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Will Bush get reelected?

I am curious to see, even though it is premature, whether everyone thinks Bush will get reelected or not.

Keep in mind, this is what you think will happen, not what you want to happen.

Will the rift between the conservatives become too much?

Will another International Crisis be drummed up into another "Don't be unpatriotic, support the president" routine?

Will Bush's tax cuts stimulate the economy enough?

Will the increased threat of US intervention bring about successful change in the Middle East and North Korea?

Will the patriot act prove to be too unconstitutional?

Will the droves of sheep hearded by Fox News and the likes become too numerous to defeat Bush?

Will the vote even matter this time?

Some questions to consider...

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Originally posted by cougar23 I am curious to see, even though it is premature, whether everyone thinks Bush will get reelected or not. Keep in mind, this is what you think will happen, not what you want to happen.

alright, i will take a shot.

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Originally posted by cougar23 Will the rift between the conservatives become too much?

no, i think the PNAC will hold together.

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Originally posted by cougar23 Will another International Crisis be drummed up into another "Don't be unpatriotic, support the president" routine?

most likely.

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Originally posted by cougar23 Will Bush's tax cuts stimulate the economy enough?

only the very rich of course, this will stimulate the economy. but the average american who get's little to nothing of the tax cut will still be unsatisfied with the economy, even though the big banks, technology companies, weapons contractors etc will be making money, and the US dollar will probably strengthen. Therefore, i don't think he is likely to vote for bush unless he is making over $100,000 a year.

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Originally posted by cougar23 Will the increased threat of US intervention bring about successful change in the Middle East and North Korea?

define successful. successful for the PNAC, bush and his oil buddies, and McDonnell Douglas? yes. Successful for the people of the middle east and North Korea? no.

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Originally posted by cougar23 Will the patriot act prove to be too unconstitutional?

probably. but so is the RAVE act. so is the first patriot act. so is the DCMA. So is the entire Homeland Security Department.

but i don't think that makes a difference, it will become law anyway.

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Originally posted by cougar23 Will the droves of sheep hearded by Fox News and the likes become too numerous to defeat Bush?

possibly.

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Originally posted by cougar23 Will the vote even matter this time?

I'm not sure. He barely one it last time. and this time, he's made a fool of himself. then again, a large number of americans are happy to see people in turbans being blown up, so he might do well. Maybe he will pull a saddamn and just declare that he got 100% of the votes and dare anyone to challenge him.

- My prediction .. tan tan tan tan .. Mmm NOOOO! ( I HOPE SO TOO )
We can see the signs today, as a representative for the Republican party sent out "memos" to all the Republican leaders, governors and representatives, to be cautious, as he forsees the acceptance of Bush which as currently at the high 60% and low 70% to drop considerably.
And, I think there's alot more involved in between.

He's not getting my vote. At no time during his term has he shown me that he is a worthy leader.

Well, for a fact I would not vote for him again.

It is possible that he could get re-elected, but only if he doesn't follow the mistake his father did 12 years ago. His father was very popular after the Gulf War, yet he lost the 1992 election due to his lack of work on the economy and environment.

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Originally posted by cougar23 I am curious to see, even though it is premature, whether everyone thinks Bush will get reelected or not. Keep in mind, this is what you think will happen, not what you want to happen.

I expect him to get reelected at this point. His approval rating is high, and the slate of democratic challengers appears weak at this juncture.

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Will the rift between the conservatives become too much?

No. Conservaties, more so than liberals, have the uncanny ability to ignore the obvious and simply declare faith in an individual, such as Bush. That's what I'm observing right now.

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Will another International Crisis be drummed up into another "Don't be unpatriotic, support the president" routine?

I wouldn't be surprised. Alternately, this current one may simply be extended.

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Will Bush's tax cuts stimulate the economy enough?

Not unless he takes a harder stance on corporate fraud. Investor confidence is as low as it's been since the depression, and no amount of tax cuts is going to change that.

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Will the increased threat of US intervention bring about successful change in the Middle East and North Korea?

Unlikely. The administration has already shown their lack of a clear and coherent post war plan in Iraq, and the results are potentially disastrous. I have no reason to believe they would do better elsewhere.

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Will the patriot act prove to be too unconstitutional?

There's no question it's too unconstitutional. The question is whether a corrupt supreme court will choose to recognize that obvious fact.

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Will the droves of sheep hearded by Fox News and the likes become too numerous to defeat Bush?

This problem isn't new, the road to the presidency has always been demagoguery.

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Will the vote even matter this time?

The vote will matter as to who gets to be the figurehead of the demopublican party, but it will have minimal effect on actual policy.

I think he will but I dont think he should.

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I guess it's not fair for me not to answer these questions, so here goes:

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Originally posted by cougar23 Will the rift between the conservatives become too much?

