spirits. On-premises consumption of alcohol is subject to provincial regulation. In general, the MDA is 16. Some provinces also prohibit the consumption of spirits for those under 18.
Azerbaijan No MDA No MPA
Belarus - 21
Belgium 15 16 The law prohibits anyone under 16 (unless married or accompanied by a parent or guardian) from entering a 'dance hall' where fermented beverages are sold.
Brazil 18 -
Bulgaria - 16
Canada In Alberta, Manitoba, and Quebec, it is 18; in all other provinces, 19 In Alberta, Manitoba, and Quebec, it is 18; in all other provinces, 19 Drinking by minors under adult supervision is permitted in licensed premises in provinces of Manitoba and New Brunswick and at home in Prince Edward Island, Alberta, British Columbia, Ontario and Saskatchewan.
Chile 18 -
China No MDA No MPA
Colombia 18 18
Croatia - 18
Czech Republic 18 18
Denmark 18 15 Alcohol may be purchased at age 15 for off-premises consumption, but not until age 18 at on-premises establishments.
Egypt 21 -
Estonia 18 18
Finland 18 18
France 16 16 The MDA and MPA for alcoholic beverages on-premises is 16 unless accompanied by a parent or guardian.
Georgia No MDA No MPA
Germany 16, 18 16, 18 The MDA and MPA for beer and wine is 16, 18 for spirits. Beer and wine may be served to people under 16 only if they are accompanied by parents.
Greece - 18
Honduras 21 -
Hong Kong - 18
Hungary - 18
Iceland - 20
Indonesia - 16
Ireland 18 18 Individuals under 18 are allowed in bars, but those under 15 must be accompanied by a parent or guardian.
Israel - 18
Italy 16 16
Japan 20 20
Kazakhstan - 18
Korea (South) 19 19
Latvia - 18
Lithuania - 18
Luxembourg 17, 18 18 The on-premises MDA is 17 if accompanied by an adult.
Malaysia - 18
Malta 16 16
Mexico 18 -
Moldova 18 18
Mongolia - 18 Parents and guardians may not offer alcohol beverages to their children under 18.
Netherlands - 16, 18 The MPA for spirits is 18, 16 if accompanied by an adult. The MPA for beer and wine is 16.
New Zealand 18 18 In designated areas persons under 18 may purchase and consume alcohol if under the supervision of their legal guardian.
Norway 18, 20 18, 20 The MPA for spirits is 20. For beer and wine the MPA is 18.
Peru 18 -
Poland - 18 The MPA for alcoholic beverages (more than 4.5% alcohol by weight) is 18. There is no minimum purchasing age for beverages under 4.5% ABV.
Portugal 18 18
Russia 21 18 (not sure about Russia...)
Samoa 21 -
Singapore 18 18
Slovak Republic - 18
Slovenia 18 18 Applies only to buying or drinking in public places such as bars or discos.
South Africa 18 18
Spain 16 16 Those under 16 may purchase beer and wine if accompanied by their parents.
Sweden - 18, 20 Class 1 beer is non-alcoholic and no age restrictions apply. Off-license purchases have different age limits, the MPA for buying beer from food stores is 18, the MPA for buying other alcohol beverages at Systembolaget stores is 20.
Switzerland 18 18 Federal law prohibits supplying spirits to those under 18. The MDA and MPA for beer and wine is controlled by the Cantons and varies between 14 and 16.
Thailand No MDA 17
Turkey - 18
Turkmenistan 18 18
Ukraine - 21
United Kingdom 18 18 In bars and off-licensed premises the MDA and MPA are 18. The MPA for beer and cider is 16 when purchased for consumption with meals (except when in a bar). Children over five may consume alcoholic beverages at home with a parent's consent.


United States 21* 21** *In 19 states alcohol consumption by youth under 21 is not specifically illegal.
**Exceptions to the 21 law in some states include possession for religious purposes when accompanied by a parent, spouse or legal guardian; medical reasons; in private clubs or establishments; and in the course of lawful employment by a duly licensed manufacturer.

Uruguay 18 -
Venezuela 18 -

Holland has also a MPA for cannabis which is 18

This is also a question of, "At what age does a person become 'mature?"

For example in the USa for some reason you can buy a deadly firearm at 18yrs of age (except those which can be concealed on the person (21)), but not liquor (mostly) until 21 yrs of age.

In malta you can drink legally at 16, but not gamble in a casino until age 25. WTF????

Should we abolish all age laws??

What about sexual consent laws?? In California it's as high as 18. I think that's totally redic. I think sexual consent laws are for the most part overbearing, and an example of the gov attempting to impose a moral standard. Back in biblical times, a chick would be knocked up and married to some old fat dude named Ezekial by the time she was 12.

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Originally posted by jploveparade Holland has also a MPA for cannabis which is 18

They were very close to passing an referendum (sp?) in Nevada that would decriminalize 3ounces and less of pot for over 21s. The law enforcement supported it strongly. It will come to a vote again, and hopefully pass this time.

Future Nevada: Legal weed, casinos, hookers, strippers....

Just go to Joe's fake id shop if you're not 21 lol.

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and Canada to our North is 19yrs

In alberta its 18 years. I think 18 is the legal age for everything here.

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Originally posted by Dmatrox In alberta its 18 years. I think 18 is the legal age for everything here.

nope, in Ontario, and a handful of other provinces, it is 19.

