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Me & My Frustration with Tiesto

ok heres the thing.. tiesto obviously is a very talented producer and a dj but i couldnt just avoid this one thing thats been on my mind... about a year ago when he announced that he no longer will make anymore gouryella tracks with ferry and the reason being because he claimed his style doesnt match the "gouryella sound" anymore and that
he has no time... so he leaves gouryella but the label demands another 'gouryella single' since it was still under contract agreement that gouryella release more material.. so ferry carries on the gouryella project without tiesto and completes "ligaya" with some help from a classical music composer and IMHO did an outstanding job giving the track that "epic gouryella feel" to it this time using a longer, more complicated main melody instead of the ear friendly simpler melodies used in the previous 3 gouryella releases...

so... during this time, tiesto ventures out to remixing genre questionable tracks, experiments different style of producing rather than his trademark trance productions, plays prog & tech-house filled sets(he had to play some trance here & there cuz obviously he got known for the trance sound..)and even disses the trance genre.. he says in one interview "djs are finding new ways to produce trance music without it sounding so gay." lol.. how can u say shit like this to something that got you where you are today.. someone that once said about the trance genre, "the best thing to come out of house music".. i mean, ppl noticed his trance remixes and productions and loved his pioneering "dutch trance" sound.. his remix of delerium's "silence" was the track that got him worldwide fame and to to call it "gay" just shows that shit got to his head waaay too much ok and heres the fun part.. the NOW tiesto which i've been noticing, his recent sets has been filled with "gay trance", releases(or will release should i say..) a double disc compilation thats most definately trance-oriented(on both discs)
and even produced a new track which if you ask me its fucking epic trance which has a similar title name as "ligaya" "nyana"...i mean, i thought his sound doesnt match the gouryella sound anymore? why is he producing 99 tiesto-ish trance? if this was the case, why leave gouryella in the first place? honestly i like the new track nyana and i have nothing against his producing skills.. its the MAN im questioning about thanx for reading thru my frustration ppl, peace

you are absolutely right.

And Tiesto is not the only one to diss Trance. PvD disses it, Digweed disses it...

"without it sounding so gay" - eh, that's Tiesto for you?
The Trance Master?
Tell you what... the MAN is gay

I love trance, but sometimes even the songs that I like tend to sound like elevator music with a beat.

My opinion of Tiesto, especially given what you've written? Great producer, not a doubt about that, but not that great of a person.

Soon enough he'll be flying downhill like Oakie in the wake of fame. I respect him for his productions, sure, but I also consider an artist's integrity in acting as a figurehead for the music, something I feel Tiesto isn't too great at.

LOL HAHAHAHA

I think this is carrying on too far. Although you are right in the fact that the latest album has some of the trance-friendlier tunes, it still has the unmistakable Tiesto sound. Something that Tiesto was able to do, that one-dimensional dj's like AvB and Ferry Corsten could not, is mix his interpretation of trance music and add variety, depth and color. His sets have wide ranges of sounds while still all carrying the vibe and character of Tiesto himself.

As for his reference to "gay" trance, I would think we would know what he meant by it. I'm not going to pretend that I knew exactly what he meant but I will assume that he was referring to the cheezy, formulaic trance that fills the recordstores lately. The air of almost "euro-disco-trance" that died long ago is an older generation sound and is "happy" music.

If anything, Tiesto's sound HAS changed. He is deeper and darker, yet still holds trance elements in his music. His sound is definitely not compatible with Gouryella now. And it is good that he has moved on. I'm not sure if I would question his commitment to the genre as I hear he is a tireless worker and dedicated to the music. So if you give him a little bit of credit, then maybe what he said is being taken out of context?

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Originally posted by [DOH]DJPremier I think this is carrying on too far. Although you are right in the fact that the latest album has some of the trance-friendlier tunes, it still has the unmistakable Tiesto sound. Something that Tiesto was able to do, that one-dimensional dj's like AvB and Ferry Corsten could not, is mix his interpretation of trance music and add variety, depth and color. His sets have wide ranges of sounds while still all carrying the vibe and character of Tiesto himself. As for his reference to "gay" trance, I would think we would know what he meant by it. I'm not going to pretend that I knew exactly what he meant but I will assume that he was referring to the cheezy, formulaic trance that fills the recordstores lately. The air of almost "euro-disco-trance" that died long ago is an older generation sound and is "happy" music. If anything, Tiesto's sound HAS changed. He is deeper and darker, yet still holds trance elements in his music. His sound is definitely not compatible with Gouryella now. And it is good that he has moved on. I'm not sure if I would question his commitment to the genre as I hear he is a tireless worker and dedicated to the music. So if you give him a little bit of credit, then maybe what he said is being taken out of context?

your speaking as a fan.. which is biased.. im a fan myself + has suppoted tiesto & his sound thru the years.. and i dont know how much effort u put on reading my post cuz it seems like you didnt get my point.. im not questioning his skills nor his versataility, what im sayin is, DONT DISS something if your gonna still represent it.