I think there is some chance of this happening, although not as dramatically as I would like it to be. The stakes are very high right now, as we are virtually unopposed economically and militarily. Control over this country in the next election will be VERY competitive. Traditional conservatives, however, supported Bush in the first election, given his tame rhetoric on the Middle East and his suggestions that America's days of international meddling were waning. I know a handful of conservatives that are furious at Bush for the way his administration has acted over this war. If the economy doesn't pick up soon (which I don't think it will), I think it can only widen this rift, thus endangering Bush's reelection.

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Will another International Crisis be drummed up into another "Don't be unpatriotic, support the president" routine?

This could be politically risky. The US is already treading on thin diplomatic ice with many countries that we should be allies with. However, this will surely not dissuade the PNAC from trying. Another "conflict" under false pretenses may just rip the thin threads of diplomacy we have holding things together. The American public is very sensitive to the issue of being "liked." They were willing to put up with it for Iraq, as we have had years and years of anti-Saddam propaganda pumped into us, but without that strong propaganda base, a conflict with anyone but North Korea could be widely unpopular. And North Korea is VERY risky.

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Will Bush's tax cuts stimulate the economy enough?

Will monkey's fly out of my butt while riding on a flying pig right after a snowball fight in hell?

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Will the increased threat of US intervention bring about successful change in the Middle East and North Korea?

It is very unlikely. The threat of the US only angers people more, leaders and citizens alike. While this may drive anti-American rhetoric somewhat underground, it will only work to increase the hatred in foreign eyes.

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Will the patriot act prove to be too unconstitutional?

This one may hurt Bush the most. If it's one thing conservatives hate, it's the government interfering with their lives. If it's one thing Democrats hate, it's the government spying on them, trampling over the constitution and abusing its powers. This one is a lose/lose situation.

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Will the droves of sheep hearded by Fox News and the likes become too numerous to defeat Bush?

I hope not. If they do, there's always Canada!

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Will the vote even matter this time?

While the 2000 election was beyond questionnable, I think it raised alot of warning flags, and there are many more people looking out for the election fraud that occurred in 2000. This will not stop people from trying, but any shenanigans the Bush administration tries to pull this time will be heavily scrutinized.

Overall, I hope for the fairest, most democratic election yet. I am doubtful, however, that this will be the case.

I despise Bush, but I had to vote yes in the poll. There was a point where I had faith in the average American voter, and then, after everything was already going to hell, the republicans not only held onto seats, but gained them in the 2002 elections, giving Bush even more power...that election alone was enough to make me shake my head.

I'm not in the mood to go into a lengthy analysis that some on here have already conjured up, but I think it's enough to say that unless something amazing happens the republicans are going to be dictating national policy for some time to come. Their "You're with us or against the country" and similar tactics seem to have struck a chord with the average american for one reason or other...maybe Joe Six Pack will see the light in 2004 and shock me, but I'm definitely not holding my breath...

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Originally posted by CortexBomb I despise Bush, but I had to vote yes in the poll. There was a point where I had faith in the average American voter, and then, after everything was already going to hell, the republicans not only held onto seats, but gained them in the 2002 elections, giving Bush even more power...that election alone was enough to make me shake my head. I'm not in the mood to go into a lengthy analysis that some on here have already conjured up, but I think it's enough to say that unless something amazing happens the republicans are going to be dictating national policy for some time to come. Their "You're with us or against the country" and similar tactics seem to have struck a chord with the average american for one reason or other...maybe Joe Six Pack will see the light in 2004 and shock me, but I'm definitely not holding my breath...

Ah yes ... that's how I got through college, the stupidity of the masses shall render my grades superior . But seriously ... the average ANYBODY across the world are ultimately easily manipulated, simple minded idiots. It's one of the fears that I have about democracy ...

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Originally posted by occrider the average ANYBODY across the world are ultimately easily manipulated, simple minded idiots. It's one of the fears that I have about democracy ...

I concur. The worst part about it is, many people simply don't want to know, as it hurts their brain to think about it. The majority of my friends will often tell me to just shut up about something, and say the old, "It's good that you care, Johnny, but I just don't want to think about it" line.

Avoiding political realities is the single, most alarming threat to democracy today! But that's why I like this board. No matter what your views on here, at least everyone here has the courage and mental capacity to think about it. That's a step up from alot of people in this world...

If god exists, god should be president of the United States. He/She/It seems like He/She/It would be a just and prudent leader. In addition, god is someone/something that everyone can identify with or parish at a flick of god's fingers trying to oppose. In a state of panic, god won't get flustered. Chances are, god knows what to do and what the outcome will be. Also, god has an amazing personality and good looks. Foreign officials would just immediately fall under his/her/it's graces. Ladies and Gentlemen of the US, I propose to you my canidate for the 2004 presidential election, God.

PS- I hope separation of church and state won't be an issue brought up in the debates because I think I have the right person/thing for the job.

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Originally posted by occrider But seriously ... the average ANYBODY across the world are ultimately easily manipulated, simple minded idiots. It's one of the fears that I have about democracy ...

