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is this nice to start with?
2 - Stanton STR830 Direct Drive Turntables
1 - Behringer VMX200
i've seen this for 330,- $ (as a pack) is this a nice setup for a start, or am i making a big mistake? (don't tell me (agian) i should buy technics from the start of, i really can afford it, not now, and not in the year to come.. after than, maybe)
thanks alot
robin
edit >> deal is OFF
well, to be honest, no, not really. at least they are direct drive, that's good. here, read my little rant on why to get techs. maybe you will change your mind.
Here is the reason that you should get technics 1200SL decks:
one of two things is going to happen when you get your technics. Either:
a) you will love them, and decided that you are loving DJ and you never want to stop. In this case, you are in a great position. You have the same deck as almost every club in the world, and every DJ in the world. You will never need to upgrade your decks, and you know that they will last literally DECADES if you take care of them.
OR
b) you will decided DJing is not for you, and decide to sell your decks. In this case, you will probabally be able to sell them for about as much as you bought them for, and maybe even more. Just take a look on www.ebay.com and watch how many bidders are after a set of tech12s, and you will quickly realize how valuable these decks are.
So, there is is, get technics, it's win-win situation.
Then, there is another option. You can get cheaper, lower quality decks. in that case, the same two things can happen:
a) you love DJing, but are frustrated that your decks don't hold pitch, have no torque, skip like a schoolgirl, have as many breakdowns as a set of oakenfolds from '99, vibrate near any sound source, or whatever else. or even just that they don't feel the same as the decks at clubs and raves, so you learn on yours at home, then try to beatmatch on techs in front of a crowd and get tomatoes thrown at you. in anycase, you'll be wanting to sell these decks. problem being, nobody is going to want to buy them. if you can sell them, i can almost guarantee you won't get what you paid for them. most likely, they will collect dust in your attic or basement, or be sold for a pittance to some wannabe DJ who doesn't know any better.
OR
b) you hate DJing. In this case, you will want to sell your tables, and will encounter the same problems as in point a. It could even be that you hate DJing just cuz you had crappy tables. (don't give up till you try a pair of tech12s, for me that was the closer, i just loved the feeling)
so, crappy decks, it's a lose-lose situation.
now, there are a few more things to think of. everything that is not a tech12 is not neccesarily a crappy deck! there are others that have just as high torque, low wow and flutter, good insulation from vibration etc. these include the Numark TTX-1 (and NUMARK TT-200, the same motor and build, but without the fancy display), the stanton STR-100 and STR8-100, and higher end gemini and vestax models.
However, NONE of these tables can boast the reputation of techs for longtime durability, simply because they haven't been around that long. and most cost almost as much as technics anyway.
overall, in choosing a DJ deck, i think technics are your best bet. Numark TTX1 is a close second, but i won't be buying one for another 3 or more years, when i start hearing about their reliability. Stanton are pretty good too.
Above all don't even CONSIDER buying belt drive decks. you didn't good job.
well, thanks.. but ones again i really CANT afford technics,(i'm only 16.. jobs don't pay a lot at that age 
) and i'm pretty sure i CAN resell this tabels if i want to, just beleave me I CAN, maybe not for the same price but that doesn't matter.
about the pitch, i heard that the pitch on those tabels are pretty OK, not perfect but.. , i'll reather learn dj-ing on a semi perfect setup than on a perfect setup, that seems the best way te learn it to me.
thanks anyway,
robin
Well as JohnSmith completely ignored the fact that you can't afford technics, I will try to give you some usefull advise (even if you had money i'd advise the TTX1 or PTD-6000 instead of technics anyway).
The Behringer VMX200 is defenitely a decent mixer, if you can spare SOME extra cash i'd go for the VMX300, wich I can assure, is very good (especially for the very low price). It's got 3 channels (convertable), kill switches, crossfadercurve-buttons, low, mid, high (-32 +12 dB), beatcounters, talkover and it's possible to cue in every possible way.
Don't know about the tt, trying to find some info about it appearrantly leads to a gay porn site 
But Stanton is known for having good tt's. So eventow It's a pretty low-ranged tt I assume it will be more than fine to start with.
