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Atheists Unite!

Hey. Most of the trancers that I have talked to in my time are atheist (including me). Come forth! Or have I simply been living in a dream?

Do I have to be an atheist?
I don't belive in god but I don't call myself a atheist.

SIGHS!

not an atheist

me neither...nothing to brag about

Personally I'm agnostic. From my experience it seems most people who call themselves aethiest are truly agnostic but dont know what it means.

From Dictionary.com

Agnostic:

A. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
B. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

Atheist

A. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
B. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.

YEAH

i suggest we form an [TA] Atheist Alliance???

LOL then again.. nah.. wtf 4? hahaha...

u can't believe in something you can't see and touch... thats my motto... i have faith.. in ppl.. but to tell me there is something out there.. hmm im very much in the NO spectrum on that one, sorry...

Besides.. look how many bad things there are in religion... pedo's and stuff, abuse by nun's, all this other crap that no one hears about.... tsk tsk tsk.. is that what is taught in religion? i think not... its all crazy i tell yah!

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Originally posted by tranceaholic me neither...nothing to brag about

do explain.

@Nadi: trust me i did my research before I decided what exactly to call myself.

@Bassaholix: Atheist Alliance? lol. sure why not.

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Originally posted by bassaholix YEAH i suggest we form an [TA] Atheist Alliance??? LOL then again.. nah.. wtf 4? hahaha... u can't believe in something you can't see and touch... thats my motto... i have faith.. in ppl.. but to tell me there is something out there.. hmm im very much in the NO spectrum on that one, sorry... Besides.. look how many bad things there are in religion... pedo's and stuff, abuse by nun's, all this other crap that no one hears about.... tsk tsk tsk.. is that what is taught in religion? i think not... its all crazy i tell yah!

wow, well, then in that case you might as well stop believing in science. you can't touch a quantum or a quark, man. and quantum physics sure as hell don't make sense.

in any case, the stuff you mentioned above are faults of *people*. don't make the dumb-assed mistake that's made by so many out there -

religion is man-made. *god*, whatever name you choose to call him, in whatever possibility of his existence, is not.

don't confuse the two.

im an atheist (along with half of australia).. religions are for people with weak minds that cant accept that we are completely useless and whose lives have no value what so ever in the scheme of things. a very sad amd depressing concept for most (even for atheists) but enlightening for a lucky few (not saying im one).

(just to stir some shit up)

yay

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Originally posted by Abject Silver religion is man-made. *god*, whatever name you choose to call him, in whatever possibility of his existence, is not.

Are you sure of that? Perhaps you can enlighten me. (Not trying to be a smart-ass. Serious request.)

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Originally posted by mongeone religions are for people with weak minds

I agree. Yep, another atheist here

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Originally posted by nic01445 Are you sure of that? Perhaps you can enlighten me. (Not trying to be a smart-ass. Serious request.)

heh, sure. i'm saying that if there's a god out there, then he is the one that created us. purely metaphysically speaking, naturally.

religion is a human-made system of worship of a divinity. religion is seldom different whether it's worshipping a deity, or a football (soccer, for the north americans) team. one is simply more formal than the other.

this leads to human vices encroaching on whatever system of morals is devised by humans themselves for the religion. if a sacred text dictates that a certain act is wrong, then it doesn't mean that everyone will follow it. we created a system of law for our society which basically governs the rights and wrongs in every day situations. there are lawmakers and politicians that create these laws. obviously the people that create these laws are imperfect, and more often than not, break them. i don't think anyone actually thinks that any figure of authority follows perfectly the laws that they enforce or uphold or create or verify.

and thus it's the same thing in religion. just because a priest represents a certain religion, doesn't mean that he is all of a sudden perfect in every way. he is still human, with human faults and inner tribulations. in less traditional religions (nowadays it seems everyone and their mother has their own branch of christianity) it's very easy to become a pastor or a priest or a minister.

so obviously it's silly to assume that just because someone holds a certain position of authority in a sect (or a government, for that matter), that they are the be-alls end-alls of the entity. it doesn't work that way, which is why it's laughable to hear people denounce religion, or founding principles of a society, because some priest decides to play hide the candy bar with some kid's ass. following that logic, every time we hear of a politician laundering money or pursuing a genocidal course of action (IRAQ ANYONE? OOH OOH! WHO'S YOUR BAGHDADDY?!) for their own means, we should all renounce democracy and law because obviously if the representatives of these schools of thought are imperfect. but we don't do that, do we?

hope you understand.

well, the goal of this thread was NOT to insult those who are religious, but eh, wuddya gonna do? Just sayin. Not my intent.

LOL we really should start that [TA] Atheist Alliance. Who's gonna make the sig?

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Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 I agree. Yep, another atheist here

another thing is that according to traditional definition, atheism doesn't exist. it most often means someone who just doesn't believe in anything.

but apparently we have to believe, even if it's in ourselves. that's why i stopped labelling myself as an atheist. agnosticism is far more like it, but at the same time, still unsatisfying. the best word for what you're thinking of is mayavadi which is an old scripture word for impersonalist. the definition is precise enough to identify a single man, and broad enough to include something as vast as buddhism.