IMHO, it should be 16, but then again, people over here in Western culture are stupid with their binge drinking and shit.

hehe here in china you dont need id to get alcohol....i buy all my booze here in the supermarket..or carrefor..once i saw a 6th grader in my school trashing up with absolut vodka.

i think it should be 18..

i don't agree with putting an age on someones maturity, although someone who is 30 still may be more mature than an 18 year old it isnt always the case..

theoretically it is right but not always in practise..

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Originally posted by mos man i think it should be 18.. i don't agree with putting an age on someones maturity, although someone who is 30 still may be more mature than an 18 year old it isnt always the case.. theoretically it is right but not always in practise..

I agree. I have a cousin who is like 24, and he acts like he's 15 or something. Actually all of them do, and they are all like 26,27 lol.

I'm from the USA. If you can die for the country you shoud be able to buy liquor. Thats my opinion. I feel the drinking age should be 18 instead of 21. By this, I mean all of the men drafted for Vietnam and ww I and II.

I'm from the USA. If you can die for the country you shoud be able to buy liquor. Thats my opinion. I feel the drinking age should be 18 instead of 21. By this, I mean all of the men drafted for Vietnam and ww I and II also curretly serving in iraq (I hae family serving over there under 21)

Ya it should be 18, not below that.

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Originally posted by dj_inferno I'm from the USA. If you can die for the country you shoud be able to buy liquor. Thats my opinion. I feel the drinking age should be 18 instead of 21. By this, I mean all of the men drafted for Vietnam and ww I and II.

Any one who volunteers to take a bullet for their country should be granted all the freedoms of being an adult. Maybe we can do something about this. About the only good thing about the Repubs being in control of both House and senate is that they might support the abolishment of the law that coerces states to adopt a 21 drinking age. Remember when the speed limit used to be 55? That's because they passed a similar law that coerced states to adopt that as the speed limit by witholding funding. They abolished that law, and now you can drive 60-70 or more in some places.

You can see how we did make a difference in the Rave Act legislation by getting support from such senators as Kennedy and Leihey. Of course with that sneaky maneuvering of Biden's, not many would have voted against the Amber Alert Bill; It passed because of that trickery.

I'm just saying man....when people make noise, politicians listen. That's what MAdd did, and that's what we can do. MADD is about prohibition these days anyways, and not just about fighting drunk driving. At the very least, maybe we can get someone to sponser a bill that lets people of any age in the military buy liquor etc. I think that would be great, because it makes me angry to see all those US soldiers die who are like 19 years old. I hope that we have no more wars in the near future, but maybe we can make some good come out of this. My dad used to be able to buy beer when he was 18 or 19 in Texas.

Dave

P.S. Guys....

If we can get some restaurant/catering/party etc organizations behind this, we can get some more clout.

I guess nobody cares though.

FAke ids usually help bring the age limit go down too ... good that here in alberta its only 18

i dont think it matters, most people drink underage without their parents knowing anyway
its not like its a secret

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Originally posted by mndeg i dont think it matters, most people drink underage without their parents knowing anyway its not like its a secret

Well, I know that but most of the people aren't really "underage" to begin with because they are like 20. I'm not talking about 13 year olds or something. Who is for 13 year olds drinking lol??

i think if you are old enough to handle adult resposiblities (i.e. voting, military, etc.) you should be old enough to enjoy adult freedoms (drinking, gambling). Who gets to decide how mature is mature enough? If people can't handle it, it's their own responsibility. Let them learn from their own mistakes.

Im tired and too lazy to read the whole post, but my thought is that its ridiculous that you can go get killed in the military, vote, and buy cancer sticks at the age of 18 but cant buy a damn drink.

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Originally posted by twizta hehe here in china you dont need id to get alcohol....i buy all my booze here in the supermarket..or carrefor..once i saw a 6th grader in my school trashing up with absolut vodka.

Yeah, I've read a bit about China. The gov just decided to let cultural traditions dictate the alcohol policy. Makes sense to me. US is a young country, and still unsure about itself in many ways.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...20&pagenumber=3

I'm too lazy to retype. If you want to argue with me, you can post in either thread. This one is probably better, because the issue is off topic in the other thread.

Brief summary: Generalizations about a category of individuals are insufficient justification for laws which deprive people of their individual rights. Hence, age-based alcohol laws are insufficiently justified, as their fundamental premise is a generalization about an age group (minors), and these laws deprive people of their individual rights.

21... but should be 18 imv.
-reZ

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Originally posted by Arbiter http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...20&pagenumber=3 I'm too lazy to retype. If you want to argue with me, you can post in either thread. This one is probably better, because the issue is off topic in the other thread. Brief summary: Generalizations about a category of individuals are insufficient justification for laws which deprive people of their individual rights. Hence, age-based alcohol laws are insufficiently justified, as their fundamental premise is a generalization about an age group (minors), and these laws deprive people of their individual rights.

I was going to post it in the political discussion, but I thought it would be better here because it would get more views.
Of course most people come to the chillout room to read bloody dick stories I think.

Dave

Re: Legal Drinking AGE...?? :=()

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz China No MDA No MPA

mmmhmmm.
chinese communism isn't all that bad
dreading going back to the states = no more boozin' (legally at least)

its time for the box of monkeys!

there's time for me, but no time for the detective gadget. inspector gadgets cousin.

omfg.
its my 19th birthday..yay alcohol!

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