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| Originally posted by Nabistai Don't know about the tt, trying to find some info about it appearrantly leads to a gay porn site |
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| Originally posted by JohnSmith what? no it doesn't. what kind of sites have you been visitin? :P |
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yes, i know about the vmx300, but this is sold as a pack, it on an american site, i hope i can buy it anyway, they have a shipping around the globe sign on there site so that must not be a problem, (unless the shipping costs are really high (i'm from holland btw).. than i have to look elsewhere, but at leased i know what to look for 
(if that happens i'll switch the 200 for an 300)
thanks everyone
robin
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| Originally posted by robin well, thanks.. but ones again i really CANT afford technics,(i'm only 16.. jobs don't pay a lot at that age ) and i'm pretty sure i CAN resell this tabels if i want to, just beleave me I CAN, maybe not for the same price but that doesn't matter. |
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| Originally posted by robin about the pitch, i heard that the pitch on those tabels are pretty OK, not perfect but.. , i'll reather learn dj-ing on a semi perfect setup than on a perfect setup, that seems the best way te learn it to me. thanks anyway, robin |
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| Originally posted by Nabistai LOL This one: Here (do not click this link if you are under 18 ) |
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| Originally posted by Nabistai But I just noticed that I got to that site whit searching for 'STR8-3' Instead of 'STR8-30'. |
I know but I always check multiple sources, specs don't mean anything unless you've talked to some people that actually used the stuff your gonna buy
you do have a really strong point there, BUT if they turn out to be crappy (with's i fail to beleave, really crappy tabels don't get sold!) your links, there for ebay USA, things are really diferent here, those TT are (almoste) not for sale anywhere here, the mixer is word 120$ (on an us site) means thats it word even more here in NL, there ar LOTS of ppl searching for 2 TT for around 200 euro's (1 euro = 1.10 $) if i keep the mixer, and sell the tabels for 200 (or a bit more if they bid up agianst eachother) than my losses will be minimal or even 0
i'll think about all of this agian,
thnx
robin
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| Originally posted by robin really crappy tabels don't get sold |
okey, but thats kinda gemini's (TT) reputation..
but i understode stanton has a pretty good reputation, (price compered to qwalaty)
gr.
robin
(sorry writhing english isn't really going well tonight..)
Hey man, this is what i think you should do:
If you just want to start mixing right away you can purchase a mixer and mix on the computer with mp3s, of course its not as much fun as tables but...
then you can save enough to purchase better tables if not technics , even though i think you should just save up for technics.
Your kinda in the same situation that i was, i really wanted to start mixing and i just wanted turntables with a pitch. I purchased the Numark 1520 Direct Drive, now these tables are almost like belt drive, i think the lowest tourque on the market and the worst pitch and i even got them used.
With these tables it was very frustrating for me to beatmatch after i picked up on it but i got a hellll of a LOOOOOOOOOT of practice and right now i can beatmatch in like 30 secs or maybe more. I dont think anyone that played around with technics or better tables can do that with my tables .
You will have a lot of frustration but at least you will have a set up that's how i look at it.
as far as your stantons go i havent heard anything about those but i played around with the Numark TT-100 , they are very solid tables (high tourque, great pitch) and they are not that expensive you can even buy them on ebay.
Look at this Deal
And there are even better deals but make sure you do your homework on any tables your going to get otherwise the same thing that happend to me will happen to you.
Search with Numark 100 Returned more results
btw that girl with the DJ Comics done in paint has the stantons you want to get (I think). so pm her or something and maybe she can help you out.
Yow Robin, keep in mind that the USA has another line voltage, they use 110V. Whe in the Netherlands use 230V, so if you try to connect them (if isnt's possible due to different power plugs), you can get some really cool smoke effects on your TT's. Try to find a european site.
Greetz Maarten
My honest advice to you, is that if you are on this tight of a budget, then seriously think about going the path of the CD-DJ. There are two reasons for this suggestion. First, you can start off for about the same price (http://www.pssl.com/bitemdetail.tpl...002111612043117) as you can with TTs. Second, cd players are much cheaper to make, so you will get better quality cd decks vs TTs for the same price. The set above doesn't include headphones, but you can get a decent pair for $30-50 without a problem. And remember, they don't have to be "DJ" headphones in order for you to use them for Djing!