Wow...a whole tirade on Tiesto bashing trance, despite the fact that he never actually dissed trance at all

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djs are finding new ways to produce trance music without it sounding so gay

Translation into laymens' terms: DJs are still producing trance but they're now discovering ways to leave the cheeze factor out.

Which is good, because he's saying it's now possible to produce trance with all its good points, minus the "kick-BASS-kick-BASS" and "dink-dink-dink de-dink dink-dink" clich�s. In other words, he's saying that trance is evolving. Not dying, but evolving.

p.s. I'll blame him on this: I hate it when people use names of marginalized groups (i.e. gay) to describe something they don't like.

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Originally posted by Taz p.s. I'll blame him on this: I hate it when people use names of marginalized groups (i.e. gay) to describe something they don't like.

Yeah, that irritates the hell out of me, especially coming from someone in the public light.

couldn't agree more

I agree with Tiesto.

Personally I never attacked Tiesto for experimenting with new styles and stuff. Thats actually great of him to take the risk of diversifying his performances, even though it turned out everybody hated him.

Anyway back on topic. I think he left Gouryella at the time because at that time he decided that he was going to experiment and therefore didnt think he would be able to live up to the Gouryella standard if he didnt quit. Now I assume he's done with "experimentation" and is back to where he belongs. However, I still dont think his new sound right now fits Gouryella anyway. Its a good idea that he quit Gouryella and discontinued Magik, because he's saving himself from releasing unworthy music.

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I luv all of tiesto's production, imo...whenever he comes up with a new style in his tunes, he always succeeds which is awesome..
top djs are free to do whatever they want i believe..specially tiesto..u cant compare him to any other dj no matter what..

well maybe tiesto wanted to switch for a little while so that his fans would miss his old style, then switch back to it for some excitement and money (im being kinda sarcastic)

I've always agreed with tiesto about the idea of producing different stuff...and hez always been sensational!

i dont really believe he meant that old trance or his own old remixes are gay...producing same stuff over and over again IS gay..

The king will remain a king and shall do whatever he pleases

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djs are finding new ways to produce trance music without it sounding so gay

i think he meant an "so cheerful or over melodious track" and not an "pansy" song how some could to think, cos was what got him well known. he couldn't flame himself.....

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Originally posted by Eugene Tell you what... the MAN is gay

yup.. anyone that uses lines from "Dune" about the "spice Menage" in his past sets...

should be considered...

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'gay.'

i disagree with 'trance music made him what he was today'

he took HIMSELF to where he is today, and trance was just along for the ride.

6 months ago people were saying, 'oh he's going to become oakenfold and just go down hill now'. wake up, 6 months on and he's caining out awesome productions and remixes and will absolutely own up with his nyana compilation.

just keep on hatin, and some of us lucky few will still be here, listenin to tiesto's work. you're only depriving yourself.

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Originally posted by dj tek ok heres the thing.. tiesto obviously is a very talented producer and a dj

i was about to make a comment on this but i can see you have worded that sentance JUST right

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Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer i was about to make a comment on this but i can see you have worded that sentance JUST right

LOL! although i disagree!

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Originally posted by skip LOL! although i disagree!

im not sure dj tiestos inability to beatmatch is open to opinion

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Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer im not sure dj tiestos inability to beatmatch is open to opinion

well, i have seen hime live only once and heard some (about 5) livesets and of course many cds. and based on that i'd say he's a very good dj. maybe he isn't really that good, but i don't care, i think he rules!

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Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer i was about to make a comment on this but i can see you have worded that sentance JUST right

lol.. originally i was gonna say very talented producer and a mediocre dj but i decided to give the man a break.. and besides, the fact that he still has trouble beatmatching after 10+ years of djing wasnt the point i wanted to make.