Well, Hitler won the democratic elections, didn't he? Anyway, the big lack of interest for international politics and a lack of knowledge in basic geography that is present in the US today is a pretty good start for the fall of the democracy. Let's hope the situation changes and people start thinking with their own heads.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Well, Hitler won the democratic elections, didn't he? Anyway, the big lack of interest for international politics and a lack of knowledge in basic geography that is present in the US today is a pretty good start for the fall of the democracy. Let's hope the situation changes and people start thinking with their own heads.

Sort of, the NSDAP won the popular election but Hitler gained power essentially via a coup after President Hindenburg died.

I agree that when you look at some of the people who've been elected over the years by the masses the philosophy of people like Nietzsche sadly starts to sound more like the fumings of a stark realist (scary comment given his conceited ramblings late in life!) as opposed to a pernicious old man.

At one point I thought the solution to the problems of democracy would be a modernization of democracy to the point of having a true *direct* democracy ala Athens, but the more I talk to people the more I realize that the apathy of the average person would kill anything resembling that in short order.

Average people *don't* want to think about politics, the average person doesn't seem to want to think at all. People by and large seem to be content living day to day without thinking about anything beyond their own personal goals and realities.

That's all fine and good on a micro scale, but it definitely can make democratic elections and popular opinions a little scary, and easily manipulated.

Better solutions, man, good luck, everything to date that's been tried on a large scale seems to have been fucked up good and proper by someone along the way.

I sometimes wonder if trying to micro size governments again into that initial city state model wouldn't be the solution to fixing apathy. If your vote actually mattered, and if you saw immediate results I think the incentive would certainly be higher to care.

Of course, that opens a whole new can of worms (ie: what is the role of a federal government at that point? How can you give cities powers without weakening your defence mechanisms? and so on...) but I think something drastic is neccessary to wake people back up. What we have right now is a critical mass of apathy.

he wont

americas not THAT stupid

i actually dont think that he will.

im not really sure why, because it could easily go either way. i just think that giving him another year to fuck things up will only hurt his chances by 2004.

personally i was more worried he was gonna continue this Iraq bullshit until the election so he could ride those coattails. but then again maybe i spoke too soon...theres always a country thats in need of a good coup detat somewhere...right?

i do think this next election will show us something tho. because just as many 'Joe Six Packs' exist, and just as easily as people can be brainwashed(convinced) theres always a place for corruption in democracy. maybe we can see how well Bush is tied up! maybe not|

i think maybe we need to wait to see the other candidates..everyone thought bush sr would get reelected anyways he aint getting my vote..not a good thing happened in his presidency..economic ressesion..lack of jobs..being the most hated country in the world...bullshit war..havent seen anything good out of him.

I voted no for the apparent reasons: failed economic stimulation and bad foreign policy.

Of course things could change drastically over the coming months...

I have a question that I'm sure some of you could answer for me. Let's assume for a moment that the Democrats win the next election, what kind of changes would they bring in?

Slightly off topic. My provincial government here in Alberta has a neat trick to win elections. Last time, they had absolutely no platform and were passing legislation that was being strongly opposed and protested. Instead of trusting the people to choose their leaders, they used a budget surplus to pay out gas rebates to everyone over 16 years of age. Their justification was that since utility prices were so high, they would give us a hand by giving us all $300. Funny how it came just before election time...

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Originally posted by Photo_bot_2k1 he wont americas not THAT stupid

- They made the Republicans gain control power and... give Bush a high rating for his "exellent" job.. mmm .. although, AMEN to your words.

I hope that Bush isn't re-elected, but I'd rather see him in office than Joe Lieberman or Colin Powell.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 I hope that Bush isn't re-elected, but I'd rather see him in office than Joe Lieberman or Colin Powell.

Well, if you ask me personally, I'd rather have ALF as the president that that traitor Bush. ALF is smarter, more charismatic, and less likely to start World War III. And he doesn't look and sound like the angel of death when speaking.

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Originally posted by cougar23 Well, if you ask me personally, I'd rather have ALF as the president that that traitor Bush. ALF is smarter, more charismatic, and less likely to start World War III. And he doesn't look and sound like the angel of death when speaking.

Who would make a better president: Bush or a box of Tic-Tacs?

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Originally posted by cougar23 Well, if you ask me personally, I'd rather have ALF as the president that that traitor Bush. ALF is smarter, more charismatic, and less likely to start World War III. And he doesn't look and sound like the angel of death when speaking.

But what about the cats??

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 I hope that Bush isn't re-elected, but I'd rather see him in office than Joe Lieberman or Colin Powell.

Colin Powell is not even running for president, sorry but, wat are you on?!?!

Anyways, Richard Gephard is doing it for me at the moment, I don't know.. but by what I seem so far, I would cast my vote on him .

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Originally posted by Arbiter Who would make a better president: Bush or a box of Tic-Tacs?

Tic Tacs by far

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