The second reason is music. If you are really strapped for cash in the next couple of years, then you will be spinning with the same 6 records of crappy tracks for that long too. Vinyl is expensive. The average SINGLE that I buy costs between $8 and $13. Sure you get 1-4 remixes with it, but in general, you'll use only one, maybe two mixes, and you won't use them in the same set. You'll get frustrated with having a limited music collection. If you have a cd-burner, then you can at least burn some MP3s until you get the money to buy the music yourself. And, though I don't suggest exclusively going this way, but, you can use your DJ compilation to mix with too. You can burn individual tracks etc onto a cd and use them to mix. This will eliminate the ability for you to use the intro and exit of a track, but this is how I first learned, when I spent all of my money on the EQ and then had none left over for music.
Think about how serious you really are about doing this. Starting with equipment that is "sub-par" isn't a bad way to start for your particular situation. And to answer your question directly, the equipment that you chose is a good deal for the price. It's still low end equipment, but hey, high-end stuff is very costly! I spent half as much on my headphones alone as you are willing to spend on your entire setup! Also, you have to realize that if this is just a phase, then buying Techs etc is a big mistake because you have to front the cash to buy them--even if you CAN sell them for cost. You'd do better putting the rest of your money in a savings account and earning interest on it.
Tell me if this post helped you and if I can help in any other way!
Good Luck
those tabels are of.. shipping costs are way to high, even if my family buy's them and send them to me.. looks like my budget is opening up a little, saving up for technics will take me about 5 month's (if i stop buying clothe's even faster 
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mp3 mixing.. no that's not working for me.. and this computer isn't fast enough for that.. playing 1 mp3, no problems there, 2 mp3.. get's tricky, only works when you turn the .. green and red bars moving bars of.. ( ) get the idee.. and recording at the same time.. is just NOT possible.. beleave me i've tryed..
cd-dj ing.. i've tought about that.. but thats just not what i want.. and the way it looks now i'll be able to buy around 8 records a month.. 10 if there are some cheap records along them..
starting with technics.. doesn't seem right to me.. and it is going to cost me 900$+ (without mixer ) thats first of all a lot of money, and second thats a hell of a lot of money for someone who only touched TT and vinly for only 15 min in his whole life..
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i'll get back to this, i have to get to school now 
hey ! i'm happy, i found my mom's old TT.. i knew ther was one, somewhere.. well i found it, it is a TECHNICS, direct drive, there are even some 'pre-trance' vinyl's (and al lot of crappy movie theme's and shit) no pitch unfortunaly ..
one (maybe 2nd hand) technics must be afordable, only have to find a (cheap) mixer
2nd technics can posibly be added in a fiew month's
well thanks a lot for the advice everyone!!
robin
(1 TT without pitch and 1 TT with pitch, that must be do-able at least for a view month's)
.. or is this (agian) a (big) mistake?
it's doable yeah! you can at least start buying a few vinyls before you get your decks.
sounds like CD or MP3 mixing is not for you. i suggest buying some vinyl, (don't get carried away though) no more than 10.
then you can practice at your friends house if they have turntables. then start looking around for a used one, and saving your money.
I don't know if they have "buy and sell" papers in holland, but maybe there is something equivalent? maybe you could put up posters around places where DJs might hang out looking for used 1200s? used is still good with a tech12, as long as you check it out first.
nha there are no buy and sell papers, anymore.. and than i should pick them up at his home, what also can be a problem (no transportation..) but like you guys sayed before, you can resell them for pretty much the same price as you bought them.. for that couple extra bucks i'll reather buy new one's (thats just the way i am.. ghehe)
nope i don't have any dj-ing friends, so thats no option unfortunaly
next month i'll strat buying some vinyls.. first have to let get my ps2 fixed.. ( )
well thanks agian
robin
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| Originally posted by robin nha there are no buy and sell papers, anymore.. |
a thnx.. couldn't remember the name..
anyway first lets say whats the price diferance between new and 2nd hand decks..
tnx
robin
2nd hand, usually 40% or 50% cheaper.
well.. i guess i'll go looking for some 2nd hand
(if what you are saying is right offcourse 
)
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| Originally posted by robin yes, i know about the vmx300, but this is sold as a pack, it on an american site, i hope i can buy it anyway, they have a shipping around the globe sign on there site so that must not be a problem, (unless the shipping costs are really high (i'm from holland btw).. than i have to look elsewhere, but at leased i know what to look for (if that happens i'll switch the 200 for an 300)thanks everyone robin |
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