I don't think there's anything wrong with being religious, or believing in god/dess, I think the problems start when you get *organized religion*, that's where you start getting this mind control, you have to convert people, those other people who have a different interpretation of god/dess and should be killed BS.

Personally, I'm agnostic, bordering on deism (Voltaire: God created the universe and buggered off, and doesn't give a shit about us, no afterlife, etc.)

I think Socrates said something to the effect of "You don't even understand *this* life, why worry about what comes afterwards?" to one of his students, and that's basically my take on it...I've got enough things to worry about with adding religion to the list.

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Originally posted by mongeone im an atheist (along with half of australia).. religions are for people with weak minds that cant accept that we are completely useless and whose lives have no value what so ever in the scheme of things. a very sad amd depressing concept for most (even for atheists) but enlightening for a lucky few (not saying im one). (just to stir some shit up) yay

Thats one of the most ignorant posts ive ever read on TA.com Not only did u probably just offend everyone that follows a religion, but the post in itself was completely stupid in that u hav no evidence at all that there is a god out there or not, so who the fuck are u to say they are small minded.

I am not a religious person myself, and i dont believe there is a god. However, i do believe that we are not alone in the universe, and that there is probably a much higher life form out there than us.. (Like the Q in star trek )

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Thats one of the most ignorant posts ive ever read on TA.com Not only did u probably just offend everyone that follows a religion, but the post in itself was completely stupid in that u hav no evidence at all that there is a god out there or not, so who the fuck are u to say they are small minded.

seriously...:\

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another thing is that according to traditional definition, atheism doesn't exist. it most often means someone who just doesn't believe in anything.

Untrue. Just because don't understand atheism, and give it a pseudo-definition doesn't mean that their definition is right. Atheist - One who does not believe in any god or gods. Whether this is what the mass accepts or not, it is still true.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike However, i do believe that we are not alone in the universe, and that there is probably a much higher life form out there than us.. (Like the Q in star trek )

Q was a pimp

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Untrue. Just because don't understand atheism, and give it a pseudo-definition doesn't mean that their definition is right. Atheist - One who does not believe in any god or gods. Whether this is what the mass accepts or not, it is still true.

you need to read posts more carefully. first of all, are you saying that just because *i* don't understand atheism?

tsk tsk tsk. it's a very, very, very bad idea to make assumptions about others' knowledge. i mean, i'm an idiot, myself, but you might get in trouble sometime in the future.

first of all, i said *traditional* definition. i specifically said that because i didn't want anyone to think that this was *my* definition. pseudo-definition? you're way off on that one, big guy.


Atheism \A"the*ism\, n. [Cf. F. ath['e]isme. See Atheist.]
1. The disbelief or denial of the existence of a God, or
supreme intelligent Being.

Atheism is a ferocious system, that leaves nothing
above us to excite awe, nor around us to awaken
tenderness. --R. Hall.

Atheism and pantheism are often wrongly confounded.
--Shipley.

2. Godlessness.


this is taken from the webster's unabridged 1913 edition. the kind of traditionalism i'm talking about is way before that.

see, here we start getting very philosophical because i can throw at you the neizschean notion that each man is his own god. or the idea that gibson brought about saying that god is a mutual being created by a mass psychology.

also, what the mass accepts is always the truth. why do you think they say that the customer is always right?

anyways, just wanted to clear that up.

oh, and CortexBomb, big props to you, man. very well said.

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Originally posted by nic01445 do explain. @Nadi: trust me i did my research before I decided what exactly to call myself.

Oh, ok I guess i just assumed you hadnt because we discussed it at school today, and most of my class didnt know the diffrence :P

The only way you can be certain something does not exist is if it has contradictory properties, such as a square circle. So, unless you can show what contradictory properties all gods and goddesses have, atheism is as irrational a position as traditional theism.

Agnosticism, which is essentially the acceptance of the simple fact that one cannot obtain sufficient evidence to answer every question, is really the only rational doctrine of belief.

I'm more agnostic, mainly due to practical logic, I simply dont know much about this universe, nor wish to profess such knowledge which I do not have.

However, Hermetic philosophy is *very* interesting. I like that one the most.

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Originally posted by bassaholix u can't believe in something you can't see and touch... thats my motto... i have faith.. in ppl.. but to tell me there is something out there.. hmm im very much in the NO spectrum on that one, sorry...

thats exactly what i always say

Who am I to say there is or isn't a god. I'm not gonna label myself Atheist and believe there's no such thing as god b/c there's been events out there that seem too weird to happen for me to deny God's existance yet sometimes I'll be fuck this n fuck that, God damnit blabalbalabla.

Comprende?

another religious debate?....wow. i wonder if there are other threads on this here. i donno if i can refer to this, but all i know is on the di forums there's a thread that went from the subject of 'christian raves' to discussing religion..

i personally think of myself as an atheist .. less of an agnostic.
i choose to believe in myself.
i find nothing wrong with religion. i simply dont believe in it for myself.

i trust in trance

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