Tiesto is without a doubt the worldwide ambassador of trance right now and whatever he does is very influential in the global trance and electronic dance music scene. Tiesto is also the most "artsy"-oriented of all the superstar djs and he's always trying to distinguish himself from the more banal sounds of the other trance djs.

Throughout his ongoing evolution as an artist, he went through a radical phase of experimentation in 2001-2002 which was in part a reaction to the superficiality of most trance tracks being made as of late. The old formula of Dutch trance was just simply obsolete and completely irrelevant as an 'art-form'. So he decided to leave the oversaturated field of mundane hands-in-the-air fluffy anthems to the lesser and as someone said, one-dimensional djs (Armin and Ferry). When Tiesto talked about trance sounding 'gay', he was talking about this kind of trance that is known for 'trying' to preserve the magik of '99 but the end-product was just a formulaic contrived melody that if promoted would kill trance's position as one of EDM's leading genre (example- Driftwood-Freeloader).

So he decided to experiment with different sounds such as prog and techno and breaks and even latin tribal tech . Sometimes his experiments sounded awkward and didn't seem to work right, but after a while, he got the hang of it and everyone else was following his lead. One of the turning points that mark his newly found diverse style would be his Impulz 2002 set. Just remember how beautiful and original the transition between Umek-Lanicor and Tiesto-In My Memory (Airwave remix i think) came out. The cadential overtones and contrasts he used were pure genius!

Now in early 2003, we can say that the radical experimental phase in Tiesto's career is finally over and he has settled down with this extremely sophisticated style that more people are understanding every day. First let's talk about production: If you think Nyana and his latest productions sound 99ish you might be right but you're missing half of the point. Tiesto is indeed evoking the old-school sound of 1998-99. However, these tracks are all fusions of Tiesto's recent experiments. You can tell by the banging tech feel and prog feel in the broad scope of these new productions.

In terms of his mixing and set structuring I'm even more amazed at how Tiesto has evolved as an artist. Yeah, his sound got more melodic in his latest mp3 "livesets", but you need to see him live for a good 3-4 hours to understand what he's really doing right now. When I saw him last week for the 4th time in 2003 he started with his characteristic melodic prog, went on to play quality trance, then moved on to play over an hour of the sickest techno and he made the place so HOT it was unbearable. His sets this year have an awesome flow that was missing last year, and he has managed to achieve this flow while still playing very diverse and contrasting sets. He's definitely not playing right now any of the fluffy and superficial tracks that he rejected last year in his experimental phase. Only quality if you ask me, sometimes he plays like one cheesy track such as The Opera Song(always the Magik Muzik remix though, and lately the dub). However, this is the same Tiesto as before. He's known for melody, and he will continue to center his sets around quality and uncontrived melodies, whether they are trance, prog or minimal tech.

Tiesto is an amazing DJ in terms of set structure and transition-wise, regardless of his poor beatmatching abilities (which are somewhat overstated). The thing is, there is much more to DJing than beatmatching. Tiesto is the best mixer in trance in MUSICAL terms, because: he has a broad understanding of cadential counterpoints, which means that he knows how to harmonically connect two tracks in the most tasteful way possible. His interweaving of melodies is actually very complex, but you would have to know a thing or two about music theory to understand this. This is the reason I was initially drawn to Tiesto's sets back in 1998 and is still pretty much the only one that doesn't bore me to death (like those djs that only care about beatmatching). In terms of structure, I really believe that he has the most creativity and best ability to make a whole set flow into an uplifting experience. The truth is that he sometimes cares more and other times not as much, but he is NEVER random and every mix he makes has some sort of rationale behind it. I hope you agree with me that no other Dutch trance dj has achieved to make a set as uplifting as those classics- Innercity 99, Energy 2000 etc. He hasn't lost it either, as many recent sets are just as euphorically uplifting (ie. Impulz 2002, GLobal Broadcast 4-20-2003).

Oh well, these are my 2 cents about Tiesto. Peace.

great post

i've always said that trance was almost starting to lose its way. it became riddled with hard trance elements (or cheese :P) and then there was the big shift to progressive too. my staying point has been that that one person to lead trance is tiesto. pvd, armin, ferry, they all have their place, but in terms of a production and djing (which functions as promotional trance to the masses of uneducated (and educated) clubbers and ravers) tiesto is simply the person to lead the way.

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